The website https://iphub.info/ has a API to check if a user is using a VPN;

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure, just don't download suspicious stuff, click on random unsafe websites, etc. You can easily stay safe on the internet without a vpn.

I understand there are malicious sites that can grab ips and information. But those links will be blocked anyways on scratch.

If vpns and anonymous proxies are blacklisted; ban evasion will be cut down and give the ST easier work.

Goner5 wrote:

You could argue that innocent bans could happen, but they can just submit a contact us and get unblocked.

Contact Us is a little inefficient at the moment,
(takes several weeks to reply from experience)
so that would probably be annoying for people who got banned for accidentally using a VPN

Other than that, I support this. There is basically no use for a VPN besides anonymity. IDK how Scratch would detect self-hosted stuff like torproxy, but a ban on popular VPNs is a start

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Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

I agree with this.

I know i use a VPN for non-malicious purposes. As does most VPN users.
So, rather than banning VPN’s, how about we not block it?

Goner5 wrote:

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure.

You may say people take cold medicine for getting better, but this is a big fat lie from pharmacies. Just wait it out.

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Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

I agree with this.

I'm pretty sure most VPN's have a whitelist feature where you can whitelist a specific website from going through the vpn.

I'm supporting the idea at this stage.

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

or we could just blacklist the site from being used if a vpn is used, no need for a ban

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

I know i use a VPN for non-malicious purposes. As does most VPN users.
So, rather than banning VPN’s, how about we not block it?

Goner5 wrote:

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure.

You may say people take cold medicine for getting better, but this is a big fat lie from pharmacies. Just wait it out.

But a VPN isn't cold medicine. It's one of those miracle oils that do nothing for you. All it does is change your ip to something else;

And I've found VPNs and proxies to be used more for malicious purposes than normal use

Goner5 wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

or we could just blacklist the site from being used if a vpn is used, no need for a ban

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

I know i use a VPN for non-malicious purposes. As does most VPN users.
So, rather than banning VPN’s, how about we not block it?

Goner5 wrote:

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure.

You may say people take cold medicine for getting better, but this is a big fat lie from pharmacies. Just wait it out.

But a VPN isn't cold medicine. It's one of those miracle oils that do nothing for you. All it does is change your ip to something else;

And I've found VPNs and proxies to be used more for malicious purposes than normal use

Doesn’t mean you should block all VPNs.

Goner5 wrote:

Caroix wrote:

Huh. You realize that people might use VPNs for other things and then then leave it on when they are done with their previous thing and get banned for no reason?

or we could just blacklist the site from being used if a vpn is used, no need for a ban

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

I know i use a VPN for non-malicious purposes. As does most VPN users.
So, rather than banning VPN’s, how about we not block it?

Goner5 wrote:

One could say some users use vpns for security; but that is a big fat lie among vpn companies; all you need is a website to be on HTTPS; therefore meaning your site is secure.

You may say people take cold medicine for getting better, but this is a big fat lie from pharmacies. Just wait it out.

But a VPN isn't cold medicine. It's one of those miracle oils that do nothing for you. All it does is change your ip to something else;

And I've found VPNs and proxies to be used more for malicious purposes than normal use

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP adress” on google to find out what IP you have!

Edit: On the otherhand, Roblox should be using this

Even more, the website seems to identify VPNs/Proxies via seeing if they are residential IPs, which means any public network would most likely also be blocked (no more McDonalds WIFI). I believe this could also mean that if you have a small proxy server thats not in a datacenter and stuff, it could bypass this thing.

I can't believe it

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP adress” on google to find out what IP you have!

That's crazy, it's not like this is irrelevant information.

blablablahello wrote:

Even more, the website seems to identify VPNs/Proxies via seeing if they are residential IPs, which means any public network would most likely also be blocked (no more McDonalds WIFI).

blablablahello wrote:

I believe this could also mean that if you have a small proxy server thats not in a datacenter and stuff, it could bypass this thing.

You can also contact your ISP or reset your router to change your IP; which a mere child trying to ban evade usually won't be able to do; It's also tedious to be resetting their router every few minutes after getting IP banned.

Besides; which type of 12 year old scratcher is going to have a mini proxy server in their house so they can abuse it to spam innapropriate words on a children's programming platform; And if it was a adult doing it it would be really immature and stupid.

Goner5 wrote:

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That's crazy, it's not like this is irrelevant information.

Fun fact: some people dont want others knowing that IP that easily

Goner5 wrote:

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ok bad example but like
no more public internet still (idk if schools would be considered a “VPN” since idk they might have multiple servers)

Goner5 wrote:

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You can also contact your ISP or reset your router to change your IP; which a mere child trying to ban evade usually won't be able to do; It's also tedious to be resetting their router every few minutes after getting IP banned.

Besides; which type of 12 year old scratcher is going to have a mini proxy server in their house so they can abuse it to spam innapropriate words on a children's programming platform; And if it was a adult doing it it would be really immature and stupid.

And I believe it is indeed these immature and stupid adults who seem to be causing the most trouble…

(And yes, I personally know atleast 1 person child with a silly proxy set up just to play minecraft)

blablablahello wrote:

Goner5 wrote:

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That's crazy, it's not like this is irrelevant information.

Fun fact: some people dont want others knowing that IP that easily

Goner5 wrote:

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ok bad example but like
no more public internet still (idk if schools would be considered a “VPN” since idk they might have multiple servers)

Goner5 wrote:

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You can also contact your ISP or reset your router to change your IP; which a mere child trying to ban evade usually won't be able to do; It's also tedious to be resetting their router every few minutes after getting IP banned.

Besides; which type of 12 year old scratcher is going to have a mini proxy server in their house so they can abuse it to spam innapropriate words on a children's programming platform; And if it was a adult doing it it would be really immature and stupid.

And I believe it is indeed these immature and stupid adults who seem to be causing the most trouble…

(And yes, I personally know atleast 1 person child with a silly proxy set up just to play minecraft)

No. Adults are too mature to spam a children's programming site. I've only seen children ban evade and spam

Goner5 wrote:

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No. Adults are too mature to spam a children's programming site. I've only seen children ban evade and spam

Well you see either its a dumb immature adult or a really dedicated child who spent time cropping innapropriate images and spent many efforts to ban evade : P

(and also the adults that, well, isn't very appropriate and stuff)

Man id tell you about adults being immature but then I cant cuz its not very appropriate

Goner5 wrote:

But a VPN isn't cold medicine. It's one of those miracle oils that do nothing for you. All it does is change your ip to something else;

And I've found VPNs and proxies to be used more for malicious purposes than normal use

Then, go send big companies and suspicious sites you may be on your IP address.

Also, I’ve found phones to be incredibly malicious. Source: Trust me bro!

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

^^

No support for this reason above

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

You’re more than allowed to link Scratcher made websites

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

blablablahello wrote:

Fun fact: Grabbing someone's IP is as simply as luring them onto a website. The website can be completely legit and everything, and you can still grab people's IP. In fact, you can search “My IP address” on google to find out what IP you have!

Can you explain how this relates?

You’re more than allowed to link Scratcher made websites

What about this has to do with blocking ban evasion?
Sure you can link Scratcher-made websites, but there are very few of these sites which grab your IP and make it available to the public