-stache- wrote:

I-Iz-A-Litten wrote:

Why should Scratch get all complicated? Scratch is meant for beginning coders. If you want complicated, use Java Script, no support

Actually, don't. Javascript is too much of a mess.

okay, how about Unity?

No support
Scratch is meant for beginners.
This also seems kind of like the rejected suggestion of a 13+ Scratch.

YubNubEwok wrote:

No support
Scratch is meant for beginners.
This also seems kind of like the rejected suggestion of a 13+ Scratch.

This has nothing to do with 13+ Scratch. This suggestion has nothing to do with allowing adult content.

Charles12310 wrote:

YubNubEwok wrote:

No support
Scratch is meant for beginners.
This also seems kind of like the rejected suggestion of a 13+ Scratch.

This has nothing to do with 13+ Scratch. This suggestion has nothing to do with allowing adult content.

I thought that 13+ would include advanced language…

YubNubEwok wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

YubNubEwok wrote:

No support
Scratch is meant for beginners.
This also seems kind of like the rejected suggestion of a 13+ Scratch.

This has nothing to do with 13+ Scratch. This suggestion has nothing to do with allowing adult content.

I thought that 13+ would include advanced language…

13+ Scratch is less advanced coding and more mature projects with more graphic things.

DaEpikDude wrote:

YubNubEwok wrote:

Charles12310 wrote:

YubNubEwok wrote:

No support
Scratch is meant for beginners.
This also seems kind of like the rejected suggestion of a 13+ Scratch.

This has nothing to do with 13+ Scratch. This suggestion has nothing to do with allowing adult content.

I thought that 13+ would include advanced language…

13+ Scratch is less advanced coding and more mature projects with more graphic things.

If you look up topics that suggest a 13+ Scratch, most mention adult content.

dude341 wrote:

Scratch is in fact a legitimate programming language, as it is Turing complete, which determines if a programming language is actually programming or not. Scratch just has a different way of inputting code.

I wouldn't say that. What if, for example, I have a simple robot-programming language with six “commands”: turn left, turn right, go forwards, go backwards, pen up, pen down. This is not Turing complete (you certainly can't conditionally do things, for example), but when I use it to program my robot, I am still programming, right?

_nix wrote:

dude341 wrote:

Scratch is in fact a legitimate programming language, as it is Turing complete, which determines if a programming language is actually programming or not. Scratch just has a different way of inputting code.

I wouldn't say that. What if, for example, I have a simple robot-programming language with six “commands”: turn left, turn right, go forwards, go backwards, pen up, pen down. This is not Turing complete (you certainly can't conditionally do things, for example), but when I use it to program my robot, I am still programming, right?

No, you would be coding, like how you code in HTML.

hello i want to make a programming language based on scratch or snap but i can't. so i'll do this

when green flag clicked
forever
if <[scratch.mit.edu] = [coding]> then
say [i will make a programming language later]
end
end

use tosh

also, wouldn't this be considered rejected?

scratchastroLOL wrote:

use tosh

also, wouldn't this be considered rejected?

Yeah, text coding. Here, let me get the entry…

JohncreationIsBack wrote:

hello i want to make a programming language based on scratch or snap but i can't. so i'll do this

when green flag clicked
forever
if <[scratch.mit.edu] = [coding]> then
say [i will make a programming language later]
end
end

Oh yeah, please don't bump old topics if you're not going to contribute to the discussion

Rejected:

The official list of rejected suggestions wrote:

2.2 Text-based syntax in Scratch
Some users wish to code Scratch not with the blocks, but with typing code instead (similar to how more advanced programming languages work). Others are interested in an option to view, convert, or download Scratch code to other programming languages. However, the Scratch Team has discussed this possibility multiple times and has decided every time that it would not be beneficial for beginners or for teachers.

This suggestion extends to coding, viewing, converting, or downloading Scratch in any text-based language, including BBCode, Javascript, some form of pseudocode, or some other programming language. If you wish to code using another language, then you can learn it on your own, but it would have to be done outside of Scratch. For those who are interested, it may be worth checking out Tosh. It is a text-based programming language which serves as a text editor for Scratch projects.

-stache- wrote:

Pandadude12321 wrote:

If scratch could be used for real programming, coding would be much more accessible and much much faster.

Not really. At that point it wouldn't really be scratch anymore. Also, block-based programming is really slow.

What do mean if scratch could be used for real programming?

Plus you can't code something with specific logic unless there is a premade block for it, so you can't get far with scratch.

Yeetoburro1 wrote:

Rejected:

The official list of rejected suggestions wrote:

2.2 Text-based syntax in Scratch
Some users wish to code Scratch not with the blocks, but with typing code instead (similar to how more advanced programming languages work). Others are interested in an option to view, convert, or download Scratch code to other programming languages. However, the Scratch Team has discussed this possibility multiple times and has decided every time that it would not be beneficial for beginners or for teachers.

This suggestion extends to coding, viewing, converting, or downloading Scratch in any text-based language, including BBCode, Javascript, some form of pseudocode, or some other programming language. If you wish to code using another language, then you can learn it on your own, but it would have to be done outside of Scratch. For those who are interested, it may be worth checking out Tosh. It is a text-based programming language which serves as a text editor for Scratch projects.

1. Necropost
2. He never said text based

edit: nvm just saw he said that in 2020

Scratch is a legitimate programming language. Yes, it has limitations and simplifications which cater to a young audience, and it is tailored for educational purposes, but you can use it to create interactive games, stories and programs all the same.

I personally agree that Scratch is lacking in certain areas, and there's always room for improvement. I even agree with the idea of creating a more advanced visual programming language, perhaps something like Snap! or GP Blocks, but more robust. However, if you want it integrated into the website, that ain't gonna happen - the Scratch Team doesn't want to divide Scratch's userbase in half.

Support!
Maybe in the editor, you could switch between block and text editions!

No support. The beginners still exist…

sonic__fan wrote:

Support!
Maybe in the editor, you could switch between block and text editions!

text editor is rejected
anyway no support