References about Beating / Whipping / Caning a Kid in Projects

Byron_Inc

So I was making an animation about parents, and I was thinking about parents caning kids. Are about parents caning a kid or a teacher caning students with a rattan like the picture below allowed?
I know it might not be an accepted way to teach kids in the Western Culture, but that's how parts of (or the whole?) Asians teach kids.
Oh, another question, are you allowed to make the kids show marks (exaggerated or not) of being beaten?

Last edited by Byron_Inc (Oct. 9, 2020 06:09:46)

ittybitmap

if its educational for history and maybe comedy yes

scratchykit5743

paddle-to-the-butt slapstick comedy was what they did as school punishments in the old days, so maybe it would be a good replacement for caning.

Byron_Inc

ittybitmap wrote:
if its educational for history and maybe comedy yes

Uh, like how some kid's parents want to punish him nowadays. Not a few hundred years ago. These things still happens today. (I got in a little fight with my mum today, I'm afraid that she will use that… Fortunately she didn't lol.)

ittybitmap

Byron_Inc wrote:
ittybitmap wrote:
if its educational for history and maybe comedy yes
Uh, like how some kid's parents want to punish him nowadays. Not a few hundred years ago. These things still happens today. (I got in a little fight with my mum today, I'm afraid that she will use that… Fortunately she didn't lol.)

i know i thought people stopped using caners and started using belts

pavcato

I have Mexican parents and this is relatable. It can probably be used in a comedic context.

FloralAnimator

ittybitmap wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
ittybitmap wrote:
if its educational for history and maybe comedy yes
Uh, like how some kid's parents want to punish him nowadays. Not a few hundred years ago. These things still happens today. (I got in a little fight with my mum today, I'm afraid that she will use that… Fortunately she didn't lol.)
i know i thought people stopped using caners and started using belts

Yeah..its child abuse and illegal in many places now..

MrFluffyPenguins

Wouldn't this be child abuse?

fdreerf

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?

Laws and traditions are different in different places of the world. Most western cultures consider this abuse, others consider it acceptable.

Byron_Inc

Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?

NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:

严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel

棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.

Last edited by Byron_Inc (Oct. 9, 2020 05:54:18)

FloralAnimator

Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.

Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.

Byron_Inc

FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.

Okay, so beating a child for the sake of making him obey some rules shouldn't be under this rule, right? It shouldn't be considered “child abuse”, I think.
China is not the only country that uses Chinese. I think China used to beat children whenever their kids break rules a few hundred years ago, as it's a proverb, it might not be showing lives nowadays.

Last edited by Byron_Inc (Oct. 9, 2020 06:22:57)

FloralAnimator

Byron_Inc wrote:
FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.
Okay, so beating a child for the sake of making him obey some rules shouldn't be under this rule, right? It shouldn't be considered “child abuse”, I think.
China is not the only country that uses Chinese. I think China used to beat children whenever their kids break rules a few hundred years ago, as it's a proverb, it might not be showing lives nowadays.

Hmm,nowdays parents might get arrested for child abuse,I don't know about china though.

Byron_Inc

FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
FloralAnimator wrote:
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.
Okay, so beating a child for the sake of making him obey some rules shouldn't be under this rule, right? It shouldn't be considered “child abuse”, I think.
China is not the only country that uses Chinese. I think China used to beat children whenever their kids break rules a few hundred years ago, as it's a proverb, it might not be showing lives nowadays.
Hmm, nowadays parents might get arrested for child abuse, I don't know about china though.

(Sorry, Grammarly made me edit your post)
I think it depends on the severity of the punishment. A single light tap on the hand would be allowed, but for those that chase you everywhere and beats your whole body, including the “private places”? Not so much.

NOTANO0B

FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.

the chinese government is hypocritical, trust me I live there. According to the law chinese are not allowed to beat their children, but in actual practice it happens and nobody complains. If it's really bad then the ccp will get involved but the really bad is probably best defined as nsfl, which is not allowed on scratch. Don't believe me? Ok, my homeroom teacher slaps her students (not in the face) when they annoy her, is that enough? no? hmmm… Did you know that they still produce canes with the dao de jing (a “bible” about morals) printed on it for *tsk* *tsk*? No? Still not convinced? One of their “communist ideals” is “democracy”. Still arguing about me for them being hypocrites? heh.

FloralAnimator

NOTANO0B wrote:
FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.
the chinese government is hypocritical, trust me I live there. According to the law chinese are not allowed to beat their children, but in actual practice it happens and nobody complains. If it's really bad then the ccp will get involved but the really bad is probably best defined as nsfl, which is not allowed on scratch. Don't believe me? Ok, my homeroom teacher slaps her students (not in the face) when they annoy her, is that enough? no? hmmm… Did you know that they still produce canes with the dao de jing (a “bible” about morals) printed on it for *tsk* *tsk*? No? Still not convinced? One of their “communist ideals” is “democracy”. Still arguing about me for them being hypocrites? heh.

Wow lol.

k9chelsea2

should be ok but the marks idk

Byron_Inc

Ethics music

Last edited by Byron_Inc (Oct. 10, 2020 14:29:34)

pandacorn_owl

FloralAnimator wrote:
NOTANO0B wrote:
FloralAnimator wrote:
Byron_Inc wrote:
Mr_PenguinAlex wrote:
Wouldn't this be child abuse?
NOTE: The following are all in my opinion and can b wrong/biased.
It depends. In Western culture, people promote “Love and Education”, which means loving a kid ad treating them with great care will make kids come out as good people. However, in Asian culture, people tend to think that parents have to be strict to have the kid to be good in the future.
I'm giving you some Chinese proverbs:
严父出孝子，慈母多败儿 - A tough father fosters a dutiful son but a kind mother makes a wastrel
棍棒之下出孝子 - Spare the rod spoil the child.
Child abuse is against the laws in china cording to this.
the chinese government is hypocritical, trust me I live there. According to the law chinese are not allowed to beat their children, but in actual practice it happens and nobody complains. If it's really bad then the ccp will get involved but the really bad is probably best defined as nsfl, which is not allowed on scratch. Don't believe me? Ok, my homeroom teacher slaps her students (not in the face) when they annoy her, is that enough? no? hmmm… Did you know that they still produce canes with the dao de jing (a “bible” about morals) printed on it for *tsk* *tsk*? No? Still not convinced? One of their “communist ideals” is “democracy”. Still arguing about me for them being hypocrites? heh.
Wow lol.

I believe the Phrase ‘Spare the rod spoil the child’ was used in the past in Britain. I imagine you would not be allowed to promote beating however Scratch tends to be ok with most things in a historical context and also you could possibly make a project denouncing corporal punishment. I don't think you would be allowed to show it getting too violent though.

SIcKoBROisMe

…I really don’t get why parents hurt kids like that.

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