So, certain gun names are banned (ie Glock, AK47 etc.)
But I may ask, Why?
Guns are tools, hunting, target practice, hunting, not just military use, plus, people who code FPS on this website, take alot of time and effort to animate, code and draw these sprites, so may I ask, why get rid of brand names?

Kids don’t need to know what an AK is.
You are also supposed to make them unrealistic, and can easily call them laser guns.
Also, you cant show a realistic death with a weapon.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Kids don’t need to know what an AK is.
You are also supposed to make them unrealistic, and can easily call them laser guns.
Also, you cant show a realistic death with a weapon.

I'm not talking about realistic death, and mostly kids don't alway gravitate towards scratch, and if they do, thy probably wouldn't be searching for AK-47s ans such, and if they, chances are they already know what that stuff is all about/

whosarcane wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Kids don’t need to know what an AK is.
You are also supposed to make them unrealistic, and can easily call them laser guns.
Also, you cant show a realistic death with a weapon.

I'm not talking about realistic death, and mostly kids don't alway gravitate towards scratch, and if they do, thy probably wouldn't be searching for AK-47s ans such, and if they, chances are they already know what that stuff is all about/

Just mentioning them, as it’s often included
Also, everything on Scratch has to be appropriate for all ages, and guns often bring back bad memories for kids.
Also, the ST made the rule.

This thread is tempting me to commit dark humour about American gun laws.
I'm doing my best guys.

Also no they shouldn't, just put nicknames like “rapid shootypew” or “long-range boom machinery”.
Because 8yos don't go to their classmates like “yoo lil timmy mah man, get outta here or the AR's gonna party over ya”.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

whosarcane wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Kids don’t need to know what an AK is.
You are also supposed to make them unrealistic, and can easily call them laser guns.
Also, you cant show a realistic death with a weapon.

I'm not talking about realistic death, and mostly kids don't alway gravitate towards scratch, and if they do, thy probably wouldn't be searching for AK-47s ans such, and if they, chances are they already know what that stuff is all about/

Just mentioning them, as it’s often included
Also, everything on Scratch has to be appropriate for all ages, and guns often bring back bad memories for kids.
Also, the ST made the rule.

“Bad memories”
Like i've said guns are tools, not immediate death destruction machines like the media portrays them.

And most guns are named after the brand

Basilikos wrote:

This thread is tempting me to commit dark humour about American gun laws.
I'm doing my best guys.

Also no they shouldn't, just put nicknames like “rapid shootypew” or “long-range boom machinery”.
Because 8yos don't go to their classmates like “yoo lil timmy mah man, get outta here or the AR's gonna party over ya”.

That's bound to happen, guns are in mainstream media, even kid tv shows, sure they may be watered down, but the thoughts still there.

whosarcane wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Just mentioning them, as it’s often included
Also, everything on Scratch has to be appropriate for all ages, and guns often bring back bad memories for kids.
Also, the ST made the rule.

“Bad memories”
Like i've said guns are tools, not immediate death destruction machines like the media portrays them.

And most guns are named after the brand

However, do kids need to see guns? The ST is left leaning, but, I’d argue it isn’t bias with that, as, again, do kids need to know what an AK is?
Also, exactly why gun brands can't be mentioned either.
Coming from someone who lives in a Conservative area, and has conservative leaning views on guns, kids don’t need to know what a gun is. Unless it’s educational, you will likely get in trouble for showing one.
Also, again, Scracth is an educational website, if you wanna have a gun, keep it unshared and share it on GameJolt or somewhere.

whosarcane wrote:

Basilikos wrote:

This thread is tempting me to commit dark humour about American gun laws.
I'm doing my best guys.

Also no they shouldn't, just put nicknames like “rapid shootypew” or “long-range boom machinery”.
Because 8yos don't go to their classmates like “yoo lil timmy mah man, get outta here or the AR's gonna party over ya”.

That's bound to happen, guns are in mainstream media, even kid tv shows, sure they may be watered down, but the thoughts still there.

Yes, it doesn't do much, but it's honest work.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

whosarcane wrote:

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

Just mentioning them, as it’s often included
Also, everything on Scratch has to be appropriate for all ages, and guns often bring back bad memories for kids.
Also, the ST made the rule.

“Bad memories”
Like i've said guns are tools, not immediate death destruction machines like the media portrays them.

And most guns are named after the brand

However, do kids need to see guns? The ST is left leaning, but, I’d argue it isn’t bias with that, as, again, do kids need to know what an AK is?
Also, exactly why gun brands can't be mentioned either.
Coming from someone who lives in a Conservative area, and has conservative leaning views on guns, kids don’t need to know what a gun is. Unless it’s educational, you will likely get in trouble for showing one.
Also, again, Scracth is an educational website, if you wanna have a gun, keep it unshared and share it on GameJolt or somewhere.

Like I said with the other person, guns are in mainstream media, and a true part of history itself, i agree with left leaning, but scratch isnt mostly used by 2 year olds who instantly want death to regn upon everyone when they hear AK-47

whosarcane wrote:

Lemme answer the first question, and make a follow up to answer the rest.

COLT M1911
GLOCK-17
GLOCK-18
GLOCK-19
H&K MP5
HK53
BENELLI M104 SEMI AUTO SHOTGUN
M1 GARAND
SPRINGFIELD
BERETTA SIDEARM PISTOL
MOSSBERG 870
the list goes on

That doesn’t answer why a kid needs to see guns on Scratch.

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

whosarcane wrote:

Lemme answer the first question, and make a follow up to answer the rest.

COLT M1911
GLOCK-17
GLOCK-18
GLOCK-19
H&K MP5
HK53
BENELLI M104 SEMI AUTO SHOTGUN
M1 GARAND
SPRINGFIELD
BERETTA SIDEARM PISTOL
MOSSBERG 870
the list goes on

That doesn’t answer why a kid needs to see guns on Scratch.

I read it wrong, my apologies

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

ajskateboarder wrote:

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

Exactly, thats the point i was trying to go for, the pointless censoring, they have age limits at gun stores too.

ajskateboarder wrote:

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

actually they might. you never know what's possible.

-Valtren- wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

actually they might. you never know what's possible.

Gun stores are legally age restricted, require a permit, and aren't usually found in urban areas, but you never know what's possible!
/s

ajskateboarder wrote:

-Valtren- wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

actually they might. you never know what's possible.

Gun stores are legally age restricted, require a permit, and aren't usually found in urban areas, but you never know what's possible!
/s

I consider this arqument solved, now its all up to scratch for thier input

whosarcane wrote:

ajskateboarder wrote:

-Valtren- wrote:

actually they might. you never know what's possible.

Gun stores are legally age restricted, require a permit, and aren't usually found in urban areas, but you never know what's possible!
/s

I consider this arqument solved, now its all up to scratch for thier input

They almost never reply to posts unless it’s reported. Even then, its quite rare.

ajskateboarder wrote:

I personally don't see why not. Knowing a gun name isn't going to make much of a difference, and NO it has nothing to do with political wings and conservatism :facepalm:

There are some practical use cases for guns: hunting, target practice, etc, and those kinds of projects (assuming they aren't completely realistic) should be allowed. I used a BB gun in Boy Scouts for this kind of stuff when I was literally 8 years old, kids aren't going to go to a gun shop and ask for gun names they saw in a Scratch project.

But, do kids need to know what a gun is?
Also, should we discuss medical drugs, I mean, no pharmacy will give a kid them, and why would a kid want them?

ajskateboarder wrote:

Gun stores are legally age restricted, require a permit, and aren't usually found in urban areas, but you never know what's possible!
/s

So, everyone on Scratch is in an urban area?
Medical drugs need a prescription.

whosarcane wrote:

I read it wrong, my apologies

Its ok

whosarcane wrote:

Exactly, thats the point i was trying to go for, the pointless censoring, they have age limits at gun stores too.

They have age limits at bars, so should we talk about alcohol beyond educational purposes?
Why all these arguments are valid: they only replace guns with something else. So, they are arguably pretty good comparisons

GIitchInTheMatrix wrote:

do kids need to know what an AK is?

I would like to point out, I Don't know a single kid below 6 who doesn't know what an AK is.
I… Do support this idea, for many reasons. The main one is, why would someone with this trauma go onto a weaponsmiths (cause I Don't know what else to call them) or other millitary lover's profile in the first place?
Another reason is… It's kinda rare for shootings to happen (though they are getting more common, yes, mainly because of mentally unstable people and politics.)
Third, and this one is a matter of opinion, it's kinda selfish to ban something for everyone because some people *might* have experienced something. (Ok, bad analogy coming up: that's like banning LGBTQ or furry's because a few people have been beat up by then. Anyways, I Don't see why people put the gun as the Apex of violence. It's actually a tool more often than not, and the reason some people get fed, because they dont have the money to buy food. Hand-held Guns aren't even used in the military much anymore, we always send in missile strikes and then use tanks to clear up the stragglers.)
(Better stop here before I really get passionate about this conversation.)

ONE MORE THING: Guns are the reason America is free, the World isn't German under the Third Reich and Japanese under Imperial Japan, and why South Korea exists. So, I disagree with banning them (and their names) because of all the reasons I have put out on here.

zomboss1_1 wrote:

(Ok, bad analogy coming up: that's like banning LGBTQ or furry's because a few people have been beat up by then.

the CG wrote:

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…
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It’s OK to have (unrealistic) guns in projects, not realistic guns or gun names.
Having the gun name is like a Discord tag: Both can be used to work around the guidelines, “I have an AK-47! Look it up to see them!”

zomboss1_1 wrote:

I… Do support this idea, for many reasons. The main one is, why would someone with this trauma go onto a weaponsmiths (cause I Don't know what else to call them) or other millitary lover's profile in the first place?

The military isn’t necessarily guns, and that’s the military. War crimes and death happen there, but we shouldn’t talk heavily about death on Scratch.
(For exclusively guns, a gunshop. IDK what general weaponshops are called)

zomboss1_1 wrote:

ONE MORE THING: Guns are the reason America is free, the World isn't German under the Third Reich and Japanese under Imperial Japan, and why South Korea exists.

Thats on the military side, and older cases.

zomboss1_1 wrote:

Another reason is… It's kinda rare for shootings to happen (though they are getting more common, yes, mainly because of mentally unstable people and politics.)

zomboss1_1 wrote:

Anyways, I Don't see why people put the gun as the Apex of violence. It's actually a tool more often than not, and the reason some people get fed, because they dont have the money to buy food.

No arguments here.
I’m gonna unfollow this, as i have very little thats constructive left to say