Onion Skins and Scratch

NanoPIex

What's onion skins?

Maximouse

NanoPIex wrote:
What's onion skins?

Original post wrote:
For those who don't know what an onion skin is, it's the option to show a ghost image of the previous costume on the drawing screen, without it actually being part of that costume.

NanoPIex

Maximouse wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
What's onion skins?
Original post wrote:
For those who don't know what an onion skin is, it's the option to show a ghost image of the previous costume on the drawing screen, without it actually being part of that costume.

Oh, thanks! Can't you just ghost effect?

Maximouse

NanoPIex wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
What's onion skins?
Original post wrote:
For those who don't know what an onion skin is, it's the option to show a ghost image of the previous costume on the drawing screen, without it actually being part of that costume.
Oh, thanks! Can't you just ghost effect?

No, this would be a paint editor feature.

-WoollyBear-

It’s kinda weird that there’s so many people who are so adamant that they don’t want this feature. Scratch at this point is not just a website made for games. There are a host of animators and artists here, so new features should be added to address that. Onion skin is a basic animation feature that would take no time at all to implement. This doesn’t come at a loss of anything else. It’s a win-win. Even programmers could make good use of this feature. Animated sprites can add a sort of polish to games in a way and make them more immersive. And yes, you can duplicate the past costume. But you need to erase everything away that isn’t needed, which is very time consuming. I know that as a young artist on my old account, I didn’t really have the means to download animation software like FireAlpaca since my computer was very slow and I wasn’t allowed to download anything. Plus, it’s nice to be able to do everything for a project in one place. And yes; there is an online animation program as well called Piskel. Though it’s primarily used for pixel art, a friend of mine did use it for a time to create animations. Though; it is primarily meant for pixel art, so the interface is less than ideal, and the program can have trouble with large canvas sizes and often gets laggy or crashes. Plus, if I’m not mistaken, that program is going download only due the to all the death of Flash business.

Tl;dr, there’s literally no reason for onion skins not to be a feature.

-WoollyBear-

rainbowkangaroo wrote:
-WoollyBear- wrote:
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Tl;dr, there’s literally no reason for onion skins not to be a feature.
I know! The reasons that non-supporters have given for this to not be a feature so far are so minor, and underestimating the intelligence of kids. Like, what's so hard to understand about a layer based on the previous costume that you can use to keep the next ones more consistent looking?

Yeah! Like someone pointed out earlier in this thread, Flipnote is targeted towards kids, and as an eight-year-old, I had no problem figuring it out. If it's really that much of an issue, if an onion skin mode button were to be implemented then they could add a little popup when you hover over it that says something along the lines of “What is onion skin?”, which links to where you can find out more about onion skinning. Honestly, there are also plenty of blocks here that are much harder for children to understand anyway, so should we remove those because it's too hard?

bywok

Why hasn't Scratch decided whether or not they should add this yet? It's been 7 years and the only time they've talked on this thread is to close it down because this guy kept arguing with us.

-WoollyBear-

bywok wrote:
Why hasn't Scratch decided whether or not they should add this yet? It's been 7 years and the only time they've talked on this thread is to close it down because this guy kept arguing with us.

Your guess is as good as mine. This is a commonly requested feature.

-PhoenixAnimates-

*not related* My post was removed cause I advertised a browser extension (I didn't even know the rule was there, oops)

But anyway,

Support because animators deserve features, too.

KevinCreator

lalala3 wrote:
jvvg wrote:
This might be a bit too advanced for newer users, but I think this would be a cool addition.
…Right, because people are invariably incapable of using Google until they've been on Scratch for at least a month, at shortest. Totally.

Lol I support this.

KevinCreator

secretagent123 wrote:
No support. Scratch's primary purpose is not animating. To use this tool use animation software and import the frames to scratch.

Currently, society thinks that children are idiots who cannot tell the difference between an orange and an apple. This is NOT so, children have an immense capacity to learn, understand, and perform activities or functions DAY TO DAY. Don't tell me that “new scratchers” (usually kids) can't understand what a stupid “onion skin” button is for.

KevinCreator

I support more or less. I have recently been using [removed - please don't link to extensions], and there is an Onion skin feature, so I am not so concerned about having it or not. Although I understand that not all people know or use it so I support that point.

Last edited by Harakou (Dec. 21, 2020 05:21:49)

secretagent123

KevinCreator wrote:
secretagent123 wrote:
No support. Scratch's primary purpose is not animating. To use this tool use animation software and import the frames to scratch.
Currently, society thinks that children are idiots who cannot tell the difference between an orange and an apple. This is NOT so, children have an immense capacity to learn, understand, and perform activities or functions DAY TO DAY. Don't tell me that “new scratchers” (usually kids) can't understand what a stupid “onion skin” button is for.

That's not what I am saying. Scratch is not animating software. I am perfectly aware that everyone would be able to understand the feature however, this feature should not be added for reasons in the earlier sentance.

secretagent123

NanoPIex wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
What's onion skins?
Original post wrote:
For those who don't know what an onion skin is, it's the option to show a ghost image of the previous costume on the drawing screen, without it actually being part of that costume.
Oh, thanks! Can't you just ghost effect?

Ghost effect is a suitable workaround that should be employed if you must use this feature.

define Onion skin
set [ ghost] effect to (70)
stamp
set [ ghost] effect to (0)

mtech22

secretagent123 wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
Maximouse wrote:
NanoPIex wrote:
What's onion skins?
Original post wrote:
For those who don't know what an onion skin is, it's the option to show a ghost image of the previous costume on the drawing screen, without it actually being part of that costume.
Oh, thanks! Can't you just ghost effect?
Ghost effect is a suitable workaround that should be employed if you must use this feature.
define Onion skin
set [ ghost] effect to (70)
stamp
set [ ghost] effect to (0)

Onion skin would be in the costume editor, not there.

-WoollyBear-

secretagent123 wrote:
Ghost effect is a suitable workaround that should be employed if you must use this feature.
define Onion skin
set [ ghost] effect to (70)
stamp
set [ ghost] effect to (0)

Ghost effect is not a suitable or ideal replacement. To do so you would have to look at the stage whilst simultaneously drawing on the art editor, which is not an easy task.

secretagent123 wrote:
Scratch is not animating software. I am perfectly aware that everyone would be able to understand the feature however, this feature should not be added for reasons in the earlier sentance.

Yet there's still a thriving community of animators on Scratch. Just hitting the explore tab, you can see a huge amount of animations. There's even an animation tab. Yes, Scratch is primarily meant for games, but at the end of the day, it's simply an easy-to-use coding language that is often used to create animations, games, and so much more than that. I also mentioned in an above message that game designers can also benefit from it by using it to create animated sprites for games.

Edit:

Scratch About Tab wrote:
With Scratch, you can program your own interactive stories, games, and animations — and share your creations with others in the online community.

Scratch Team clearly recognizes the fact that animations are created with the coding language, so much so that they state it in the first sentence of their About page.

Last edited by -WoollyBear- (Dec. 21, 2020 18:47:34)

bywok

secretagent123 wrote:
That's not what I am saying. Scratch is not animating software. I am perfectly aware that everyone would be able to understand the feature however, this feature should not be added for reasons in the earlier sentance.

We're not saying that animation is what Scratch was *made* for, we're just saying that animation on Scratch has a big and loyal community and has become a giant aspect of Scratch.

bywok

secretagent123 wrote:
Ghost effect is a suitable workaround that should be employed if you must use this feature.
define Onion skin
set [ ghost] effect to (70)
stamp
set [ ghost] effect to (0)

That's… not how it works. I mean, sure, you can do that, it could happen, but the thing is it wouldn't appear in the editor. Not a suitable workaround, sorry.

ForumHelperNanoPiex

NanoPIex wrote:
Lukia26 wrote:
Yeah I agree XD It would make it a lot easier for me and my animations though.

Support for the above reason!

Support for the above reason!

-PhoenixAnimates-

secretagent123 wrote:
KevinCreator wrote:
secretagent123 wrote:
No support. Scratch's primary purpose is not animating. To use this tool use animation software and import the frames to scratch.
Currently, society thinks that children are idiots who cannot tell the difference between an orange and an apple. This is NOT so, children have an immense capacity to learn, understand, and perform activities or functions DAY TO DAY. Don't tell me that “new scratchers” (usually kids) can't understand what a stupid “onion skin” button is for.
That's not what I am saying. Scratch is not animating software. I am perfectly aware that everyone would be able to understand the feature however, this feature should not be added for reasons in the earlier sentance.

Wick editor is not technically an animation software and it has onion skin

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