ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Goner5 wrote:

If vpns and anonymous proxies are blocked; ban evasion will be cut down and give the ST easier work. You could argue that innocent bans could happen, but they can just submit a contact us and get unblocked.

Also, contact us is really tedious as you have to kinda type in what issue you're having…

Goner5 wrote:

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure.

Ah yes, just go to a https site that someone else lured you in, really good idea…

Also, look here;

blablablahello wrote:

In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Queen of the page

ajskateboarder wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

You’re more than allowed to link Scratcher made websites

What about this has to do with blocking ban evasion?
Sure you can link Scratcher-made websites, but there are very few of these sites which grab your IP and make it available to the public

I believe its fairly easy, especially with Django and Node, to get a users ip address, which is even easier given how many Scratchers write their own sites.

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

^
No support

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

You’re more than allowed to link Scratcher made websites

What about this has to do with blocking ban evasion?
Sure you can link Scratcher-made websites, but there are very few of these sites which grab your IP and make it available to the public

I believe its fairly easy, especially with Django and Node, to get a users ip address, which is even easier given how many Scratchers write their own sites.

Agreed, you can probably be on a HTTPS: site and still get your IP grabbed, though rarely!

Before anyone says “That's a small chance!!”: SMALL CHANCE ≠ IMPOSSIBLE

warriorcats2155 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Okay, you guys do have a good point. But still, users could just whitelist Scratch in their VPN.

ajskateboarder wrote:

warriorcats2155 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Okay, you guys do have a good point. But still, users could just whitelist Scratch in their VPN.

Not all VPN’s allow that, though.

https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/663280/ Looks like a similar topic, Idk if it's a dupe though

supergamer10000 wrote:

INSERT-USER_NAME wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

I agree with this.

I'm pretty sure most VPN's have a whitelist feature where you can whitelist a specific website from going through the vpn.

I'm supporting the idea at this stage.

Yeah, my VPN doesn't have that… So, I am not going to assume that all VPNs have that…

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/663280/ Looks like a similar topic, Idk if it's a dupe though

It's not a dupe, but pretty similar topics. Could just combine the two topics

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

^
No support

You didn't read the other posts in the topic. I said ban or blacklist. Blacklisting a ip will not get their account banned

warriorcats2155 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Scratch doesn't allow the use of ip grabber websites anyways. Ip grabber, link shortener links are already banned and in the filterbot.

warriorcats2155 wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

If vpns and anonymous proxies are blocked; ban evasion will be cut down and give the ST easier work. You could argue that innocent bans could happen, but they can just submit a contact us and get unblocked.

Also, contact us is really tedious as you have to kinda type in what issue you're having…

You're too lazy to write 1 sentence? Besides, it'll just not allow you to use the site; you can still use vpns

Goner5 wrote:

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

^
No support

You didn't read the other posts in the topic. I said ban or blacklist. Blacklisting a ip will not get their account banned

You said in the OP, that they’d need to use contact us, inferring a ban, right?

Goner5 wrote:

warriorcats2155 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Scratch doesn't allow the use of ip grabber websites anyways. Ip grabber, link shortener links are already banned and in the filterbot.

Does that stop me from implementing it on my site, which i can link?

Goner5 wrote:

warriorcats2155 wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

If vpns and anonymous proxies are blocked; ban evasion will be cut down and give the ST easier work. You could argue that innocent bans could happen, but they can just submit a contact us and get unblocked.

Also, contact us is really tedious as you have to kinda type in what issue you're having…

You're too lazy to write 1 sentence? Besides, it'll just not allow you to use the site; you can still use vpns

Why ban users? The topic already linked may work better, as it gives a chance for the user to not use the VPN and not be banned, and only goes into effect in one way, if the ip has been banned.

Goner5 wrote:

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/663280/ Looks like a similar topic, Idk if it's a dupe though

It's not a dupe, but pretty similar topics. Could just combine the two topics

Maybe

Goner5 wrote:

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

^
No support

You didn't read the other posts in the topic. I said ban or blacklist. Blacklisting a ip will not get their account banned

I still think it's a bad idea, and

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

-snip-
You said in the OP, that they’d need to use contact us, inferring a ban, right?
-cut-

Caroix wrote:

This suggestion is rejected.

11.1 Blacklisting IP
It's a horrible suggestion. It would just block the problem instead of actually doing anything. Also what if someone uses VPN and get banned accidentally? Contact us takes weeks.

Rejections can only be made by Scratch Team

I am also going to remind everyone the ST has already blocked a ton of VPN ips. I think the “ip grabbing” issue is the only valid issue; but that can be solved by not allowing those links on scratch;

Caroix wrote:

This suggestion is rejected.

11.1 Blacklisting IP
It's a horrible suggestion. It would just block the problem instead of actually doing anything. Also what if someone uses VPN and get banned accidentally? Contact us takes weeks.

You can't do that. Only a ST member can; and clearly I should state it should be a BLACKLIST, not a BAN. You will immidiately be allowed back if you turn off the vpn.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

qwerty_wasd_gone wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

^
No support

You didn't read the other posts in the topic. I said ban or blacklist. Blacklisting a ip will not get their account banned

You said in the OP, that they’d need to use contact us, inferring a ban, right?

I was too busy to change the OP. I will change it now. It should be a blacklist; not a ban.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

warriorcats2155 wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

The point is – VPNs can be used to prevent such event of grabbing an IP, and as such should not be blacklisted.

Scratch doesn't allow the use of ip grabber websites anyways. Ip grabber, link shortener links are already banned and in the filterbot.

Does that stop me from implementing it on my site, which i can link?

No it does not. But, since you have done so, that site cannot be linked on scratch

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

warriorcats2155 wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

If vpns and anonymous proxies are blocked; ban evasion will be cut down and give the ST easier work. You could argue that innocent bans could happen, but they can just submit a contact us and get unblocked.

Also, contact us is really tedious as you have to kinda type in what issue you're having…

You're too lazy to write 1 sentence? Besides, it'll just not allow you to use the site; you can still use vpns

Why ban users? The topic already linked may work better, as it gives a chance for the user to not use the VPN and not be banned, and only goes into effect in one way, if the ip has been banned.

I said either ban or blacklist in the past. I am changing it into blacklist

Infringing on every Scratcher's privacy is clearly worth it in exchange to ban a very small minority of people that ban evade (who are based and have done nothing wrong)

SavetheAtlantic wrote:

Infringing on every Scratcher's privacy is clearly worth it in exchange to ban a very small minority of people that ban evade (who are based and have done nothing wrong)

ok actually good point

Blocking ban evasion is not possible.
Scratch Teams should temporarily close this topic:
1. Paddle2See (4 weeks)
2. ScratchCat (3 weeks)

humaymammadly wrote:

Blocking ban evasion is not possible.
Scratch Teams should temporarily close this topic:
1. Paddle2See (4 weeks)
2. ScratchCat (3 weeks)

…?

What reasoning do you have of this? And why does my topic need to be “temporarily closed”?

If it's rejected; It stays closed. If it's not something they're focused on; it'll stay open. If it's accepted, the topic will also be permamently closed

And why do different scratch team members have “4 weeks” and “3 weeks” in your post?

SavetheAtlantic wrote:

Infringing on every Scratcher's privacy is clearly worth it in exchange to ban a very small minority of people that ban evade (who are based and have done nothing wrong)

Some parents may as well protest against scratch if that suggestion gets implemented

Also infringing on privacy would probably be against the laws so… Scratch becomes a 13/18+ site or is taken down

warriorcats2155 wrote:

Also infringing on privacy would probably be against the laws so… Scratch becomes a 13/18+ site or is taken down

Collecting IPs is not against COPPA, but it is definitely an infringment