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CreatorBN
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

For removing the “Delete” thing:
Semi-support.
  • It annoys some people.
    If you really want to delete a comment, you would have to report it.
That would increase the number of un-detailed reports. Most of them would simply say “I want to delete this comment”.
Also.

White_Lord wrote:

Deleting comments can also be useful to delete accidental duplicate, comments with typos, accidental posted comments, or just outdated comments. It will also create a huge burden on the moderators. They don't remove a lot of inappropriate content for a year already.
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For making the Report form much better:
Semi-support.
  • There would be some people that might want to clean their profile and just say on the Report forum:
    “I wanna make my profile look clean”, as mentioned before.

My opinion:

Altough it has some downsides, it could still be added. Semi-support.
Sorry if I write incorrectly, I'm not from English.
Also, I hope my criticism was constructive.
CreatorBN
Scratcher
100+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

One more thing.

Super_Scratch_Bros20 wrote:

Lists of suggestions are not allowed.The reason why is so each topic is focused on one point, not any more. Lists tend to centralize around one suggestion. That means that users in the topic tend to discuss one suggestion mainly anyway, debating over one point.
inoking
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1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

#103:

lovecodeabc wrote:

rip nato
japan is not in nato yet
also btw no offence
Although you may already know,

It is not only out of this topic, but also teasing based on a political prejudice.
It can never be a joke.
I STRONGLY PROTEST IT.
inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

I don't think a user should be able to control all the contents in their profile.

The reason why I think so is below.
Scratch is not a general purpose homepage service.
It is just a user profile page in the Scratch designed for “Imagine, Program, Share”.

Users can do the following at the profile:
- introduce themselves
- have a little conversations with others
- receive some feedbacks from others
etc.
(RPGs and so on are not prohibited, but not better use.)

If this is an external user site (if refered by Scratch, it must suit the Scrach Community Guidelines),
it is obviously no problem to control all the contents.
inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

Essence of my opinion hasn't changed, it is also applicable to the objections.
Though it may seem that there are a lot of objection, they are just examples of a few reasons.

The situation has been stuck since #20 or #21.

Although my opinion seems to be a minority opinion in this topic, it varies along with locations or something. #79
And also it should not be neglected by the reason it is a minority.

Then, return to #79 again.

I ask all the participants to avoid using slang as much as possible, because I may misunderstand.

Last edited by inoking (April 22, 2021 03:34:22)

fdreerf
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

Scratch Team members themselves have found that there isn't a reason to expand comment reporting as they're short enough to figure out what's wrong with them on their own. Had the moderators truly needed it, it would have been implemented by now.
inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

#126:
Where is the source of the information?
inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

I quote this typical post #21:

Foxy112345 wrote:

CONS
  • gives lots more work for ST
This is a counterargument against above.

The ST can control the reports by various methods (e.g. filtering or sorting by the source or type of the reports).
Even now, they seem to do some of “triage”, because some kind of reports (malicious spam, etc.) are immediately treated.

Therefore, it doesn't necessarily give more work for the ST.
DarthVader4Life
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

inoking wrote:

I quote this typical post #21:

Foxy112345 wrote:

CONS
  • gives lots more work for ST
This is a counterargument against above.

The ST can control the reports by various methods (e.g. filtering or sorting by the source or type of the reports).
Even now, they seem to do some of “triage”, because some kind of reports (malicious spam, etc.) are immediately treated.

Therefore, it doesn't necessarily give more work for the ST.
The ST have to go through all the reports. They can't just ignore some. Now if you take the 70+ million users, which are spread all over the world, and let's say that there are about 1 million reports a day.
lovecodeabc
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

Tronche2Cake wrote:

Foxy112345 wrote:

lovecodeabc wrote:

That's JUST your opinion, I along with @Foxy112345 say no. 2-1.
To add on to this, this doesn't mean your opinion doesn't matter; rather, if a suggestion doesn't benefit everyone – and if in fact does the opposite – then it's probably not a good suggestion.
it would benefit everyone, just not in a direct fashion.
how?
please tell me
lovecodeabc
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

inoking wrote:

#103:

lovecodeabc wrote:

rip nato
japan is not in nato yet
also btw no offence
Although you may already know,

It is not only out of this topic, but also teasing based on a political prejudice.
It can never be a joke.
I STRONGLY PROTEST IT.
ok, no political jokes.
lovecodeabc
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

CreatorBN wrote:

For removing the “Delete” thing:
Semi-support.
  • It annoys some people.
    If you really want to delete a comment, you would have to report it.
That would increase the number of un-detailed reports. Most of them would simply say “I want to delete this comment”.
Also.

White_Lord wrote:

Deleting comments can also be useful to delete accidental duplicate, comments with typos, accidental posted comments, or just outdated comments. It will also create a huge burden on the moderators. They don't remove a lot of inappropriate content for a year already.
_________________________________________

For making the Report form much better:
Semi-support.
  • There would be some people that might want to clean their profile and just say on the Report forum:
    “I wanna make my profile look clean”, as mentioned before.

My opinion:

Altough it has some downsides, it could still be added. Semi-support.
Sorry if I write incorrectly, I'm not from English.
Also, I hope my criticism was constructive.
You have good english
inoking:
Lists of suggestions are not allowed.
lm1996
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

jack0f_spades wrote:

Absolutely no support for the first one. This is their profile. While comments can follow the community guidelines, the user may still feel uncomfortable by certain comments. Isn't their feelings important? That person behind the screen is a human. They even may have even had it rough and thus have triggers. Also, some users really just want to clean up their profile and get rid of old/embarrassing comments.
Adding on to this point, some people may want to revamp their profile into organized comment sections and delete old comments/new ones that aren't replies to their comments, and this would be ridiculous.
fdreerf
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The ST have to go through all the reports. They can't just ignore some. Now if you take the 70+ million users, which are spread all over the world, and let's say that there are about 1 million reports a day.
Not every account is active. A much better statistic is the monthly active users, of which there are 1.66 million.
lovecodeabc
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

fdreerf wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The ST have to go through all the reports. They can't just ignore some. Now if you take the 70+ million users, which are spread all over the world, and let's say that there are about 1 million reports a day.
Not every account is active. A much better statistic is the monthly active users, of which there are 1.66 million.
OK, so let's say there are 250,000 reports a day for 46 ST members. BUT some work on developing. Let's say there are 40 ST members doing this(which is an overestimation.)
250,000 / 40 = 6250 reviewed reports needed each day, each ST member.
lm1996
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

lovecodeabc wrote:

fdreerf wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The ST have to go through all the reports. They can't just ignore some. Now if you take the 70+ million users, which are spread all over the world, and let's say that there are about 1 million reports a day.
Not every account is active. A much better statistic is the monthly active users, of which there are 1.66 million.
OK, so let's say there are 250,000 reports a day for 46 ST members. BUT some work on developing. Let's say there are 40 ST members doing this(which is an overestimation.)
250,000 / 40 = 6250 reviewed reports needed each day, each ST member.
Goodness that's a lot of reviewing.
AryWiz
Scratcher
100+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

No support.

I just deleted comments on my profile. But they were not reportable, so if the delete button vanished what sould I do??
It's only fair that you can moderate your own profile.

As for the second suggestion, no.

The scratch team can check the comment and see if it's bad. If you waste scratch teams time, you get warned.
inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

lovecodeabc wrote:

inoking:
Lists of suggestions are not allowed.
see #32, #46

If I created new topics for each idea, it would be confused.

Last edited by inoking (April 22, 2021 15:49:41)

inoking
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

#129:
What I mean is the priority, not ignoring.
Also, they can use some automation programs (maybe even now).

As no one knows the ST's circumstances, this discussion may be pointless.
Pianostar4
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Abandon the function to delete other people's comments on users' own profiles, and Refine "Report" form

@inoking Just stop. Nobody likes this idea. It's better to close this topic and stop talking about it. Deleting is an important feature of scratch thatnobody wants to give up.
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