MushroomMan99 wrote:

VoltageGames wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

Hello,

I think we MUST scrap bitmap and vector. Here's why:

-The bitmap has a too low resolution.

-Pretty much nobody understands the vector.

The italicized made me lol.
The bolded made me lol.
Bitmap is great if you know how to use it. Some people like the unique look of bitmap.
Vector is pretty easy. Easier than bitmap, if you ask me. I do 90% of my graphics in Vector, if not 100%.
If you don't like scratch editor, don't use it at all. Use a 3rd party editor like gimp.

This would not be something a New Scratcher would think of easily though

KingOfAwesome58219 wrote:

No Support. Bitmap and Vector are designed like that on purpose, and I don't really see how vector is hard to use. I'd like that you could open up High-Resolution bitmap files into vector though, so that the High-Resolution would stay there, and not be pixelated by the low-resolution pixelyness of bitmap.

ijohn007 wrote:

Hello,

I think we MUST scrap bitmap and vector. Here's why:

-The bitmap has a too low resolution.

-Pretty much nobody understands the vector.

What we need to do is to find the best of both and add a new editor with them.

cheddargirl wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

Hello,

I think we MUST scrap bitmap and vector. Here's why:

-The bitmap has a too low resolution.

We understand the resolution that the 2.0 editor uses is a pain (even I hate it), we are planning to return back to normal resolution sometime in the future so it matches the standard (such that the smallest unit should be a pixel instead of a 0.25 pixel)

-Pretty much nobody understands the vector.

If that was true, then no project would be using it, eh? I've come across a handful of projects using vector, and our vector editor is a bit more straightforward than most. It just takes some time getting used to because most people think of making images as using a pencil as opposed to making a collage and stacking part of images one on top of each other - but once someone gets that analogy, then the concept is pretty simple and the editor straightforward.

What we need to do is to find the best of both and add a new editor with them.

We tried that early on with alpha and early beta releases of 2.0. The editor failed miserably when this was done.

The reality is that, because bitmap and vector use two different approaches to drawing, the tools won't operate harmoniously with each other, and after many wasted months of racking our coding brains and trying to get the best of both worlds we realized that the only way to get the best of both world was not a vector-bitmap hybrid editor, but an editor having the option to use either bitmap or vector.

MushroomMan99 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

Hello,

I think we MUST scrap bitmap and vector. Here's why:

-The bitmap has a too low resolution.

We understand the resolution that the 2.0 editor uses is a pain (even I hate it), we are planning to return back to normal resolution sometime in the future so it matches the standard (such that the smallest unit should be a pixel instead of a 0.25 pixel)

-Pretty much nobody understands the vector.

If that was true, then no project would be using it, eh? I've come across a handful of projects using vector, and our vector editor is a bit more straightforward than most. It just takes some time getting used to because most people think of making images as using a pencil as opposed to making a collage and stacking part of images one on top of each other - but once someone gets that analogy, then the concept is pretty simple and the editor straightforward.

What we need to do is to find the best of both and add a new editor with them.

We tried that early on with alpha and early beta releases of 2.0. The editor failed miserably when this was done.

The reality is that, because bitmap and vector use two different approaches to drawing, the tools won't operate harmoniously with each other, and after many wasted months of racking our coding brains and trying to get the best of both worlds we realized that the only way to get the best of both world was not a vector-bitmap hybrid editor, but an editor having the option to use either bitmap or vector.

If you can't merge them, could you add editable images to the vector editor?

ijohn007 wrote:

ateesdalejr wrote:

You do not need to scrap the original image editor. It is very
helpful for beginning scratchers. If you do not want to use it. Use
an external vector or bitmap art program and upload images
to the scratch editor.

But, you upload an image it converts it to bitmap quality, which this suggestion is against.

New idea added btw!

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

Basically, you want a paint editor that's a bit of both because Vector is too hard for you.

Also, “Pretty much nobody understands vector”? No, YOU don't understand Vector. Many people know how to use Vector, including me, so stop speaking for everyone.

No support.

ateesdalejr wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

ateesdalejr wrote:

You do not need to scrap the original image editor. It is very
helpful for beginning scratchers. If you do not want to use it. Use
an external vector or bitmap art program and upload images
to the scratch editor.

But, you upload an image it converts it to bitmap quality, which this suggestion is against.

New idea added btw!

Nevermind convert image to vector and upload it to vector editor.

cheddargirl wrote:

MushroomMan99 wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

Hello,

I think we MUST scrap bitmap and vector. Here's why:

-The bitmap has a too low resolution.

We understand the resolution that the 2.0 editor uses is a pain (even I hate it), we are planning to return back to normal resolution sometime in the future so it matches the standard (such that the smallest unit should be a pixel instead of a 0.25 pixel)

-Pretty much nobody understands the vector.

If that was true, then no project would be using it, eh? I've come across a handful of projects using vector, and our vector editor is a bit more straightforward than most. It just takes some time getting used to because most people think of making images as using a pencil as opposed to making a collage and stacking part of images one on top of each other - but once someone gets that analogy, then the concept is pretty simple and the editor straightforward.

What we need to do is to find the best of both and add a new editor with them.

We tried that early on with alpha and early beta releases of 2.0. The editor failed miserably when this was done.

The reality is that, because bitmap and vector use two different approaches to drawing, the tools won't operate harmoniously with each other, and after many wasted months of racking our coding brains and trying to get the best of both worlds we realized that the only way to get the best of both world was not a vector-bitmap hybrid editor, but an editor having the option to use either bitmap or vector.

If you can't merge them, could you add editable images to the vector editor?

We already did, a majority of them are in our sprite library. You just need to make sure you're picking a vector image, as any vector images are only editable in vector, bitmap are only editable in bitmap.

ijohn007 wrote:

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

Basically, you want a paint editor that's a bit of both because Vector is too hard for you.

Also, “Pretty much nobody understands vector”? No, YOU don't understand Vector. Many people know how to use Vector, including me, so stop speaking for everyone.

No support.

What sort of person are you, just running in and using caps? I have seen people confused by vector, so stop speaking for everybody else

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

Basically, you want a paint editor that's a bit of both because Vector is too hard for you.

Also, “Pretty much nobody understands vector”? No, YOU don't understand Vector. Many people know how to use Vector, including me, so stop speaking for everyone.

No support.

What sort of person are you, just running in and using caps? I have seen people confused by vector, so stop speaking for everybody else

So you know people who can't use Vector, so that just means we need to make it easier for them?

Also, making a vector-bitmap mix will destroy pixel art. People don't always want really good looks so that their project looks retro.

ijohn007 wrote:

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

Basically, you want a paint editor that's a bit of both because Vector is too hard for you.

Also, “Pretty much nobody understands vector”? No, YOU don't understand Vector. Many people know how to use Vector, including me, so stop speaking for everyone.

No support.

What sort of person are you, just running in and using caps? I have seen people confused by vector, so stop speaking for everybody else

So you know people who can't use Vector, so that just means we need to make it easier for them?

Also, making a vector-bitmap mix will destroy pixel art. People don't always want really good looks so that their project looks retro.

You are right. However I don't agree to the second-to-last sentence.

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

ijohn007 wrote:

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

Basically, you want a paint editor that's a bit of both because Vector is too hard for you.

Also, “Pretty much nobody understands vector”? No, YOU don't understand Vector. Many people know how to use Vector, including me, so stop speaking for everyone.

No support.

What sort of person are you, just running in and using caps? I have seen people confused by vector, so stop speaking for everybody else

So you know people who can't use Vector, so that just means we need to make it easier for them?

Also, making a vector-bitmap mix will destroy pixel art. People don't always want really good looks so that their project looks retro.

theonlygusti wrote:

SUPPORT! Even paint is almost better than the Scratch costume editor.