Prevent VPN networks with recent alert(s), account deletion(s) by the ST and/or current ban(s) from creating accounts

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The_Blue_J wrote:
CodeLearnerSai wrote:
I have seen someone evade bans they receive. This feature would help prevent them from coming back.
When someone attempts to create an account from a VPN network, they should receive this error message:
It looks like you are using a VPN network. If none of your accounts are banned, or you don't have an account, please try again from another network.
Ussually, VPN ban evading is used only for unfair bans,like if someone mass reported them for no reason and contact us doesn't work.Just report the scratcher again and the new IP will also be banned.

thats untrue, mass reports dont cause bans (even if they do, they mostly dont), and I have never seen a single IP evader use it to evade unfair bans (ig red? but I dont think red was IP banned anyways), the thing is, for someone to need a VPN to evade a ban, they would have evaded bans multiple times already

PPPDUD

Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.

GIitchInTheMatrix

PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.

We can just disable ourselves at hospitals to not be rude towards its patients, right? Or, go in a wheel chair?
I mean, how about we ban users from using school networks cuz they can than ban evade using it.

PPPDUD

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
I mean, how about we ban users from using school networks cuz they can than ban evade using it.

Physical, non-VPN networks are much easier to IP ban, so they aren't exactly a good idea to ban the usage of.

Last edited by PPPDUD (Feb. 16, 2023 19:28:22)

sonic__fan

PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.

Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.

PPPDUD

sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.

Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.

GIitchInTheMatrix

PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.

Send them your IP address every month than.

ajskateboarder

No support. VPNs are eventually regular IP addresses from a bunch of relay nodes (I think), so there isn't any way to distinguish them. If you ban one IP, the user can just hop to another from their VPN while being anonymous. There is no solution
Also I don't want my OpenVPN setup to be blocked D:

Even if there was a solution, it would honestly be a cringe move

GIitchInTheMatrix

PPPDUD wrote:
GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
I mean, how about we ban users from using school networks cuz they can than ban evade using it.
Physical, non-VPN networks are much easier to IP ban, so they aren't exactly a good idea to ban the usage of.

But, what if i get banned on my home network, and use Scratch at school? They should ban them, they’re easy for students to access.
I mean, they can easily use a hot spot while at school!

wer65hertg

sonic__fan wrote:
Firstly, people use VPNs for other stuff than evading Scratch bans (for example, you don't want websites to know your IP).
And secondly, how would Scratch detect if you're using a VPN?

No support because of the latter

PPPDUD

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
I mean, how about we ban users from using school networks cuz they can than ban evade using it.
Physical, non-VPN networks are much easier to IP ban, so they aren't exactly a good idea to ban the usage of.
But, what if i get banned on my home network, and use Scratch at school? They should ban them, they’re easy for students to access.
I mean, they can easily use a hot spot while at school!

Then if the ST finds it a good idea, they'll IP ban the school.

GIitchInTheMatrix

PPPDUD wrote:
GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
I mean, how about we ban users from using school networks cuz they can than ban evade using it.
Physical, non-VPN networks are much easier to IP ban, so they aren't exactly a good idea to ban the usage of.
But, what if i get banned on my home network, and use Scratch at school? They should ban them, they’re easy for students to access.
I mean, they can easily use a hot spot while at school!
Then if the ST finds it a good idea, they'll IP ban the school.

No, restrict them to hot spots, what if a student gets banned? Ignore the number of scratchers who use it in school!

sonic__fan

PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.

because i don't trust people like that
to my knowledge you can figure out where someone lives via your ip address

YtArie5

sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.
because i don't trust people like that
to my knowledge you can figure out where someone lives via your ip address

your ip says your city I believe so you are correct. My school used (idk if they use it anymore) a vpn on the computers (the device thinks/thought I was in Columbus, Ohio lol) so if they added this I wouldn't be able to use scratch at school because we aren't able to turn it off so that's fun

PPPDUD

sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.
because i don't trust people like that
to my knowledge you can figure out where someone lives via your ip address

It's rather inaccurate according to my testing.

GIitchInTheMatrix

PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.
because i don't trust people like that
to my knowledge you can figure out where someone lives via your ip address
It's rather inaccurate according to my testing.

In that case, send the ST your IP address every month.

sonic__fan

PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
PPPDUD wrote:
Support. People using VPNs for legit purposes can just disable them and it would help defeat ban evaders.
Why should I need to disable my VPN just to use Scratch? I simply don't want the Scratch Team to know my IP address.
Why don't you want them to know your IP address? If they used it against you they would be fired anyways.
because i don't trust people like that
to my knowledge you can figure out where someone lives via your ip address
It's rather inaccurate according to my testing.

It's definitely possible.
A hacker got a hold of my friend's IP address one day and found his home address.

Scratchy697

ajskateboarder wrote:
No support. VPNs are eventually regular IP addresses from a bunch of relay nodes (I think), so there isn't any way to distinguish them.

Why do people use this argument

Blockspammer wrote:
sonic__fan wrote:
And secondly, how would Scratch detect if you're using a VPN?
>Google “VPN Detection”
>44.000.000+ results

sonic__fan

Scratchy697 wrote:
ajskateboarder wrote:
No support. VPNs are eventually regular IP addresses from a bunch of relay nodes (I think), so there isn't any way to distinguish them.
Why do people use this argument

Probably because many people don't know the ins and outs of VPNs and just use infer stuff.
like me

ajskateboarder

Scratchy697 wrote:
ajskateboarder wrote:
No support. VPNs are eventually regular IP addresses from a bunch of relay nodes (I think), so there isn't any way to distinguish them.
Why do people use this argument

Because it's a valid argument, plus you can use bypasses and public proxies

>Google “vpn detection bypass”
>1,880,000 results

(which still isn't a good metric but you get the point)

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