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- TheTrillion
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
You don't get my point. I was joking with banning the football/soccer sprite, because it is similar to the suggestion being proposed. Both on the surface are harmless, unlike a gun that is not for hunting for example, but when you dig deeper, both have reasons they could be considered dangerous. Same can apply with almost every sprite. I am not denying that fish bowls are harmful for fish, but so are footballs/soccer because humans can get harmed from playing sports. Nobody is taking pet advice from Scratch sprites. If people actually are, they probably should not have a pet. Also, if you really wanted to use a fish tank, you can download one off a trusted site, or use the square tool to draw one square.I feel like this is flawed because there's a problem for every sprite. Why not ban the football/soccer sprite because you can get injured while playing sports? Everything is dangerous or bad if you think of it that way.
This is suggesting removing/replacing the fishbowl sprite because it harms fish.
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Response to the suggestion:
Perhaps there could be both a fish tank and a fish bowl costume under a sprite titled fish enclosures?
Last edited by TheTrillion (May 15, 2022 16:58:50)
- M1mikyu
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
By default I mean, in the sprite library.it just shouldn’t be there at default.
What do you mean by “default?” You have to go in and select the sprite from the sprite library to use it. You only use it if you want a project with a fishbowl, and if it wasn't in the library people would simply draw it themself. It isn't like the scratch cat, at the creation of every scratch project. Choosing the fishbowl sprite is a deliberate thing, and even if you removed it from the sprite library, this wouldn't change the stereotypical cartoon fishbowl we use in modern media.
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- portalpower
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
(#13)If removing fish bowl costumes leads to banning cheese puffs, then why didn't the Vietnam war lead to worldwide communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory)? This is all a slippery slope. There isn't any real reason to keep the costumes, we could just replace it with a fish tank and everything's fine. However, there isn't any real reason to ban the other things.No! Don't stop there, we need to take down every sprite on the website because it can be dangerous for Scratchers!!!Using that logic, we should ban the Neigh Pony sprite. It was based off an April Fools' Day prank. Why not ban the football/soccer sprite because you can get injured while playing sports? Everything is dangerous or bad if you think of it that way.
While we're at it, why don't we ban the Ghost sprite? It could scare kids.
I feel like this is flawed because there's a problem for every sprite.
This is suggesting removing/replacing the fishbowl sprite because it harms fish.
On a serious note, I think that both sides are exaggerating their argument. We definitely should be careful what's on the site and what's not. However, there's really no fine line between what is too dangerous and what should be removed or banned.
Replacing the sprite would make sense though, but the danger of the fishbowl is pretty unclear and most kids who use this don't mean harm.
Edit: I should’ve read RL1123’s whole post, because it turns out they weren’t supporting the slippery slope.
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- HeliosTheSuperior
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
deliberate thing, and even if you removed it from the sprite library, this wouldn't change the stereotypical cartoon fishbowl we use in modern media.what. Choosing the fishbowl sprite is a
You're right, obviously we can't remove every depiction of fishbowls in media, but it's usually right to do any little thing that we can, even if it doesn't have that big of an impact.
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- musicROCKS013
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
My point is, removing it on scratch won't really impact what kids think of these fishbowls. Sure, it would show that the ST cares about fish, but the main argument for this feature is so that kids don't think that fishbowls are safe, so I'm giving a rebuttal for that claim. I'm just saying if changing this “doesn't have that big of an impact,” then what is even the point of it if it hardly changes anything? I also agree with what TheTrillion said:deliberate thing, and even if you removed it from the sprite library, this wouldn't change the stereotypical cartoon fishbowl we use in modern media.what. Choosing the fishbowl sprite is a
You're right, obviously we can't remove every depiction of fishbowls in media, but it's usually right to do any little thing that we can, even if it doesn't have that big of an impact.
Nobody is taking pet advice from Scratch sprites. If people actually are, they probably should not have a pet.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
At least adding a tank sprite as well would be good. Fish tanks look so much cooler anyways, you can put so much more cool stuff in them! Decorating a fish tank seems like so much fun.(#13)If removing fish bowl costumes leads to banning cheese puffs, then why didn't the Vietnam war lead to worldwide communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory)? This is all a slippery slope. There isn't any real reason to keep the costumes, we could just replace it with a fish tank and everything's fine. However, there isn't any real reason to ban the other things.No! Don't stop there, we need to take down every sprite on the website because it can be dangerous for Scratchers!!!Using that logic, we should ban the Neigh Pony sprite. It was based off an April Fools' Day prank. Why not ban the football/soccer sprite because you can get injured while playing sports? Everything is dangerous or bad if you think of it that way.
While we're at it, why don't we ban the Ghost sprite? It could scare kids.
I feel like this is flawed because there's a problem for every sprite.
This is suggesting removing/replacing the fishbowl sprite because it harms fish.
On a serious note, I think that both sides are exaggerating their argument. We definitely should be careful what's on the site and what's not. However, there's really no fine line between what is too dangerous and what should be removed or banned.
Replacing the sprite would make sense though, but the danger of the fishbowl is pretty unclear and most kids who use this don't mean harm.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
At least adding a tank sprite as well would be good. Fish tanks look so much cooler anyways, you can put so much more cool stuff in them! Decorating a fish tank seems like so much fun.
I agree. I don't think the “fishbowl” costume should be removed, but it could coexist with some “fish tank” costumes.
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Hello Scratch Team. You have been pushing a liberal political agenda on this site for far too long. This site should stay out of politics. People should be able to still post their political opinions, but there shouldn’t be any “official” political stance or Scratch. The ST is not going to change this on their own, and shoot down any attempts asking them to change. Please put this in your signature if you agree that
Scratch should be politically neutral.
The ST’s biggest defense is that they’re being welcoming, but they can be perfectly welcoming of all people and stay out of politics. Scratch is about coding, and that should be the Scratch Team’s biggest concern to maintain.
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- k0d3rrr
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
Okay…You don't get my point. I was joking with banning the football/soccer sprite, because it is similar to the suggestion being proposed. Both on the surface are harmless, unlike a gun that is not for hunting for example, but when you dig deeper, both have reasons they could be considered dangerous. Same can apply with almost every sprite. I am not denying that fish bowls are harmful for fish, but so are footballs/soccer because humans can get harmed from playing sports. Nobody is taking pet advice from Scratch sprites. If people actually are, they probably should not have a pet. Also, if you really wanted to use a fish tank, you can download one off a trusted site, or use the square tool to draw one square.I feel like this is flawed because there's a problem for every sprite. Why not ban the football/soccer sprite because you can get injured while playing sports? Everything is dangerous or bad if you think of it that way.
This is suggesting removing/replacing the fishbowl sprite because it harms fish.
AI isn't being added to Scratch anytime soon. If you want to, you could also read this related essay, which was not made by me.
I also found the earliest mention of Scratch 4.0 on the forums.
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- portalpower
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
that claim. I'm just saying if changing this “doesn't have that big of an impact,” then what is even the point of it if it hardly changes anything? I also agree with what TheTrillion said:Small things like that can build up. It’s like how scratch team banned ALM even though it wouldn’t make that much of a difference. My point is, removing it on scratch won't really impact what kids think of these fishbowls. Sure, it would show that the ST cares about fish, but the main argument for this feature is so that kids don't think that fishbowls are safe, so I'm giving a rebuttal for
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- HeliosTheSuperior
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
I agree with your point, but your example????? You can't compare this situation to racism.that claim. I'm just saying if changing this “doesn't have that big of an impact,” then what is even the point of it if it hardly changes anything? I also agree with what TheTrillion said:Small things like that can build up. It’s like how scratch team banned ALM even though it wouldn’t make that much of a difference. My point is, removing it on scratch won't really impact what kids think of these fishbowls. Sure, it would show that the ST cares about fish, but the main argument for this feature is so that kids don't think that fishbowls are safe, so I'm giving a rebuttal for
You see, sensei~
I love how deep your voice can get. I've been recording and collecting it as MP3s.
I've gone absolutely crazy. From the Internet, I downloaded Audacity.
Cutting, pasting, until it was complete.
“Sensei whispering his love to me.mp3” <3
Hello, I'm Helios and I use they/xe/he >:^)
I'm an artist and a writer and I do cool stuff. :P
I'm currently working on my first-person story Teacher's Pet Chronicles! The story is about a girl who tells on one student, and then becomes thirsty to tattle on them all! But some classmates aren't easy targets, some are almost impossible to tattle on. Can she remove all of them from the classroom? Will her teacher notice her actions? Hmm…
I'm also working on a collection of poems called “I Wish I Were Them”. It's about a boy who is obsessed with the lives of others.
- Roblox888i
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
If your trying to remove every sprite then scratch would be empty of sprites, and plus its just a sprite.
So no support.
So no support.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
I know I shouldn't state what others have said, but… If your trying to remove every sprite then scratch would be empty of sprites, and plus its just a sprite.
So no support.
Reasons include them being too small, no room for a heater and filter, the bowl shape distorts their vision, among other things.I think this should be removed, as fishbowls are very dangerous and cruel to fish.
AI isn't being added to Scratch anytime soon. If you want to, you could also read this related essay, which was not made by me.
I also found the earliest mention of Scratch 4.0 on the forums.
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- HeliosTheSuperior
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
when did they say they wanted to remove all sprites lol If your trying to remove every sprite then scratch would be empty of sprites, and plus its just a sprite.
So no support.
You see, sensei~
I love how deep your voice can get. I've been recording and collecting it as MP3s.
I've gone absolutely crazy. From the Internet, I downloaded Audacity.
Cutting, pasting, until it was complete.
“Sensei whispering his love to me.mp3” <3
Hello, I'm Helios and I use they/xe/he >:^)
I'm an artist and a writer and I do cool stuff. :P
I'm currently working on my first-person story Teacher's Pet Chronicles! The story is about a girl who tells on one student, and then becomes thirsty to tattle on them all! But some classmates aren't easy targets, some are almost impossible to tattle on. Can she remove all of them from the classroom? Will her teacher notice her actions? Hmm…
I'm also working on a collection of poems called “I Wish I Were Them”. It's about a boy who is obsessed with the lives of others.
- musicROCKS013
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
People were joking about how all of the scratch sprites could be offensive, so maybe Roblox888i got the idea that this was suggesting removing all of the sprites, not just the fish bowl one.when did they say they wanted to remove all sprites lol If your trying to remove every sprite then scratch would be empty of sprites, and plus its just a sprite.
So no support.
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Hello Scratch Team. You have been pushing a liberal political agenda on this site for far too long. This site should stay out of politics. People should be able to still post their political opinions, but there shouldn’t be any “official” political stance or Scratch. The ST is not going to change this on their own, and shoot down any attempts asking them to change. Please put this in your signature if you agree that
Scratch should be politically neutral.
The ST’s biggest defense is that they’re being welcoming, but they can be perfectly welcoming of all people and stay out of politics. Scratch is about coding, and that should be the Scratch Team’s biggest concern to maintain.
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- M1mikyu
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
There’s other reasons why too, here’s a good article https://pethelpful.com/fish-aquariums/why-fish-bowls-are-bad-for-your-fishI know I shouldn't state what others have said, but… If your trying to remove every sprite then scratch would be empty of sprites, and plus its just a sprite.
So no support.Reasons include them being too small, no room for a heater and filter, the bowl shape distorts their vision, among other things.I think this should be removed, as fishbowls are very dangerous and cruel to fish.
I’ve seen many videos of cats knocking over fishbowls and the fish falling out, because they don’t have a lid.
Fishbowls are okay temporarily as quarantine or if there’s something up with the tank, you’re setting up the tank, among other reasons. Though using a bucket might be a better option.
I’ve seen people put axolotls in a bucket as they’re working on fixing something in the tank or moving it, which is fine as it’s temporary. I know axolotls aren’t fish but it’s a good thing to mention.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
Forgot to reply to this, but it’s really funny, haha!No! Don't stop there, we need to take down every sprite on the website because it can be dangerous for Scratchers!!!Using that logic, we should ban the Neigh Pony sprite. It was based off an April Fools' Day prank. Why not ban the football/soccer sprite because you can get injured while playing sports? Everything is dangerous or bad if you think of it that way.
While we're at it, why don't we ban the Ghost sprite? It could scare kids.
I feel like this is flawed because there's a problem for every sprite.
This is suggesting removing/replacing the fishbowl sprite because it harms fish.
On a serious note, I think that both sides are exaggerating their argument. We definitely should be careful what's on the site and what's not. However, there's really no fine line between what is too dangerous and what should be removed or banned.
Replacing the sprite would make sense though, but the danger of the fishbowl is pretty unclear and most kids who use this don't mean harm.
I’m surprised there aren’t more fish sprites in the sprite library. A koi and betta fish would be cool since they’re very popular fish.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
the p00or feesh You make some pretty good points here. This is, to some extent, promoting animal abuse, since people should probably not treat their fish this way. I support replacing the fishbowl with a more suitable representation of an environment for a fish to live in.
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
Fishtanks are much safer for fish. We don't want people thinking otherwise!
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Remove the fishbowl default sprite due to fishbowls being unsafe for fish
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