Charles12310 wrote:

Sheep_maker wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

Is there any evidence that talking about politics is forbidden or discouraged?

No, but they can lead to flame wars, and in this case, it's going off-topic

Just remember that mentioning other stuff can lead to flame wars and off-topic discussion.

What @MathlyCat said. Your statement is VERY ironic since you brought politics into a completely unrelated discussion which isn't something that everyone wants to hear about, especially since you brought a very controversial election outcome into your statement.

Anyways I definitely agree with this post, constructive feedback and criticism is more important than whether or not you support or don't support something; especially if the post only has the word “support” or “no support”.

MathlyCat wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

Sheep_maker wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

Is there any evidence that talking about politics is forbidden or discouraged?

No, but they can lead to flame wars, and in this case, it's going off-topic

Just remember that mentioning other stuff can lead to flame wars and off-topic discussion.

The irony in your statement…

Politics is not an encouraged or liked discussion to have because it can lead to pointless flame wars which, mind you, are against the community guidelines. And sorry for redundancy, but you clearly haven't seen the point.

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As I'm sure I have stated in the past. The idea of the suggestions forum is to provide feedback on new ideas. Simply saying ‘support’ to an idea does nothing but show you kinda went there and pressed a few buttons. Showing full acknowledgement and providing feedback in a constructive and well structured way will help the ST as well as the community in a whole.

1. Does the Terms of Use and the Community Guidelines discourage politics?
2. Do other topics not count even if flame wars start from them?
3. The user stated about politics in the OP. Why are you blaming it on me and not the user?

Charles12310 wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

The irony in your statement…

Politics is not an encouraged or liked discussion to have because it can lead to pointless flame wars which, mind you, are against the community guidelines. And sorry for redundancy, but you clearly haven't seen the point.

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As I'm sure I have stated in the past. The idea of the suggestions forum is to provide feedback on new ideas. Simply saying ‘support’ to an idea does nothing but show you kinda went there and pressed a few buttons. Showing full acknowledgement and providing feedback in a constructive and well structured way will help the ST as well as the community in a whole.

1. Does the Terms of Use and the Community Guidelines discourage politics?
2. Do other topics not count even if flame wars start from them?
3. The user stated about politics in the OP. Why are you blaming it on me and not the user?

But it's a basic unit of respect, people don't want to hear about politics. If they don't want to hear out politics, then don't smear it in their face. I'm sorry if I sound rude (I'm not trying to be and I'm not trying to offend you) but it doesn't matter what the guidelines say, have some respect for others and don't bring up politics.

Please bring whether or not politics is discouraged to a different topic; although politics may be comparable to the support conventions, it has brought us in an off-topic direction

I never started to go off-topic. I continued talking about the support/no support and then you people brought the politics back up to complain not to mention it.

Charles12310 wrote:

I never started to go off-topic. I continued talking about the support/no support and then you people brought the politics back up to complain not to mention it.

Don't create a scapegoat in this, you started it, and you participated in this political discussion, so don't create this illusion that you're completely innocent and didn't go off topic.

1002993 wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

I never started to go off-topic. I continued talking about the support/no support and then you people brought the politics back up to complain not to mention it.

Don't create a scapegoat in this, you started it, and you participated in this political discussion, so don't create this illusion that you're completely innocent and didn't go off topic.

1. Stop acting like you are threatening me even when you aren't! You are making me feel horrible right now (really, I'm not lying) and you are probably going to complain more that I can't control my emotions making me feel more horrible.
2. Look at the previous posts. I was mostly talking about constructivity with only a bit of politics and then someone told me something and that started the debate.
3. The OP first mentioned politics! Why are you blaming it on me and not the creator? The creator probably isn't active, but still.
4. It is not a crime to talk about politics.

Enough said. Let's get back on-topic.

Charles12310 wrote:

1002993 wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

I never started to go off-topic. I continued talking about the support/no support and then you people brought the politics back up to complain not to mention it.

Don't create a scapegoat in this, you started it, and you participated in this political discussion, so don't create this illusion that you're completely innocent and didn't go off topic.

1. Stop acting like you are threatening me even when you aren't! You are making me feel horrible right now (really, I'm not lying) and you are probably going to complain more that I can't control my emotions making me feel more horrible.
2. Look at the previous posts. I was mostly talking about constructivity with only a bit of politics and then someone told me something and that started the debate.
3. The OP first mentioned politics! Why are you blaming it on me and not the creator? The creator probably isn't active, but still.
4. It is not a crime to talk about politics.

Enough said. Let's get back on-topic.

Yeah we should move on, don't feel bad about yourself some people can act rude sometimes.

Charles12310 wrote:

1. Stop acting like you are threatening me even when you aren't! You are making me feel horrible right now (really, I'm not lying) and you are probably going to complain more that I can't control my emotions making me feel more horrible.
2. Look at the previous posts. I was mostly talking about constructivity with only a bit of politics and then someone told me something and that started the debate.
3. The OP first mentioned politics! Why are you blaming it on me and not the creator? The creator probably isn't active, but still.
4. It is not a crime to talk about politics.

Enough said. Let's get back on-topic.

Ok I'm sorry I didn't want to make it seem like I was trying to threaten you and I didn't want to be mean either. English isn't my first language so I keep things short which is why I come across as stern to people on the Internet. I don't want to make anyone feel guilty of anything so I hope you can forgive me.

seriously, let's get back on-topic NOW.

Bump. How come that this convention has been discouraged for years and yet still proliferates? It's like a hoard of cockroaches; impossible to eliminate.

the2000 wrote:

“Support” is a good way to end your posts.
Now choose. Would it be weird if I didn't summarize my opinion at the end?





lol get it it's weird

Normally I hate reading and/or bringing attention to my old posts, but this one was more interesting than anything because it illustrates how much I have changed as a person over the last five years or so. I've personally made a pledge to stop writing things like “support” or even “I support this suggestion”, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what 2016 me just said was a good idea.

A lot has changed since that post was created. Empty “support” and “no support” posts are pretty much gone, and the only people who make those now are people who are new to Suggestions. It's definitely not something that someone would be very popular for doing anymore. Support tallying is mostly gone as well, though it does unfortunately live on in some threads. All of these changes are definitely better in my opinion.

I'm not totally convinced about this idea though. As previously stated I have pretty much committed to the ideas given in the OP, but I'm not sure if I really want other people to ditch the whole support/no support thing all that much to be honest. I think that, in the context of 2016, the idea that the whole “supporting” idea could not conceivably be constructive was a lot more believable than it is now. It's possible to end a post with “support” or “no support” and, despite how tacky you and I might think it is, still be constructive. And I think that 2016 me would've been very happy to hear that.

…And then he would go on to write a bunch of terrible forum posts. Whatever, he'll become the best person in the entire universe some time down the line anyway

the worst post ever

No support
First of all, no support as “support” and “no support” is useful for identifying sides during a discussion or debate, and you can find how people thing about a topic without having to read all the posts, I think removing “support” and “no support” might do more harm than good

Second of all

VoltageGames wrote:

Donald Trump has a lot of support. Does that mean he should be our president?

Translation (at the time of your post): “The presidential candidate I support must be elected regardless of other people's opinions, I don't care if most people support him, my opinion is more important than everybody else's combined, I do not care nor respect other people's political opinions because I am the sole ruler of this country”

And also, the answer to your question is “yes” (at the time of your post) because you are not the king of America and it's a democratic country, so your opinion isn't worth more about everybody else's

I'm not saying Trump is good or something but your comparison is extremely politically biased and doesn't even make any sense

No support.
Edit: I'm not saying why for irony.

Bringing back this topic.

I'm not entirely sure on this one. While saying ‘support’ with no reasoning is annoying, I don't think the support/no support convention should be actively discouraged by the ST. The convention is a good way to prevent misunderstandings, and also, the ST actively discouraging phrases or conventions that are not inappropriate could seem like controlling the forums or ‘silencing voices’ to some Scratchers. (Ik that's a bit extreme, but still)

“No support” is very unfriendly to new forumers, and it ends up causing them to have an incorrect view on the forums.

No longer d saying “support” or “no support” really benefits forums as a whole, since if you don't see anyone saying it if you're new, you don't think it has much significance. Doing this causes a ripple effect of:

-User sees almost nobody is saying “support” or “no support” so it must be irrelevant
-Fewer users use the term unconstructively
-Reduced supporter lists
-Encourages users to be more constructive and clear in stating their opinion in other ways

I don't know. My way of explaining things is pretty scuffed, but as you can see, I made that whole post without stating my stance. But, based on the keywords I used, it should be pretty obvious.

edit: hm yes mobile is great i just typed “daying” instead of “saying”

dertermenter wrote:

No support. It is fine if you say why

Considering your siggy, it seems your view has changed

No support,

EatNYeet wrote:

“No support” is very unfriendly to new forumers, and it ends up causing them to have an incorrect view on the forums.

No it's not, new forumers or not, if you get mad because people isn't supporting your suggestion then it's entirely your fault, the world doesn't revolve around you and you shouldn't be expecting it to be doing so.

No longer d saying “support” or “no support” really benefits forums as a whole, since if you don't see anyone saying it if you're new, you don't think it has much significance. Doing this causes a ripple effect of:

-User sees almost nobody is saying “support” or “no support” so it must be irrelevant

But the support convention isn't a bad thing, I'll explain why, saying support and no support doesn't really do much harm, they are easy for identifying sides in a discussion without having to read all the posts, and could be used to state your opinion more clearly, I know the forums isn't a ballot box, but your opinion still matters to some degree.

-Fewer users use the term unconstructively

I think we are too late to stop this, a few years ago people say support without reasonings, when a newbie sees this they will do it too, when they does, we could just tell them don't say support without saying their reason, which means it's not a big problem.

-Reduced supporter lists

Although supporter lists can be annoying, I don't really see any major harm in having them

-Encourages users to be more constructive and clear in stating their opinion in other ways

You can be both constructive and state your opinions in a post, this one is an example.

I don't know. My way of explaining things is pretty scuffed, but as you can see, I made that whole post without stating my stance. But, based on the keywords I used, it should be pretty obvious.

I'm stating my stance but this post is still constructive, I just thinks there's both pros and cons to the support convention, but I think the pros outweighs the cons, just my opinion.

edit: hm yes mobile is great i just typed “daying” instead of “saying”

dertermenter wrote:

No support. It is fine if you say why

Considering your siggy, it seems your view has changed

lol.