There are projects that say "i have your ip address!". however they are meant to be jokes. are they allowed?

oisg_2402

they don't contain REAL IPs, but they SHOULD make the IP look obviously fake, for example: make the ip a bit longer, make it have a number that exceeds past 255. there you go, a false “ip”.

when green flag clicked
if <real ip detected? :: sensing> then
vpn [on v] :: motion
say [Your IP address is safe!] for (5) secs
end

-EmeraldThunder-

I don't think the ST would allow that. While the possibility of the person actually getting your IP address is very low, it can create a sense of fear in the community.

sharkode

If you can obviously tell it's a joke, then it would most likely be fine, I remember someone saying something like “Roses are red, violets are blue, quiet as a mouse, I am in your house” on their profile page, I made a forum topic asking if it is allowed, and everybody said yes.

oisg_2402

yeah, it could be allowed under ONE condition: make the IP look obviously fake

k0d3rrr

Honestly, I would see inside these projects before playing them (or starting them?)
Even if it's a joke, you must check if it's a joke.
Also, before you say “But k0d3rrr, it might not be possible to find your IP address through Scratch projects”.

I don't know. I'm trying to make a guess, okay, about if these exist or not!

BuzzedOut

k0d3rrr wrote:
Honestly, I would see inside these projects before playing them (or starting them?)
Even if it's a joke, you must check if it's a joke.
Also, before you say “But k0d3rrr, it might not be possible to find your IP address through Scratch projects”.

I don't know. I'm trying to make a guess, okay, about if these exist or not!

But k0d3rrr, it might not be possible to find your IP address through Scratch projects!
Seriously, although I really don’t think you can, you should till obviously make it a joke, since a majority of the scratch community probably don’t now that you can’t get your IP address through Scratch Projects.

Although it might be, I really don’t think so since unless you hacked the website or something you can’t get that data from a project.

k0d3rrr

BuzzedOut wrote:
k0d3rrr wrote:
Honestly, I would see inside these projects before playing them (or starting them?)
Even if it's a joke, you must check if it's a joke.
Also, before you say “But k0d3rrr, it might not be possible to find your IP address through Scratch projects”.

I don't know. I'm trying to make a guess, okay, about if these exist or not!

But k0d3rrr, it might not be possible to find your IP address through Scratch projects!
Seriously, although I really don’t think you can, you should till obviously make it a joke, since a majority of the scratch community probably don’t now that you can’t get your IP address through Scratch Projects.

Although it might be, I really don’t think so since unless you hacked the website or something you can’t get that data from a project.

Yeah, that makes sense.

GIitchInTheMatrix

BuzzedOut wrote:
Although it might be, I really don’t think so since unless you hacked the website or something you can’t get that data from a project.

It is possible, especially if theres a link, as you could use an IP grabbing tool. I believe it’s also possible by modifying the project, but I haven’t seen it done before. The IP itself is legal to have in most places, not anything malicious done with it.

To the OP:
I believe it is allowed, just as long as its an obvious joke. IE, making saying ‘And its a xd-eight-ijkl(letters, without autocorrect, than explaining what an IP address is)’(Or something like that, an obvious joke), than making it clear, IE, in the NaC or next scene, ‘Don’t worry. I don’t really have it,’ just to be safe. On the other hand, not something like ‘your IP is (insert realistic IP address here)’ isnt allowed, or using an IP grabber and using python servers to import it to Scratch, than going through a text engine tio show their actual IP(*i haven’t seen it done on Scratch before, but i have seen trolls do things similar on other sites)
Edit: Changed fake IP address from numbers to words, ides from #9
Edit 2:*added the parentheses(probably not its spelling, but close enough)

Last edited by GIitchInTheMatrix (May 31, 2022 16:10:29)

Za-Chary

25Freyst wrote:
To the OP:
I believe it is allowed, just as long as its an obvious joke. IE, making saying ‘And its 0000-0000-0000-0000/1234-5678-90’(Or something like that, an obvious joke)

The problem with an IP address is that most kids don't really know what it is. So, if they see a number like that, and they are told it's their “IP address,” they may be inclined to believe it. This is different from, say, their home address, because kids are more likely to know their own home address — and, furthermore, they may know what is and is not an address. (A random combination of letters like “srgs oasdpp grweu” is pretty clearly not a home address. However, a random combination of numbers like “234928061” can definitely resemble an IP address, regardless of whether someone knows what an IP address is.)

For the reasons above, I'm tempted to believe that such a project is not allowed. If you want to showcase an “obviously” fake IP address for some reason, at least make the project considerate so that it doesn't try to trick others into believing that this “obviously” fake IP address is their real IP address.

GIitchInTheMatrix

Za-Chary wrote:
25Freyst wrote:
To the OP:
I believe it is allowed, just as long as its an obvious joke. IE, making saying ‘And its 0000-0000-0000-0000/1234-5678-90’(Or something like that, an obvious joke)
The problem with an IP address is that most kids don't really know what it is. So, if they see a number like that, and they are told it's their “IP address,” they may be inclined to believe it. This is different from, say, their home address, because kids are more likely to know their own home address — and, furthermore, they may know what is and is not an address. (A random combination of letters like “srgs oasdpp grweu” is pretty clearly not a home address. However, a random combination of numbers like “234928061” can definitely resemble an IP address, regardless of whether someone knows what an IP address is.)

For the reasons above, I'm tempted to believe that such a project is not allowed. If you want to showcase an “obviously” fake IP address for some reason, at least make the project considerate so that it doesn't try to trick others into believing that this “obviously” fake IP address is their real IP address.

I edited the post to better reflect it.
Also, i believe i once heard there places where letters may be used in home addresses(i believe i heard something about it, however it was at least 2 years ago, and unused since)

Za-Chary

25Freyst wrote:
I edited the post to better reflect it.

Seems a little better, but one might not know that IP addresses don't contain letters. Some codes (like Nintendo eShop codes) have letters in them.

To avoid all these special cases and confusion, it's best just to not try to trick others that you have their IP address, even if it's “fake” or meant to be a “joke.”

oisg_2402

Za-Chary wrote:
25Freyst wrote:
To the OP:
I believe it is allowed, just as long as its an obvious joke. IE, making saying ‘And its 0000-0000-0000-0000/1234-5678-90’(Or something like that, an obvious joke)
The problem with an IP address is that most kids don't really know what it is. So, if they see a number like that, and they are told it's their “IP address,” they may be inclined to believe it. This is different from, say, their home address, because kids are more likely to know their own home address — and, furthermore, they may know what is and is not an address. (A random combination of letters like “srgs oasdpp grweu” is pretty clearly not a home address. However, a random combination of numbers like “234928061” can definitely resemble an IP address, regardless of whether someone knows what an IP address is.)

For the reasons above, I'm tempted to believe that such a project is not allowed. If you want to showcase an “obviously” fake IP address for some reason, at least make the project considerate so that it doesn't try to trick others into believing that this “obviously” fake IP address is their real IP address.

It can be allowed as long as the “ip” doesn't follow the rules of what a real ip should look like. (via making the ip long, have numbers above 255, maybe have a letter in it?, etc)

GIitchInTheMatrix

oisg_2402 wrote:
Za-Chary wrote:
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It can be allowed as long as the “ip” doesn't follow the rules of what a real ip should look like. (via making the ip long, have numbers above 255, maybe have a letter in it?, etc)

Za-Chary overed that.

Za-Chary wrote:
25Freyst wrote:
I edited the post to better reflect it.
Seems a little better, but one might not know that IP addresses don't contain letters.

In particular, with kids. I also didnt know IP;s have to have didgitds below 255 for each section/nm

Valleri45

i dont know if the ST would allow it. probably it wont.

ScratchCat1038

Za-Chary wrote:
However, a random combination of numbers like “234928061” can definitely resemble an IP address

A random keysmash of numbers probably wouldn't say “Hey, I'm an IP address” to most. And even if it did, the number could resemble multiple IPs. Your example can only resemble 1 IP: 234.92.80.61. But something like 22114683 could be 221.14.68.3, 2.211.46.83, 22.114.68.3, 2.21.146.83, etc.

And to answer the OP, IMO it would be fine if you stated it was a joke and/or use an IP no one will use (e.g 245.12.261.172, 222.130.110.207.209, or 192.0.2.16 (an IP reserved for documentation and examples)).

Za-Chary

oisg_2402 wrote:
It can be allowed as long as the “ip” doesn't follow the rules of what a real ip should look like. (via making the ip long, have numbers above 255, maybe have a letter in it?, etc)

ScratchCat1038 wrote:
A random keysmash of numbers probably wouldn't say “Hey, I'm an IP address” to most.

Remember, I am assuming here that many kids don't actually know what an IP address is, nor do they know what a “correct” IP address looks like. I think this is a reasonable assumption to make. To a kid who doesn't know what an IP address looks like, a random keysmash of numbers could definitely be convincing, especially in the context of making a project where you claim that you have their IP address.

OnTheCode99

oisg_2402 wrote:
they don't contain REAL IPs, but they SHOULD make the IP look obviously fake, for example: make the ip a bit longer, make it have a number that exceeds past 255. there you go, a false “ip”.
when green flag clicked
if <real ip detected? :: sensing> then
vpn [on v] :: motion
say [Your IP address is safe!] for (5) secs
end

That can make people scared, even though it’s really hard to gain IP addresses through projects, they might get removed.

oisg_2402

when green flag clicked
close forum @greenFlag :: cap :: control

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