this happened to me, although i've never been on trending. My newest game, run 3 got 20k+ views and 1k+ loves in 1 day due to getting curated and is nowhere on trending, even dozens of pages down, even though there are many older and less popular games there. It doesn't even show in trending search results, even though the top trending result for run 3 is a remix and has like 2 views.

-Impeccable- wrote:

I would say, yes this has happened a lot and I have seen it too, but when a project gets featured, it usually isn't even on trending! After it is featured, only the remixes get on trending. I don't really know what is happening here, though, like the mass reporting too! I saw a scratch was about to post a very exciting project, then he got banned for 2 weeks just because of mass reporting out of jealousy!

Remember retro dance that was featured? it was on trending.

Chiroyce wrote:

lazer54321 wrote:

your edit is actually a really good idea. if a project has 50+ loves it probably wont be bad, but then scratch wouldnt give us projects made by the same people on there.. its ALWAYS meme projects. some are good, but some just dont deserve it, like (i am just picking one out) Ghost dog. thats fine. THEN ANOTHER ONE called ghost dog. what. like, not saying they are bad becaues there not its just when 5 of ur projects get trending that took like 5 minutes to make it gets annoying for people who spent hours upon hours, days even to get barely 50 loves.

Thats the exact problem. Effort gets unnoticed.

I know like even I worked on games that never go on trending or anything. IDK how people gain so many followers cause To me it just seems like they Do F4F or something.

wait, why can I post something?

AngadKocharRocksYT wrote:

Chiroyce wrote:

lazer54321 wrote:

your edit is actually a really good idea. if a project has 50+ loves it probably wont be bad, but then scratch wouldnt give us projects made by the same people on there.. its ALWAYS meme projects. some are good, but some just dont deserve it, like (i am just picking one out) Ghost dog. thats fine. THEN ANOTHER ONE called ghost dog. what. like, not saying they are bad becaues there not its just when 5 of ur projects get trending that took like 5 minutes to make it gets annoying for people who spent hours upon hours, days even to get barely 50 loves.

Thats the exact problem. Effort gets unnoticed.

I know like even I worked on games that never go on trending or anything. IDK how people gain so many followers cause To me it just seems like they Do F4F or something.

yeah tbh they probably do

SlenTheOoof wrote:

this happened to me, although i've never been on trending. My newest game, run 3 got 20k+ views and 1k+ loves in 1 day due to getting curated and is nowhere on trending, even dozens of pages down, even though there are many older and less popular games there. It doesn't even show in trending search results, even though the top trending result for run 3 is a remix and has like 2 views.

if ur project is front paged it cant get on trending i think (except what community is remixing/loving)

oh woew

It's been mentioned that if people with lots of followers were allowed to trend then they would always trend with their projects but why is that a problem? Surely they've amassed followers from making projects that are respected and enjoyed? I would expect their projects to trend for a week or two. The point is that they don't release projects often as so much work goes into them. If they started throwing frequent projects out that were lower quality then people would stop paying attention to their projects. It's not that the trending pages would be constantly full of only Scratchers with lots of followers at all. Trending should highlight projects that are actually trending (in my opinion).

RokCoder wrote:

It's been mentioned that if people with lots of followers were allowed to trend then they would always trend with their projects but why is that a problem?

Agreed. Trending should be calculated based on the project's statistics alone.

This is what I think is happening.
- Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending. This explains why there’s no famous scratcher on trending (they get over 100 love after they share something) and why 2nd server of popular cloud games get on trending. Once i made a cloud game that got just over 100 loves in the first day and it did not get on trending. On the opposite the 2nd server of this game, which only had 50 loves, got on trending. This makes no sense to me cause trending mean ‘’what being viewed the most right now.’’ Sometime you see projects from famous scratchers on trending but that’s because they are smaller projects so they got less then 100 loves.

-Trending hacks like resharing a project, putting tags in the title, spamming hundreds of tags in the description and only putting one tag as a description will make a project go way higher on the trending page. There is now not a single project in the animations or games tab that do not use them. You can go check it out if you don’t believe me. Now so many people use them that it completely randomize what is shown on the trending.

Some people may think that trending is not important, but we do not all think the same way. The trending page is for me the best place to see creative projects in which a lot of efforts was putted into. They are fun, entertaining and they show what we really are able to do with Scratch. At least they used too… The explore page is why scratch is more then anything a community and not just a tool. That why I think it should be fair and why I think it should be fixed.

alexandretherrien wrote:

This is what I think is happening.
- Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending. This explains why there’s no famous scratcher on trending (they get over 100 love after they share something) and why 2nd server of popular cloud games get on trending. Once i made a cloud game that got just over 100 loves in the first day and it did not get on trending. On the opposite the 2nd server of this game, which only had 50 loves, got on trending. This makes no sense to me cause trending mean ‘’what being viewed the most right now.’’ Sometime you see projects from famous scratchers on trending but that’s because they are smaller projects so they got less then 100 loves.

-Trending hacks like resharing a project, putting tags in the title, spamming hundreds of tags in the description and only putting one tag as a description will make a project go way higher on the trending page. There is now not a single project in the animations or games tab that do not use them. You can go check it out if you don’t believe me. Now so many people use them that it completely randomize what is shown on the trending.

Some people may think that trending is not important, but we do not all think the same way. The trending page is for me the best place to see creative projects in which a lot of efforts was putted into. They are fun, entertaining and they show what we really are able to do with Scratch. At least they used too… The explore page is why scratch is more then anything a community and not just a tool. That why I think it should be fair and why I think it should be fixed.

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/441647443
ye true. also there seem to be some codes that get projects on trending. this was the second project i saw. see its name

alexandretherrien wrote:

This is what I think is happening.
- Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending.

This, or something along these lines, might be the case. If it is, it would certainly be interesting to hear from someone in the Scratch Team explain why they think this is a good idea. To be clear, I think this would be a very bad idea. Unjust, and not yielding relevant results.

cs2864124 wrote:

alexandretherrien wrote:

This is what I think is happening.
- Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending. This explains why there’s no famous scratcher on trending (they get over 100 love after they share something) and why 2nd server of popular cloud games get on trending. Once i made a cloud game that got just over 100 loves in the first day and it did not get on trending. On the opposite the 2nd server of this game, which only had 50 loves, got on trending. This makes no sense to me cause trending mean ‘’what being viewed the most right now.’’ Sometime you see projects from famous scratchers on trending but that’s because they are smaller projects so they got less then 100 loves.

-Trending hacks like resharing a project, putting tags in the title, spamming hundreds of tags in the description and only putting one tag as a description will make a project go way higher on the trending page. There is now not a single project in the animations or games tab that do not use them. You can go check it out if you don’t believe me. Now so many people use them that it completely randomize what is shown on the trending.

Some people may think that trending is not important, but we do not all think the same way. The trending page is for me the best place to see creative projects in which a lot of efforts was putted into. They are fun, entertaining and they show what we really are able to do with Scratch. At least they used too… The explore page is why scratch is more then anything a community and not just a tool. That why I think it should be fair and why I think it should be fixed.

https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/441647443
ye true. also there seem to be some codes that get projects on trending. this was the second project i saw. see its name

also this https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/435834902

alexandretherrien wrote:

This is what I think is happening.
- Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending. This explains why there’s no famous scratcher on trending (they get over 100 love after they share something) and why 2nd server of popular cloud games get on trending. Once i made a cloud game that got just over 100 loves in the first day and it did not get on trending. On the opposite the 2nd server of this game, which only had 50 loves, got on trending. This makes no sense to me cause trending mean ‘’what being viewed the most right now.’’ Sometime you see projects from famous scratchers on trending but that’s because they are smaller projects so they got less then 100 loves.

-Trending hacks like resharing a project, putting tags in the title, spamming hundreds of tags in the description and only putting one tag as a description will make a project go way higher on the trending page. There is now not a single project in the animations or games tab that do not use them. You can go check it out if you don’t believe me. Now so many people use them that it completely randomize what is shown on the trending.

Some people may think that trending is not important, but we do not all think the same way. The trending page is for me the best place to see creative projects in which a lot of efforts was putted into. They are fun, entertaining and they show what we really are able to do with Scratch. At least they used too… The explore page is why scratch is more then anything a community and not just a tool. That why I think it should be fair and why I think it should be fixed.

Great post, and I agree, I think something like this is what must be happening. I would also like to add if this IS the case, it's a really badly thought out idea, and dis-incentivises people from putting any amount of effort into their projects.

This might be a little unfair in some cases, but if the ST were to change the trending algorithm then maybe they could add a ‘feature’ that only allows one project - by a user - to be on trending! In my personal experience, there was a user who was using tags in the title etc and has recently shared around three projects. All of them got on trending. In my opinion, I don’t think this is fair because 1. They were using tags to help increase the potential of getting on trending therefore becoming a ‘famous’ scratcher 2. They were ‘using up’ all the trending space. They had all three projects on the first row of trending and left all the actually descent projects at the bottom!! This is extremely unfair as there are many amazing projects that didn’t get as much ‘clout’ because of this user. 3. This is just my view, but the projects were pretty unoriginal and ‘unworthy’ of trending. You could tell that the user only spent around half an hour on each and didn’t really give it much though. They stole ideas, an art style and it just wasn’t what you’d want to see on trending!!

I apologise in advance for any grammar and spelling mistakes - I’m on my phone and autocorrect doesn’t like me very much!!
Thank you for listening to my view :>

thoughtfuI wrote:

There was a user who was using tags in the title etc and has recently shared around three project, all of them got on trending. In my opinion, I don’t think this is fair because 1. They were using tags to help increase the potential of getting on trending therefor becoming a ‘famous’ scratcher 2. They were ‘using up’ all the trending space. They had all three projects on the first row of trending and left all the actually descent projects at the bottom!! This is extremely unfair as there are many amazing projects that didn’t get as much ‘clout’ because of this user. 3.They stole ideas, an art style and it just wasn’t what you’d want to see on trending!

You are correct, that is another problem. There seems to be a great increase in the number of people who make unoriginal projects. If they do want to make such projects, their projects can get into the stories or animation sections of trending. All is meant to be all the original projects that have gotten a lot of loves/views in a specific period of time.

thoughtfuI wrote:

This might be a little unfair in some cassis but if the ST were to change the trending algorithm then maybe they could add a ‘feature’ that only allows one project ,by a user, can be on trending! I my personal experience, there was a user who was using tags in the title etc and has recently shared around three project, all of them got on trending. In my opinion, I don’t think this is fair because 1. They were using tags to help increase the potential of getting on trending therefor becoming a ‘famous’ scratcher 2. They were ‘using up’ all the trending space. They had all three projects on the first row of trending and left all the actually descent projects at the bottom!! This is extremely unfair as there are many amazing projects that didn’t get as much ‘clout’ because of this user. 3. This is just my view, but the projects were pretty unoriginal and ‘unworthy’ of trending. You could tell that the user only spent around half an hour on each and didn’t really give it much though. They stole ideas, an art style and it just wasn’t what you’d want to see on trending!!

I might agree with you on the quality of many of the projects I see on trending, but I don't think neither mine nor your opinion on projects should be a factor in the Trending algorithm. If the Scratch Team are to call it Trending, I think only statistics such as views, loves and faves should factor in. Additionally, personally I don't have a problem with the people using hashtags and resharing. If we want hashtags and resharing to stop, we need to make it so it doesn't pay off.

kriblo wrote:

thoughtfuI wrote:

This might be a little unfair in some cassis but if the ST were to change the trending algorithm then maybe they could add a ‘feature’ that only allows one project ,by a user, can be on trending! I my personal experience, there was a user who was using tags in the title etc and has recently shared around three project, all of them got on trending. In my opinion, I don’t think this is fair because 1. They were using tags to help increase the potential of getting on trending therefor becoming a ‘famous’ scratcher 2. They were ‘using up’ all the trending space. They had all three projects on the first row of trending and left all the actually descent projects at the bottom!! This is extremely unfair as there are many amazing projects that didn’t get as much ‘clout’ because of this user. 3. This is just my view, but the projects were pretty unoriginal and ‘unworthy’ of trending. You could tell that the user only spent around half an hour on each and didn’t really give it much though. They stole ideas, an art style and it just wasn’t what you’d want to see on trending!!

I might agree with you on the quality of many of the projects I see on trending, but I don't think neither mine nor your opinion on projects should be a factor in the Trending algorithm. If the Scratch Team are to call it Trending, I think only statistics such as views, loves and faves should factor in. Additionally, personally I don't have a problem with the people using hashtags and resharing. If we want hashtags and resharing to stop, we need to make it so it doesn't pay off.

Yeah, 1 project on trending at a time

lazer54321 wrote:

Yeah, 1 project on trending at a time

I don't see that as being important. I don't see re-sharing or hashtags as being important. People should be able to re-share or hashtag to their heart's delight. The point being that it shouldn't affect a project's position in trending. If the trending worked correctly then people would be unlikely to have multiple projects trending at once as trending projects are likely to be the ones where a lot of work has gone into them and not the current one hour jobs that are everywhere.

It all comes down to the ST sorting out a straightforward system for trending that can't be manipulated by Scratchers in any way.

alexandretherrien wrote:

Projects that get over a certain amount of loves and faves (like over 100) in the first day after it was shared can not go on trending.

If this is true (and it seems like it is) it was probably intended to be a temporary solution to the reshare hack, but now prevents good projects from getting to Trending.