Okay so is Ashfur or Brambleclaw the right cat for Squirrelflight?

I mean either Ashfur or Brambleclaw would have loved her to the end, but which one, If Squirrelflight hadn't gone on the journey to the sun-drown place, would Squirrelflight have loved the most?

I have NO idea how to start a whole new topic-post thingy so I had to do this inside a different topic thingy. XDD sry guys!

Well, if Squirrelflight never went on the journey to the Sun-drown Place, she wouldn't have matured as quickly, nor is it likely that she would have gotten to know Brambleclaw as well as she did. In that case, maybe she would have ended up with Ashfur, or possibly even someone else. Who knows.

Your right, she might not have matured, and, like Leafpaw, might have ended up in the twoleg truck.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Well, if Squirrelflight never went on the journey to the Sun-drown Place, she wouldn't have matured as quickly, nor is it likely that she would have gotten to know Brambleclaw as well as she did. In that case, maybe she would have ended up with Ashfur, or possibly even someone else. Who knows.

Yes, you're correct that she might not have matured as quickly, but would Ashfur have been the right choice? Knowing that he almost killed her and her kits, he may have been way more angry when/if he found out Squirrelflight didn't actually have the kits.

Here are some more thoughts. Say that Squirrelflight stayed with Ashfur. That means that Ashfur would likely have stayed mentally/emotionally stable (though the fact that he completely flew off the handle over one break up makes me think that he probably was never as stable as we would like to think he was). However, Squirrelflight staying with Ashfur and Ashfur remaining stable probably wouldn't have stopped Leafpool from having kits with Crowfeather, and she would likely have still given those kits to Squirrelflight in order to avoid getting into trouble. In that case, Squirrelflight would have then told Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw that she and him were the parents. Therefore, Ashfur would have believed that he was Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze's father until word inevitably got out that Leafpool and Crowfeather were the real parents. Then Ashfur probably would have left Squirrelflight just like Brambleclaw did.

The difference is that Brambleclaw did recover from that, although it took a very long time. I doubt that Ashfur would have recovered at all. In this alternate continuity, this would have been his breaking point. Hmm, possible fanfic idea here.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Here are some more thoughts. Say that Squirrelflight stayed with Ashfur. That means that Ashfur would likely have stayed mentally/emotionally stable (though the fact that he completely flew off the handle over one break up makes me think that he probably was never as stable as we would like to think he was). However, Squirrelflight staying with Ashfur and Ashfur remaining stable probably wouldn't have stopped Leafpool from having kits with Crowfeather, and she would likely have still given those kits to Squirrelflight in order to avoid getting into trouble. In that case, Squirrelflight would have then told Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw that she and him were the parents. Therefore, Ashfur would have believed that he was Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze's father until word inevitably got out that Leafpool and Crowfeather were the real parents. Then Ashfur probably would have left Squirrelflight just like Brambleclaw did.

The difference is that Brambleclaw did recover from that, although it took a very long time. I doubt that Ashfur would have recovered at all. In this alternate continuity, this would have been his breaking point. Hmm, possible fanfic idea here.

So I totally agree with most of that, but how would the word get out about Leafpool having the kits without Ashfur threatening to kill anybody? ( )
Would Brambleclaw have done it in Ashfur's stead? We all know the answer. No. Brambleclaw, as you pointed out, is more mentally stable than Ashfur.

Back to the original question: would Squirrelflight actually be happy with Ashfur? Maybe instead she would have gone for Stormfur. I wonder how that would have turned out. Yes this sounds like a very possible fanfic option!

Jaycat111 wrote:

Your right, she might not have matured, and, like Leafpaw, might have ended up in the twoleg truck.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Well, if Squirrelflight never went on the journey to the Sun-drown Place, she wouldn't have matured as quickly, nor is it likely that she would have gotten to know Brambleclaw as well as she did. In that case, maybe she would have ended up with Ashfur, or possibly even someone else. Who knows.

Yes, you're correct that she might not have matured as quickly, but would Ashfur have been the right choice? Knowing that he almost killed her and her kits, he may have been way more angry when/if he found out Squirrelflight didn't actually have the kits.

ashfur is actually RELATED to squirrelflight

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Here are some more thoughts. Say that Squirrelflight stayed with Ashfur. That means that Ashfur would likely have stayed mentally/emotionally stable (though the fact that he completely flew off the handle over one break up makes me think that he probably was never as stable as we would like to think he was). However, Squirrelflight staying with Ashfur and Ashfur remaining stable probably wouldn't have stopped Leafpool from having kits with Crowfeather, and she would likely have still given those kits to Squirrelflight in order to avoid getting into trouble. In that case, Squirrelflight would have then told Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw that she and him were the parents. Therefore, Ashfur would have believed that he was Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze's father until word inevitably got out that Leafpool and Crowfeather were the real parents. Then Ashfur probably would have left Squirrelflight just like Brambleclaw did.

The difference is that Brambleclaw did recover from that, although it took a very long time. I doubt that Ashfur would have recovered at all. In this alternate continuity, this would have been his breaking point. Hmm, possible fanfic idea here.

So I totally agree with most of that, but how would the word get out about Leafpool having the kits without Ashfur threatening to kill anybody? ( )
Would Brambleclaw have done it in Ashfur's stead? We all know the answer. No. Brambleclaw, as you pointed out, is more mentally stable than Ashfur.

Back to the original question: would Squirrelflight actually be happy with Ashfur? Maybe instead she would have gone for Stormfur. I wonder how that would have turned out. Yes this sounds like a very possible fanfic option!

Hmm… Well Hollyleaf was still a strict follower of the warrior code. If she managed to find out that Squirrelflight and Ashfur were not her biological parents, then she would probably have still gone crazy and told everyone. Besides, even if that didn't happen, keeping such a big secret under covers would not be easy to do, especially for extended periods of time. Chances are that someone would have found out anyway and told everyone, even if it wasn't Hollyleaf.

Squirrelflight and Stormfur would have been interesting, but being from different clans, that would have been trouble to them. It would also mean that Stormfur would never end up with Brook, and therefore, he probably wouldn't have joined the Tribe of Rushing Water. That could have affected the Tribe.

Haha, sorry for my really in-depth ideas.

pearlymoorehen wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Your right, she might not have matured, and, like Leafpaw, might have ended up in the twoleg truck.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Well, if Squirrelflight never went on the journey to the Sun-drown Place, she wouldn't have matured as quickly, nor is it likely that she would have gotten to know Brambleclaw as well as she did. In that case, maybe she would have ended up with Ashfur, or possibly even someone else. Who knows.

Yes, you're correct that she might not have matured as quickly, but would Ashfur have been the right choice? Knowing that he almost killed her and her kits, he may have been way more angry when/if he found out Squirrelflight didn't actually have the kits.

ashfur is actually RELATED to squirrelflight

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Here are some more thoughts. Say that Squirrelflight stayed with Ashfur. That means that Ashfur would likely have stayed mentally/emotionally stable (though the fact that he completely flew off the handle over one break up makes me think that he probably was never as stable as we would like to think he was). However, Squirrelflight staying with Ashfur and Ashfur remaining stable probably wouldn't have stopped Leafpool from having kits with Crowfeather, and she would likely have still given those kits to Squirrelflight in order to avoid getting into trouble. In that case, Squirrelflight would have then told Ashfur instead of Brambleclaw that she and him were the parents. Therefore, Ashfur would have believed that he was Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze's father until word inevitably got out that Leafpool and Crowfeather were the real parents. Then Ashfur probably would have left Squirrelflight just like Brambleclaw did.

The difference is that Brambleclaw did recover from that, although it took a very long time. I doubt that Ashfur would have recovered at all. In this alternate continuity, this would have been his breaking point. Hmm, possible fanfic idea here.

So I totally agree with most of that, but how would the word get out about Leafpool having the kits without Ashfur threatening to kill anybody? ( )
Would Brambleclaw have done it in Ashfur's stead? We all know the answer. No. Brambleclaw, as you pointed out, is more mentally stable than Ashfur.

Back to the original question: would Squirrelflight actually be happy with Ashfur? Maybe instead she would have gone for Stormfur. I wonder how that would have turned out. Yes this sounds like a very possible fanfic option!

Hmm… Well Hollyleaf was still a strict follower of the warrior code. If she managed to find out that Squirrelflight and Ashfur were not her biological parents, then she would probably have still gone crazy and told everyone. Besides, even if that didn't happen, keeping such a big secret under covers would not be easy to do, especially for extended periods of time. Chances are that someone would have found out anyway and told everyone, even if it wasn't Hollyleaf.

Squirrelflight and Stormfur would have been interesting, but being from different clans, that would have been trouble to them. It would also mean that Stormfur would never end up with Brook, and therefore, he probably wouldn't have joined the Tribe of Rushing Water. That could have affected the Tribe.

Haha, sorry for my really in-depth ideas.

Both of you are very correct. Peralymoorehen, I was thinking the same. And anyways you're right that Hollyleaf would've (most likely) gone insane and spilled the beans, but how would the news come to her in the first place? Squirrelflight would never tell anybody, therefore someone must find out the hard way- confronting Leafpool. But who would do that? Leafpool is a very reliable medicine cat, and nobody would guess that she had kits in Squirrelflight's stead.

And yes, that would've affected the Tribe, and Squirrelflight MAY have had kits with Stormfur- which is just an added problem XP

pearlymoorehen wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Your right, she might not have matured, and, like Leafpaw, might have ended up in the twoleg truck.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Well, if Squirrelflight never went on the journey to the Sun-drown Place, she wouldn't have matured as quickly, nor is it likely that she would have gotten to know Brambleclaw as well as she did. In that case, maybe she would have ended up with Ashfur, or possibly even someone else. Who knows.

Yes, you're correct that she might not have matured as quickly, but would Ashfur have been the right choice? Knowing that he almost killed her and her kits, he may have been way more angry when/if he found out Squirrelflight didn't actually have the kits.

ashfur is actually RELATED to squirrelflight

That is true. Ashfur is Squirrelflight's half uncle. However, I discovered through a little research that a lot of mates are distantly related. Even Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight are.

Squirrelflight's mother is Sandstorm, who's father is Redtail, who's sister is Leopardfoot, who's son is Tigerstar, who's son is Brambleclaw. Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw share a pair of great grandparents, who would be Adderfang and Swiftbreeze. However, I don't make a huge deal out of mates being distantly related, because cats are different from humans, after all.

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

That's a good point. Just the fact that Squirrelflight showed any interest in toms at all is probably what managed to save Leafpool's neck… at least for a while.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

That's a good point. Just the fact that Squirrelflight showed any interest in toms at all is probably what managed to save Leafpool's neck… at least for a while.

Yup! I do wonder (sry u don't have to answer i suddenly just like to go on rants XDD) what would have happened if Feathertail had lived. Maybe Crowfeather would have gone for her, not Leafpool, which means that the Power of Three would've either never been born, or be born as different cats due to the fact that Feathertail was there mother.

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

That's a good point. Just the fact that Squirrelflight showed any interest in toms at all is probably what managed to save Leafpool's neck… at least for a while.

Yup! I do wonder (sry u don't have to answer i suddenly just like to go on rants XDD) what would have happened if Feathertail had lived. Maybe Crowfeather would have gone for her, not Leafpool, which means that the Power of Three would've either never been born, or be born as different cats due to the fact that Feathertail was there mother.

I don't mind replying, really.

That's an interesting thought! Really goes to show just how fragile the thread of the prophecy of the Three was. However, Dovewing is one of the Three, and her parents are Whitewing and Birchfall, so Leafpool and Crowfeather not getting together wouldn't have prevented her birth. However, I think I might recall a scene in one of The New Prophecy books in which Birchfall, as a kit, nearly fell over one of the tallest walls of the quarry. A little kit might not have gotten out of that too well, and that would have affected Dovewing's chances of birth.

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

That's a good point. Just the fact that Squirrelflight showed any interest in toms at all is probably what managed to save Leafpool's neck… at least for a while.

Yup! I do wonder (sry u don't have to answer i suddenly just like to go on rants XDD) what would have happened if Feathertail had lived. Maybe Crowfeather would have gone for her, not Leafpool, which means that the Power of Three would've either never been born, or be born as different cats due to the fact that Feathertail was there mother.

I don't mind replying, really.

That's an interesting thought! Really goes to show just how fragile the thread of the prophecy of the Three was. However, Dovewing is one of the Three, and her parents are Whitewing and Birchfall, so Leafpool and Crowfeather not getting together wouldn't have prevented her birth. However, I think I might recall a scene in one of The New Prophecy books in which Birchfall, as a kit, nearly fell over one of the tallest walls of the quarry. A little kit might not have gotten out of that too well, and that would have affected Dovewing's chances of birth.

You're right, but If Crowfeather and Feathertail had been together, then two out of the three would've been different, maybe even with opposite gender. Thin about how that would go!

I think Squirrel would grow closer to Shrewpaw(or whoever that apprentice was). He's in her age group, and the 2 were very close before and after the journey. After he died she would be too distraught to take a mate. Then the 3 wouldn't have a supossed “father”. Then Leafpool would probably force Crowfeather to take them and pretend they were Breezepelt's littermates! And then Lionblaze would fall in love with Heathertail, and one of my favorite couples wouldn't exist! Thats deep! Also Jayfeather would be a warrior apprentice because of Kestrelflight. A rivalry would come in between Lionblaze and Breezepelt, because they both were shown to have a relationship with Heathertail,and that Crowfeather would prob love the 3 more, so Breezepelt would still be evil. Hollyleaf wouldn't run into the tunnels, because it prob wont be revealed. Dovewing would lead a normal life, but Ivypool would turn traitor eventually because 1) 3 dont know, they're hanging out in WindClan 2) She would be too caught up in their plans, she'd be killed if she turned away now. DAT GIVE ME FANFIC IDEA

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

Lightningstep36 wrote:

Jaycat111 wrote:

omg wow i never noticed. although how are Ashfur and Squirrelflight related? Ferncloud is Ashfur's sister, i don't see how Squirrel and Ash are related

anyways, so now somehow both options are related to Squirrelflight, but is that getting us to the point: Which cat is better for Squirrelflight. Some people are big Ash X Squirrel shippers, but I'm not. i think she's happier with Brambleclaw

Sandstorm and Ashfur are half siblings. They share the same mother, Brindleface, but have different fathers. Sandstorm's father is Redtail, but it's not known who Ashfur's father is.

While I do kind of ship Ashfur and Squirrelflight, I must agree that Squirrelflight probably is happier with Brambleclaw.

Yes, I do agree I feel bad Ashfur. And I never knew they were related… huh. Anyways Brambleclaw IS the better option in my opinion, but think about what would have happened if Squirrelflight decided to take no mate. Who would Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather's “father” be?

That's a good point. Just the fact that Squirrelflight showed any interest in toms at all is probably what managed to save Leafpool's neck… at least for a while.

Yup! I do wonder (sry u don't have to answer i suddenly just like to go on rants XDD) what would have happened if Feathertail had lived. Maybe Crowfeather would have gone for her, not Leafpool, which means that the Power of Three would've either never been born, or be born as different cats due to the fact that Feathertail was there mother.

I don't mind replying, really.

That's an interesting thought! Really goes to show just how fragile the thread of the prophecy of the Three was. However, Dovewing is one of the Three, and her parents are Whitewing and Birchfall, so Leafpool and Crowfeather not getting together wouldn't have prevented her birth. However, I think I might recall a scene in one of The New Prophecy books in which Birchfall, as a kit, nearly fell over one of the tallest walls of the quarry. A little kit might not have gotten out of that too well, and that would have affected Dovewing's chances of birth.

You're right, but If Crowfeather and Feathertail had been together, then two out of the three would've been different, maybe even with opposite gender. Thin about how that would go!

OMG that would be horrible, but in a way its good. I think that because the 3 would grow up in WindClan or RiverClan, ThunderClan wouldn't seem favored. That would prevent a war thats probaly gonna happen.

am i reading a serious debate about magical cat shipping

Mitybo wrote:

I think Squirrel would grow closer to Shrewpaw(or whoever that apprentice was). He's in her age group, and the 2 were very close before and after the journey. After he died she would be too distraught to take a mate. Then the 3 wouldn't have a supossed “father”. Then Leafpool would probably force Crowfeather to take them and pretend they were Breezepelt's littermates! And then Lionblaze would fall in love with Heathertail, and one of my favorite couples wouldn't exist! Thats deep! Also Jayfeather would be a warrior apprentice because of Kestrelflight. A rivalry would come in between Lionblaze and Breezepelt, because they both were shown to have a relationship with Heathertail,and that Crowfeather would prob love the 3 more, so Breezepelt would still be evil. Hollyleaf wouldn't run into the tunnels, because it prob wont be revealed. Dovewing would lead a normal life, but Ivypool would turn traitor eventually because 1) 3 dont know, they're hanging out in WindClan 2) She would be too caught up in their plans, she'd be killed if she turned away now. DAT GIVE ME FANFIC IDEA

Mind blown.