Codeycat wrote:

Codeycat wrote:

secretagent123 wrote:

Codeycat wrote:

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secretagent123 wrote:

Those are our views as Christians and under the community guidelines must be respected. No support.

Excuse me? Those aren’t “views” it’s just homophobia. Religious views can cross a line when they oppress others.

The definition of homophobia is to hate LGBT people. You can still love the people like it says in the bible: love your neighbour as yourself and disagree with their views, without hating them.

The problem with that is, it’s not an opinion. It’s just who I am. You can still not hate me and be homophobic because you think it’s a sin when it’s perfectly valid, it’s just a fact.

Also, this is exactly what I was talking about, my livelihood is not up for debate. It is not something you can have a “view” on. If you think it is is sin or against God, you’re being homophobic. Being homophobic is more than harassing people for their sexuality, it’s also “not supporting but still loving” and “I have gay friends I just don’t agree with their lifestyle”. My “lifestyle” is me being alive.

I see where you are coming from and would like to see some sort of filter in place to deal with all forms of discrimination.

Support for the LGBTQ+ community is definitely something we as Scratch Team members would like to see. At the same time, we do not promote or denounce any widespread religions. With this, there are a few subtleties here.

Firstly, of course, not all Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin. So, for instance, the statements “I'm a Christian” or “I'm a Christian and support LGBTQ+” are okay to say on Scratch. The first one in particular is fine because they are just stating their religion, not any negative stances on LGBTQ+.

The example you give in the OP about homosexuality being against the Bible seems very iffy, leaning towards not okay. I'm not sure why you would want to tell someone that homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible unless you were trying to convince them that homosexuality is a sin (and, of course, it is not). I would definitely use the Report button on those types of comments. However, we do get lots of reports, and don't always get to them right away. I would suggest to keep reporting those sorts of comments if they are disrespectful.

I think a filter might be difficult to implement, however. What do we filter?

Exactly. Religion isn’t made to oppress people.

No support. Why?
1. Report them.

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Codeycat wrote:

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secretagent123 wrote:

Those are our views as Christians and under the community guidelines must be respected. No support.

Excuse me? Those aren’t “views” it’s just homophobia. Religious views can cross a line when they oppress others.

How is it opressing? You're just believing that gay is a sin but you're not saying that you have to be not gay.
3. Also I hate the word Homophobia. Homophobia literally means that you hate ALL peoples.

Rendangbike2 wrote:

3. Also I hate the word Homophobia. Homophobia literally means that you hate ALL peoples.

At the end of the day, a word means what the majority of people agree on it meaning. I personally hate when arguments devolve into arguing over the definition of a word.

I wholeheartedly agree that subtle homophobia should be stopped, but i don’t understand how an algorithm could work to detect it.

I still don't know if this counts a suggestion. Read the OP and tell me if they ever actually suggest anything. If you want to make a change in the Scratch community that's great, then you can't just suggest it and expect it to magically happen. (Haha, I wish, seeing the current state of animations on this site)

Rendangbike2 wrote:

3. Also I hate the word Homophobia. Homophobia literally means that you hate ALL peoples.

Nonononono. Scientifically, “homo” has two meanings:

1. In Greek, it means “same”, as in homozygotic, homosexual, etc.
   
2. In Latin, it means “human”, as in homo sapiens.
   

Since “homophobia” is derived from “homosexual”, the “homo” part means "same [gender* attraction]“, so it means ”same [gender attraction] hatred**“, not ”human hatred".

*Yes, i know that it's not “gender”, but I'm afraid to say the correct word.
**Originally, “phobia” meant “fear” in Greek, but its meaning is now extended to “hatred/disrespect”.

WindOctahedron wrote:

*Yes, i know that it's not “gender”, but I'm afraid to say the correct word.

It's actually blacklisted in the forums.

WindOctahedron wrote:

**Originally, “phobia” meant “fear” in Greek, but its meaning is now extended to “hatred/disrespect”.

It still means fear – homophobia is the only word in which it's (incorrectly) used to mean hatred.

WindOctahedron wrote:

**Originally, “phobia” meant “fear” in Greek, but its meaning is now extended to “hatred/disrespect”.

I dislike the word “homophobia” because it annoys me when “phobia” is used to mean anything other than “irrational fear,” but as I just said, I'm not allowed to decide what other people choose to say.

Edit: Wow, would you look at that! Ninja'd by someone who half-agrees with me.

Codeycat wrote:

No, no I do not think that. I just think that the modding has been lackluster.

That's not really true :P

Support!

secretagent123 wrote:

Codeycat wrote:

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secretagent123 wrote:

Those are our views as Christians and under the community guidelines must be respected. No support.

Excuse me? Those aren’t “views” it’s just homophobia. Religious views can cross a line when they oppress others.

The definition of homophobia is to hate LGBT people. You can still love the people like it says in the bible: love your neighbour as yourself and disagree with their views, without hating them.

wait.. did you just contradict yourself?

Closed as implemented!

This is already in place. The ST's stance is, “if you don't encourage it, don't say anything at all.” It's quite radical already. There is much to change at this point, and filtering, for example, “I don't support LGBTQ because”, “I do not support because I am a Christian”, etc, is going way too far.

I know a lot of Christian users who have been alerted, blocked or even banned for simply answering questions or posting Bible verses. They can't even answer the question “Do you support LGBTQ+?” without getting into trouble. No matter how polite we are, we get censored.

Consider this suggestion implemented.

Codeycat wrote:

Exactly. Religion isn’t made to oppress people.

True true

But like all things, a lot gets lost in the ever dark and highly confusing depths of interpretation and translation.

As a protestant myself, my opinions would probably be unpopular among a largely left-sided community, but as a gesture of respect I don't share them anyway. However, I do not believe mere verses in any religious text should be suppressed – a direct reading with a citable source is nowhere near discriminatory. I think it's better to just leave this as a grey area and let people subjectively decide if it's an actual attack according to their viewpoints and that of others.

If you want to stop all forms of say, Christian “homophobia,” you may as well just outlaw the Bible, the church, and cancel all the dissidents outright.

Just a quick appendix, I think.

Codeycat wrote:

But no, I may have sinned, but not for loving who I love. That will never been a sin as long as it is legal and consented.

That is a secular standpoint. I can't speak for other beliefs, but we Christians prefer to interpret things not at face value, but at that of God's value and purpose in something. I won't say it here since it might be disrespectful, but yeah: From a fine Christian's perspective, everyone sins anyway.

ResExsention wrote:

From a fine Christian's perspective, everyone sins anyway.

That is a good point. However, I still think that it's problematic to describe gay people as inherently more sinful than straight people. I personally heavily dislike Christianity (for the whole “everyone is sinful and liking our God is the only way to be forgiven” thing), but I don't care if you consider yourself a Christian as long as you're mindful of everyone. That's what I think the community guidelines really mean, not “love everyone or leave” as they seem to be commonly interpreted, but “live and let live”.

(I would say something like, “but let's get back to the suggestion”, but I still don't think that this counts a suggestion as much as it is a prompt for a political debate anyway.)

I didn’t know where to put it, but I wanted to voice my frustrations with homophobia on this site. I proved my point here with plenty of homophobic responses, it is NOT something your religion or any religion can justify. It is hate speech to imply this makes me sinful.

Codeycat wrote:

I didn’t know where to put it, but I wanted to voice my frustrations with homophobia on this site. I proved my point here with plenty of homophobic responses, it is NOT something your religion or any religion can justify. It is hate speech to imply this makes me sinful.

Okay, you're taking things far too personally to be reasonable. I've already stated that most versions of Christianity deem everyone sinful. You may not like it, but it's there.

What you're saying though, is that because you are among the people considered sinful, it is to be considered hate speech. That's like saying that person A should not be arrested for homicide because they're X or Y.

I didn't come here to argue – my stance remains the same.

Appendix again:

While I do agree that such “D but (slightly negative) E” are leaning a bit unwelcoming, such opinions should not be outright banned, and it's a bit strong to be calling such a thing “hate speech.” If someone quotes the Bible without the intent to attack, they're just reading a work that is proven to exist. It's mere existence does not equate to it being inappropriate.

My signature for instance: I quote Deut. 7:9. Because a variety of other verses contain content that might be considered “homophobic,” should I be considered a rule breaker?