dhuls wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

but others have suggested letting it check your IP address, and also implementing a cooldown for anonymous reporting.

dhuls wrote:

My router gets a new IP address every so often, what are you going to do about that?
I could also reset it, new IP address.
Or use my phone's mobile data.

That would bypass all cooldowns

:spitdrink: What?!
BRUH, THIS POST IS ON THE FOURTH PAGE.

isn't reporting anonymous anyway? (I mean, the user you reported can't see who reported them)

Eagle138 wrote:

isn't reporting anonymous anyway? (I mean, the user you reported can't see who reported them)

I know I shouldn't I shouldn't restate what others have said, because to quote a user who I won't reveal who it is:

Anonymous wrote:

I would just like to remind you that it’s not a good idea to repeat points, as it is not constructive.

But… The OP says this:

-GentooPenguin- wrote:

I recently saw that a New Scratcher was doing fake follow for follow (to get free followers without following anyone). I'm not mentioning their username as they might not want it mentioned here, so I'll refer to them as ‘Gobo’. Some users have been bullying Gobo on his/her/their profile because of what Gobo did - he/she/they maybe misunderstood (as a New Scratcher). All users should be able to report content as an ‘unknown’ or ‘anonymous’ user, not just signed in Scratchers.

I hope this helps!

k0d3rrr wrote:

Eagle138 wrote:

isn't reporting anonymous anyway? (I mean, the user you reported can't see who reported them)

I know I shouldn't I shouldn't restate what others have said, because to quote a user who I won't reveal who it is:

Anonymous wrote:

I would just like to remind you that it’s not a good idea to repeat points, as it is not constructive.

But… The OP says this:

-GentooPenguin- wrote:

I recently saw that a New Scratcher was doing fake follow for follow (to get free followers without following anyone). I'm not mentioning their username as they might not want it mentioned here, so I'll refer to them as ‘Gobo’. Some users have been bullying Gobo on his/her/their profile because of what Gobo did - he/she/they maybe misunderstood (as a New Scratcher). All users should be able to report content as an ‘unknown’ or ‘anonymous’ user, not just signed in Scratchers.

I hope this helps!

wait, so does the OP mean that you could report as an anonymous user, or you could report a user without revealing their username?
sorry my brain is confuzzled
cuz if it's the former, then i just want to ask, why would it matter if you're anonymous or not? No one except the ST can see it anyway

Eagle138 wrote:

-super duper snip-
wait, so does the OP mean that you could report as an anonymous user, or you could report a user without revealing their username?
sorry my brain is confuzzled
cuz if it's the former, then i just want to ask, why would it matter if you're anonymous or not? No one except the ST can see it anyway

You would be able to report while logged out, so basically 50% of the first guess.
If it was the second one, it would result in community drama.
Sorry, I didn't read the full post.

No support. this would lead to waves and waves and waves of false reporting.

stargrazing wrote:

i feel like they should allow new scratchers to report but give them a 10 cooldown after every report. i think allowing not signed in people to report things will cause mass reporting, as scratch will have no way of giving them a cooldown to prevent mass reporting. this would bring back the mass reporting issue.

Track them by IP, and add a 1 hour coodown

warriorcats2155 wrote:

stargrazing wrote:

i feel like they should allow new scratchers to report but give them a 10 cooldown after every report. i think allowing not signed in people to report things will cause mass reporting, as scratch will have no way of giving them a cooldown to prevent mass reporting. this would bring back the mass reporting issue.

Track them by IP, and add a 1 hour coodown

Also, track them by device instead of IP…

k0d3rrr wrote:

This would help anonymous users report content by protecting who they are, maybe?

While the Scratch Team can see who reported something, the Scratch Team never shares this information with other Scratchers, precisely because they want reports to be anonymous to the community. Thus, Scratchers are already protected under the current system.

Furthermore, you did not really help me understand why this would be helpful for those who are doing “fake follow-for-follow” specifically.

k0d3rrr wrote:

This could be used to repeatedly false report content, but others have suggested letting it check your IP address, and also implementing a cooldown for anonymous reporting.

In addition to @dhuls' comment, I also stated why this would not be an effective solution:

Za-Chary wrote:

A report cooldown could help, but is not a solution, since a signed-out user can just come back and do more false reporting when the cooldown is over.

-GentooPenguin- wrote:

Scratchfangs wrote:

A few cons, what if someone creates a bot that mass reports projects? Don't projects that have a lot of reports get taken down? And won't it be easier for bots to be created since they don't have to make an account?

a. Signed in users can already do this anyway
b. There could be a cooldown between reporting projects

Problem is, withou an account, you can simple remove the cooldown by deleting your cookies from scratch and reloading the site, while WITH an account, ST could actually do something to your acount if you false report like 100 times in a row.
Signed in users obviously can do this, but to have a few thousand bots to report the same project, only without accounts would be possible (theoretically you can also do it with accounts, but that requires a LOT more processing power, you would need like a small server to host all those bots and make them create an account, verify it using Email, and finally doing the report)

tl:dr Without account report = can spam more and even DDOS, cooldown doesn't work because delete cookeis, with account report = way more procesing power and expensive

Ye also, to use IP cooldowns, you would have to store all the cooldown on the server itself, which could very much take more proccessing power for scratch (I dont know exactly how much more processing power it would take, but from what I know, im pretty sure you want to keep most data on the user's computer)

OH MY GOD I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A REPLY HERE HI!

Za-Chary wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

This would help anonymous users report content by protecting who they are, maybe?

While the Scratch Team can see who reported something, the Scratch Team never shares this information with other Scratchers, precisely because they want reports to be anonymous to the community. Thus, Scratchers are already protected under the current system.

Furthermore, you did not really help me understand why this would be helpful for those who are doing “fake follow-for-follow” specifically.

Yeah, there is that… I was trying to make a correct guess.
Okay, this would be helpful for “fake follow-for-follow”, or if it were an abbreviation, “FF4F”, because users would feel uncomfortable with the fake follow-for-follow that's going on, so they could “anonymously” report the user. (Unless that's a cruel thing to do.)

Za-Chary wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

This could be used to repeatedly false report content, but others have suggested letting it check your IP address, and also implementing a cooldown for anonymous reporting.

In addition to @dhuls' comment, I also stated why this would not be an effective solution:

Za-Chary wrote:

A report cooldown could help, but is not a solution, since a signed-out user can just come back and do more false reporting when the cooldown is over.

I saw that comment, and yes, false reporting is an issue with the report cooldown, but, the reports should be double checked before the alerts are sent.
And yes, before anyone says “There's like, more or less, 50 moderators, what do you want k0d3rrr”, let me say this.

Rumours and false reports should be stopped. Even if they reach the end of the universe, to highly exaggerate, they should be stopped so that the Scratch Team can hypothetically “use the Uno reverse card” and instead use the alert for the false reporter and not the Scratcher who shared an innocent project about pictures of foxes that got false reported.

Sorry if this is highly off-topic. I just wanted to share a few points.

You still hasn't answered my question yet: Why can't the users just sign in to report?

Also, banning IP isn't going to be as easy as banning users, for example, if someone mass reports people on school network, what should ST do? Block access from the school network and stop all the kids from doing their learning or do they allow the school network, despite of all the mass reports?

k0d3rrr wrote:

snips explanation

thx for the explanation! sorry i am really bad at this stuff lol

sharkode wrote:

You still hasn't answered my question yet: Why can't the users just sign in to report?

thank you
precisely my question. Reporting is basically anonymous anyway, so why would you need to report as an anonymous user? It's not like reports are public; in pretty much every case the ST won't reveal who reported who, and nobody else receives a notification when you report someone. This is kinda an unnecessary feature if the concern is privacy.

Eagle138 wrote:

sharkode wrote:

You still hasn't answered my question yet: Why can't the users just sign in to report?

thank you
precisely my question. Reporting is basically anonymous anyway, so why would you need to report as an anonymous user? It's not like reports are public; in pretty much every case the ST won't reveal who reported who, and nobody else receives a notification when you report someone. This is kinda an unnecessary feature if the concern is privacy.

Exactly! The only reason I can see with signed out users reporting is when they don't have an account, but if they don't have an account they probably have never read CG and wouldn't know what's allowed and what's not allowed.

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k0d3rrr wrote:

The Official Forum Bulldozer has moved this topic to the first page.

Yes, I would call you that.

There's a reason no other websites have this ability. There are no solutions to the problems this would cause, so I'm surprised it's not rejected already.

TheAnimalKingdom42 wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

The Official Forum Bulldozer has moved this topic to the first page.

Yes, I would call you that.

There's a reason no other websites have this ability. There are no solutions to the problems this would cause, so I'm surprised it's not rejected already.

No, it's another way of saying “bump”.
Well, even if a cooldown didn't stop the anonymous reporters from false reporting peoples' innocence, this still isn't rejected because the Scratch Team haven't confirmed it's rejected, and also because there are a few possible solutions, but they just haven't been realised yet.

k0d3rrr wrote:

TheAnimalKingdom42 wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

The Official Forum Bulldozer has moved this topic to the first page.

Yes, I would call you that.

No, it's another way of saying “bump”.

I know that, but you're undoubtedly the best fit for the title of The Official Forum Bulldozer.

k0d3rrr wrote:

this still isn't rejected because the Scratch Team haven't confirmed it's rejected

What I meant was, I'm surprised they haven't confirmed it was rejected already.

k0d3rrr wrote:

and also because there are a few possible solutions, but they just haven't been realised yet.

Nobody's thought of any since this topic was created. There are some fundamental flaws with allowing anonymous people to report things, though I won't repeat them because they've already been said.

TheAnimalKingdom42 wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

this still isn't rejected because the Scratch Team haven't confirmed it's rejected

What I meant was, I'm surprised they haven't confirmed it was rejected already.

Ahh, right.

TheAnimalKingdom42 wrote:

k0d3rrr wrote:

and also because there are a few possible solutions, but they just haven't been realised yet.

Nobody's thought of any since this topic was created. There are some fundamental flaws with allowing anonymous people to report things, though I won't repeat them because they've already been said.

Correct.
Ahh, they're going to start a new page on this topic!