Limit a email address, internet, browser, and operating system to 5 accounts

banana439monkey

vdiu wrote:
Scratchfangs wrote:
What if you have multiple siblings that use the same computer or internet? What is wrong with how the Scratch Team currently handles this? What about schools?
No one has more than 5 siblings. If they do, it's a rare case, like octomom. Schools, they don't use the same email.

oh i know a couple families with, no joke, 10 kids
my primary school used the same email for our code club's accounts

Banana

vdiu

Za-Chary wrote:
dertermenter wrote:
Just letting you know that the Scratch Team has a system in place where projects can not be automatically taken down from reports from only 1 IP address, there have to be reports from other IPs as well. So this would not change anything on false reporting.
I was about to say/confirm this, good thing I read the whole thread!

Yeah, so I believe this suggestion would not actually solve the problem. Hence this would cause more problems than it solves, the problems being the ones detailed by other Scratchers above. Unless there's something I'm missing or the suggestion could be modified accordingly?

Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-

Scratchfangs wrote:
I have cousins and other family members who visit, and sometimes use Scratch. Quite bold of you to assume something that's really common.

He says that his cousins visit him and use scratch. So, suppose someone has 20-45 accounts. A stands for account and D stands for Device.They can use A.1 from D.1 and report a project. Then, they can use A.2 from D.2, A.3 from D.3, and so on. People who want to mass report a project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.

Cabbage_2020

In my opinion, I think that this will likely create a lot of problems for large families, schools that share computers and use the same emails, and also maybe also classes. It will just make creating multiple accounts really hard and annoying.

-Zorra-

vdiu wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
dertermenter wrote:
Just letting you know that the Scratch Team has a system in place where projects can not be automatically taken down from reports from only 1 IP address, there have to be reports from other IPs as well. So this would not change anything on false reporting.
I was about to say/confirm this, good thing I read the whole thread!

Yeah, so I believe this suggestion would not actually solve the problem. Hence this would cause more problems than it solves, the problems being the ones detailed by other Scratchers above. Unless there's something I'm missing or the suggestion could be modified accordingly?
Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-
Scratchfangs wrote:
I have cousins and other family members who visit, and sometimes use Scratch. Quite bold of you to assume something that's really common.
He says that his cousins visit him and use scratch. So, suppose someone has 20-45 accounts. A stands for account and D stands for Device.They can use A.1 from D.1 and report a project. Then, they can use A.2 from D.2, A.3 from D.3, and so on. People who want to mass report a project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.

This point completley counters what you're trying to say. If you stop people from using the same IP they will just use different devices or internet connections. This will mostly only harm and annoy Scratchers actually trying to create alts/move accounts. A filter won't stop these people because they're just using different devices.

Last edited by -Zorra- (Aug. 10, 2022 16:45:24)

dhuls

It's extremely easy to bypass any IP-related restrictions
You can just reset your router, use your phone's hotspot, or just use an ISP that resets your IP extremely often
Browser and OS detection is easily bypassed by just using another device
Even if you don't have another device, just use your browser's devtools

Also what's the point of this?
Apparently the ST requires reports from multiple IP addresses to successfully take down a project
Even if you change your IP address a lot to get around that, you're also getting around this system

Xcvfdd

Is this really a problem? I don’t see an issue if a user creates more than one account. No support.

Last edited by Xcvfdd (Aug. 10, 2022 19:21:41)

Euglena73

I do not support. Many schools, organizations or public institutions will set up class accounts from one email, IP. With the introduction of such a solution, it will be impossible, and we know that one of the most important tasks of Scratch is educational activity. This would worsen the development of the platform.

vdiu

Xcvfdd wrote:
Is this really a problem? I don’t see an issue if a user creates more than one account. No support.

If you read my first post, its so people can't mass report projects with multiple accounts.

vdiu

-Zorra- wrote:
vdiu wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
dertermenter wrote:
Just letting you know that the Scratch Team has a system in place where projects can not be automatically taken down from reports from only 1 IP address, there have to be reports from other IPs as well. So this would not change anything on false reporting.
I was about to say/confirm this, good thing I read the whole thread!

Yeah, so I believe this suggestion would not actually solve the problem. Hence this would cause more problems than it solves, the problems being the ones detailed by other Scratchers above. Unless there's something I'm missing or the suggestion could be modified accordingly?
Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-
Scratchfangs wrote:
I have cousins and other family members who visit, and sometimes use Scratch. Quite bold of you to assume something that's really common.
He says that his cousins visit him and use scratch. So, suppose someone has 20-45 accounts. A stands for account and D stands for Device.They can use A.1 from D.1 and report a project. Then, they can use A.2 from D.2, A.3 from D.3, and so on. People who want to mass report a project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.

This point completley counters what you're trying to say. If you stop people from using the same IP they will just use different devices or internet connections. This will mostly only harm and annoy Scratchers actually trying to create alts/move accounts. A filter won't stop these people because they're just using different devices.

-Zorra- wrote:
-Zorra- wrote:
vdiu wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
dertermenter wrote:
Just letting you know that the Scratch Team has a system in place where projects can not be automatically taken down from reports from only 1 IP address, there have to be reports from other IPs as well. So this would not change anything on false reporting.
I was about to say/confirm this, good thing I read the whole thread!

Yeah, so I believe this suggestion would not actually solve the problem. Hence this would cause more problems than it solves, the problems being the ones detailed by other Scratchers above. Unless there's something I'm missing or the suggestion could be modified accordingly?
Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-
Scratchfangs wrote:
I have cousins and other family members who visit, and sometimes use Scratch. Quite bold of you to assume something that's really common.
He says that his cousins visit him and use scratch. So, suppose someone has 20-45 accounts. A stands for account and D stands for Device.They can use A.1 from D.1 and report a project. Then, they can use A.2 from D.2, A.3 from D.3, and so on. People who want to mass report a
This point completley counters what you're trying to say. If you stop people from using the same IP they will just use different devices or internet connections. This will mostly only harm and annoy Scratchers actually trying to create alts/move accounts. A filter won't stop these people because they're just using different devices.
project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.
dhuls wrote:
It's extremely easy to bypass any IP-related restrictions
You can just reset your router, use your phone's hotspot, or just use an ISP that resets your IP extremely often
Browser and OS detection is easily bypassed by just using another device
Even if you don't have another device, just use your browser's devtools

Also what's the point of this?
Apparently the ST requires reports from multiple IP addresses to successfully take down a project
Even if you change your IP address a lot to get around that, you're also getting around this system
That's why I said email and Internet Address

-Zorra-

-Zorra- wrote:
vdiu wrote:
Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-
Scratchfangs wrote:
-snip-
project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.
dhuls wrote:
It's extremely easy to bypass any IP-related restrictions
You can just reset your router, use your phone's hotspot, or just use an ISP that resets your IP extremely often
Browser and OS detection is easily bypassed by just using another device
Even if you don't have another device, just use your browser's devtools

Also what's the point of this?
Apparently the ST requires reports from multiple IP addresses to successfully take down a project
Even if you change your IP address a lot to get around that, you're also getting around this system
That's why I said email and Internet Address

For email: Multiple children without emails are using the same email address, + with schools. In my early programming class we all used the same email to sign up to Scratch. And by Internet Adress, I assume you mean your IP, which you can change easily by simply changing your connection or router. (Internet Adress is just a URL)

Last edited by -Zorra- (Aug. 11, 2022 13:05:58)

-Zorra-

double post sorry

Last edited by -Zorra- (Aug. 11, 2022 13:08:12)

vdiu

-Zorra- wrote:
-Zorra- wrote:
vdiu wrote:
Well, some people log into scratch from multiple devices. If you read Scracthfang's post-
Scratchfangs wrote:
-snip-
project can go at no ends, ultimately using all devices and accounts they have- they're relatives' phones, they're cousins devices, they're school PCs.
dhuls wrote:
It's extremely easy to bypass any IP-related restrictions
You can just reset your router, use your phone's hotspot, or just use an ISP that resets your IP extremely often
Browser and OS detection is easily bypassed by just using another device
Even if you don't have another device, just use your browser's devtools

Also what's the point of this?
Apparently the ST requires reports from multiple IP addresses to successfully take down a project
Even if you change your IP address a lot to get around that, you're also getting around this system
That's why I said email and Internet Address

For email: Multiple children without emails are using the same email address, + with schools. In my early programming class we all used the same email to sign up to Scratch. And by Internet Adress, I assume you mean your IP, which you can change easily by simply changing your connection or router. (Internet Adress is just a URL)

Ok, I give up. I think this can be considered as rejected then?

Unity_and_Cq

vdiu wrote:
Scratchfangs wrote:
What if you have multiple siblings that use the same computer or internet? What is wrong with how the Scratch Team currently handles this? What about schools?
No one has more than 5 siblings. If they do, it's a rare case, like octomom. Schools, they don't use the same email.

Me and my 5 siblings have to disagree.

Also, no support because my siblings are too young to have their own email so they would use mine. 2 of them would probably want to join and if we all had test or alt accounts, we would have 6 accounts, bringing the total number of email uses to 6. Therefore, this is kind of annoying. Plus, what do you do if a user deletes their account? Would they regain that email use?

Last edited by Unity_and_Cq (Aug. 12, 2022 16:08:50)

thr565ono

vdiu wrote:
ThatOneWeirdDude wrote:
vdiu wrote:
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musicROCKS013 wrote:
I don't support the IP address. Many schools have students who create an account under the same IP, or the school's IP, and this could really make scratch at schools harder than it needs to be.
Ok, good point. I removed IP address from my post.
Users can just make another email, its not that hard and I don't think it would stop mass reporters.
Yeah, that's why I said IP address. But if you think about it, internet address, location and Browser/Operating system would also work.

School computers with identical locked down settings look identical in terms of browser and OS ID

Lionwarriorspets

What About Peeps With More Than 5 accs.

musicROCKS013

Lionwarriorspets wrote:
What About Peeps With More Than 5 accs.

I think the point is that you shouldn't create that many accounts in the first place.

Unity_and_Cq

musicROCKS013 wrote:
Lionwarriorspets wrote:
What About Peeps With More Than 5 accs.
I think the point is that you shouldn't create that many accounts in the first place.

What if there are three kids, all with alts who all use parent’s email? Not saying that would be likely however it is possible.

DarthVader4Life

musicROCKS013 wrote:
Lionwarriorspets wrote:
What About Peeps With More Than 5 accs.
I think the point is that you shouldn't create that many accounts in the first place.

That begs the question, what determines the amount of accounts that a user/email should or shouldn't have? I don't understand why it is currently necessary to limit the amount of accounts one can have. I mean, yeah, there's ban evasion, but that is dealt with fairly quickly, generally speaking. We're more than good on usernames and the site is functioning fairly well.

musicROCKS013

DarthVader4Life wrote:
That begs the question, what determines the amount of accounts that a user/email should or shouldn't have? I don't understand why it is currently necessary to limit the amount of accounts one can have. I mean, yeah, there's ban evasion, but that is dealt with fairly quickly, generally speaking. We're more than good on usernames and the site is functioning fairly well.

Yes, but you shouldn't ave 100+ alternate accounts, so there should be some limitation, if not 5.

-Valtren-

musicROCKS013 wrote:
DarthVader4Life wrote:
That begs the question, what determines the amount of accounts that a user/email should or shouldn't have? I don't understand why it is currently necessary to limit the amount of accounts one can have. I mean, yeah, there's ban evasion, but that is dealt with fairly quickly, generally speaking. We're more than good on usernames and the site is functioning fairly well.
Yes, but you shouldn't ave 100+ alternate accounts, so there should be some limitation, if not 5.

maybe 25? why anyone would need 25 accounts is beyond my understanding
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