Disclose Trending/Front Page Algorithm

Chiroyce

WindOctahedron wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
thisaccountisameme wrote:
I’ve heard @za-chary say that no one really knows how the trending algorithm works.
The people who made it know how it works (obviously).
No, that's not always the case.
I am not sure what method the algorithm uses, but if it relies on some kind of neural networks and/or machine learning, it's essentially a black box. I don't fully understand what they are, but I think the catch is that they can generate some kind of “code” themselves without input from its creators. What I certainly know is that even if you can view its “code”, it's probably so complex that no one can understand it.

I’m pretty sure people in this forum (especially applej who created it) is smart enough to know that.

Maximouse

Bump.

BaBy_Fin

implemented I think. Scratch is already open source, and you can edit code (or at least suggest the code to be changed) on Githnub. I think

Maximouse

BaBy_Fin wrote:
implemented I think. Scratch is already open source, and you can edit code (or at least suggest the code to be changed) on Githnub. I think

No, a large part of Scratch's code runs on the servers and is not open source.

the2000

I've changed my mind since my last post. Making these algorithms open source could lead the community to fix issues that Scratch Team apparently doesn't care enough to fix, like the reshare bug. I fully support this idea.

TheGlassPenguin

the2000 wrote:
Making these algorithms open source could lead the community to fix issues that Scratch Team apparently doesn't care enough to fix, like the reshare bug.

I support this topic for reasons stated above.

the2000

TheGlassPenguin wrote:
the2000 wrote:
Making these algorithms open source could lead the community to fix issues that Scratch Team apparently doesn't care enough to fix, like the reshare bug.
I support this topic for reasons stated above.

Please don't do that; it's very unconstructive.

bobcat0701

support if this is more secret than the us goverments underground chicken farms than …

ninjaMAR

Chiroyce wrote:
WindOctahedron wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
thisaccountisameme wrote:
I’ve heard @za-chary say that no one really knows how the trending algorithm works.
The people who made it know how it works (obviously).
No, that's not always the case.
I am not sure what method the algorithm uses, but if it relies on some kind of neural networks and/or machine learning, it's essentially a black box. I don't fully understand what they are, but I think the catch is that they can generate some kind of “code” themselves without input from its creators. What I certainly know is that even if you can view its “code”, it's probably so complex that no one can understand it.

I’m pretty sure people in this forum (especially applej who created it) is smart enough to know that.

If you make an algorithm that generates code, you should be able to link it.

-InsanityGames-

Anyway, support as we should know how it's done.

Maximouse

Bump.

cruncherBones

PaddlerGames wrote:
Semi-support. I think the Scratch Team should be more transparent about how the Explore/Trending/Search page algorithm works, but they shouldn't make it open source. They should talk about how why projects sometimes don't show on the Explore/Trending/Search pages, like they did for the front page in this topic: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/384726/

How can they be more transparant? And making it only sourced is the only way!!!!

AmazingMech2418

Support! Security through obscurity is not secure, so use open-source practices to improve the algorithm's downfalls!

Chiroyce

bump

Futurebot5

Bump

Maximouse

Bump.

lapisi

not only would this help with security, but it can also be useful for people who want to make a Scratch modification and want to also modify the front page system, FULL SUPPORT

gdpr5b78aa4361827f5c2a08d700

support, this could help people find and report or fix issues with it, and, being oss, scratch should have more transparency about these things.

also, obscurity != security and shouldn't be used to stop people “cheating”

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BarelySmooth

apple502j wrote:
- If there is a flaw with the system, there is now a possibility that good person will discover before bad person, allowing quicker patches.

The trending algorithm - it just works (for them, not for us). They wouldn't want to waste time on improving that.

AmazingMech2418

BarelySmooth wrote:
apple502j wrote:
- If there is a flaw with the system, there is now a possibility that good person will discover before bad person, allowing quicker patches.
The trending algorithm - it just works (for them, not for us). They wouldn't want to waste time on improving that.

How about the trending hack? XD

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