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dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

I think there should be a new alert saying that you shouldn't publicly report on a scratch team members profile.

What it will say:
Please don't publicly report behaviour on a scratch team members profile, it may lead to drama from the person you are talking about. Instead, use the ‘report’ button to report any inappropriate behaviour. Thanks - Scratch team.
Comments that may have caused this message:
Please ban @dertermenter , he makes inappropriate studios and is rude on the forums. Plz ban immediatly


Pros:
Shows people that reporting behaviour on an ST member profile is not a good way to report behaviour.

Cons:
More work for the ST to implement a feature.

Got a mockup, or think the post should be worded better? Please say (also any mockups, can I use in this post)
Thanks for reading!

Last edited by dertermenter (Jan. 25, 2021 09:42:48)

cruncherBones
Scratcher
500+ posts

New alert

Support as it may make Za-Chary open comments
the2000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

I think that it should give you a popup before you comment on a Scratch Team member's profile instead, something like:
Hey there! This comments section is only for personal matters regarding the user @username. Please use this comments section similarly to how you would for a friend's account. If you post your report here, it will most likely be ignored or deleted. If you want to report anything to the Scratch Team, please use the report button on the content, or the contact us page if none exists. Scratch on!
That's not perfect but you get my idea. It would be better to implement a preventative measure than to create a way to punish those who unknowingly break the rule. And if you add this measure and they still ignore it, then I guess that's where this suggestion could fit in. So, I technically do support this, but I think that better ways could be implemented.
dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

the2000 wrote:

I think that it should give you a popup before you comment on a Scratch Team member's profile instead, something like:
Hey there! This comments section is only for personal matters regarding the user @username. Please use this comments section similarly to how you would for a friend's account. If you post your report here, it will most likely be ignored or deleted. If you want to report anything to the Scratch Team, please use the report button on the content, or the contact us page if none exists. Scratch on!
That's not perfect but you get my idea. It would be better to implement a preventative measure than to create a way to punish those who unknowingly break the rule. And if you add this measure and they still ignore it, then I guess that's where this suggestion could fit in. So, I technically do support this, but I think that better ways could be implemented.
hmm. But what happens if it is nothing to do with reporting on a st profile and it still detects? Or they don't put a @?. I personally still like my suggestion better.
daniferaner
Scratcher
100+ posts

New alert

It should not lead to a ban but support
the2000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

dertermenter wrote:

the2000 wrote:

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hmm. But what happens if it is nothing to do with reporting on a st profile and it still detects? Or they don't put a @?. I personally still like my suggestion better.
It's not supposed to detect anything. Think about it similar to the “this user is new to Scratch” message that sometimes comes up when you're writing a comment. When you click on the comment-writing box or whatever, a little message explaining what to use a Scratch Team member's profile for would pop up, and it would disappear when you click off of it.
dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

the2000 wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

the2000 wrote:

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hmm. But what happens if it is nothing to do with reporting on a st profile and it still detects? Or they don't put a @?. I personally still like my suggestion better.
It's not supposed to detect anything. Think about it similar to the “this user is new to Scratch” message that sometimes comes up when you're writing a comment. When you click on the comment-writing box or whatever, a little message explaining what to use a Scratch Team member's profile for would pop up, and it would disappear when you click off of it.
Never seen that message

But it may not be relevant to what someone is saying. Also an alert shows it is more important
the2000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

dertermenter wrote:

But it may not be relevant to what someone is saying. Also an alert shows it is more important
It doesn't matter if it's relevant to what the user is typing, it's not a very distracting message and can easily be ignored if you already know what you're doing. The problem with your suggestion is that an alert is given once the offense has already been committed. Yes it shows that it is more important, but at that point the damage has already been done, not to mention that it does nothing to alert first-time users. Young children don't live in the fourth dimension, adding this alert wouldn't negate the spam problem.

Most people who post reports on Scratch Team profiles are new users who don't know any better. Why give them no clear indication that they're doing anything wrong and then hit them with a menacing alert message when you can just give a casual popup beforehand and avoid getting spammed in the first place? And seeing how bad the spam problem is on Scratch Team member profiles is, potentially bothering a few experienced users should barely even be considered a side effect.

Edit: Typo

Last edited by the2000 (Jan. 25, 2021 11:40:35)

dertermenter_easy
Scratcher
58 posts

New alert

the2000 wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

But it may not be relevant to what someone is saying. Also an alert shows it is more important
It doesn't matter if it's relevant to what the user is typing, it's not a very distracting message and can easily be ignored if you already know what you're doing. The problem with your suggestion is that an alert is given once the offense has already been committed. Yes it shows that it is more important, but at that point the damage has already been done, not to mention that it does nothing to alert first-time users. Young children don't live in the fourth dimension, adding this alert wouldn't negate the spam problem.

Most people who post reports on Scratch Team profiles are new users who don't know any better. Why give them no clear indication that they're doing anything wrong and then hit them with a menacing alert message when you can just give a casual popup beforehand and avoid getting spammed in the first place? And seeing how bad the spam problem is on Scratch Team member profiles is, potentially bothering a few experienced users should barely even be considered a side effect.

Edit: Typo
they need to learn the tough way. An alert is menacing. Makes kids gulp.
the2000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

dertermenter_easy wrote:

the2000 wrote:

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they need to learn the tough way. An alert is menacing. Makes kids gulp.
It's not Scratch Team's job to menace children. “Making kids gulp” will do nothing to stop the spam problem.
dertermenter
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

the2000 wrote:

dertermenter_easy wrote:

the2000 wrote:

-snip-
they need to learn the tough way. An alert is menacing. Makes kids gulp.
It's not Scratch Team's job to menace children. “Making kids gulp” will do nothing to stop the spam problem.
It will. They will feel worried. Menance. Dark thoughts by an alert. Everything negative. These menacing alerts make sure 6 year old Jimmy will never to that again.
the2000
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

dertermenter wrote:

the2000 wrote:

It's not Scratch Team's job to menace children. “Making kids gulp” will do nothing to stop the spam problem.
It will. They will feel worried. Menance. Dark thoughts by an alert. Everything negative. These menacing alerts make sure 6 year old Jimmy will never to that again.
Emphasis on “again.” As in, he's already done it. These are the two scenarios:
the2000's notification utopia
remember kids, the difference between a dystopia and a utopia is that one has a better scratch warning system
  • Kid sees something inappropriate.
  • They go to a popular Scratch Team member's profile to report the situation.
  • The warning notification pops up.
  • Kid reads it and reports the inappropriate content the correct way.
  • The inappropriate content is taken down, the kid is not given a warning, and the Scratch Team member's profile did not receive a spam message.
dertermenter's alert dystopia
ditto
  • Kid sees something inappropriate.
  • They go to a popular Scratch Team member's profile to report the situation.
  • No indication is immediately given that anything has been done wrong when the comment is being written.
  • The inappropriate content remains on the site, the kid is given a warning, the Scratch Team member's profile did receive a spam message, and the kid probably wet his pants or something.
dertermenter_easy
Scratcher
58 posts

New alert

the2000 wrote:

dertermenter wrote:

the2000 wrote:

It's not Scratch Team's job to menace children. “Making kids gulp” will do nothing to stop the spam problem.
It will. They will feel worried. Menance. Dark thoughts by an alert. Everything negative. These menacing alerts make sure 6 year old Jimmy will never to that again.
Emphasis on “again.” As in, he's already done it. These are the two scenarios:
the2000's notification utopia
remember kids, the difference between a dystopia and a utopia is that one has a better scratch warning system
  • Kid sees something inappropriate.
  • They go to a popular Scratch Team member's profile to report the situation.
  • The warning notification pops up.
  • Kid reads it and reports the inappropriate content the correct way.
  • The inappropriate content is taken down, the kid is not given a warning, and the Scratch Team member's profile did not receive a spam message.
dertermenter's alert dystopia
ditto
  • Kid sees something inappropriate.
  • They go to a popular Scratch Team member's profile to report the situation.
  • No indication is immediately given that anything has been done wrong when the comment is being written.
  • The inappropriate content remains on the site, the kid is given a warning, the Scratch Team member's profile did receive a spam message, and the kid probably wet his pants or something.
hmm.. good idea.. I can see where you are coming form. Maybe if ignoring this message and continues, then send a alert??
Za-Chary
Scratcher
1000+ posts

New alert

Honestly, any Scratch Team member could already send an alert for publicly reporting stuff on their profile — it spreads gossip, which is against the Community Guidelines. In particular, we could send the exact message stated in the OP if we wanted to (or change it up a bit). So I would say that this is already implemented, and I will close it as such.

That being said, I usually don't send alerts to those who publicly report stuff on my profile. I just delete the comments without taking action. Other Scratch Team members leave up the comments but ignore them, others help out, and maybe some send alerts (not sure on that). If we wanted to, however, we could send alerts for it. But there are more important things to send alerts for (inappropriate activity, etc.) and this could also be remedied simply by closing comments on our profiles anyway.

cruncherBones wrote:

Support as it may make Za-Chary open comments
Not true. Public reports are not the reason why I closed comments.

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