Col_Cat228 wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

-Trolls have a new toy

That phrase made me laugh for 30 minutes XD

your welcome

ioton wrote:

A dislike button…… I don't know why they should make this button.
What happens now?
Mass reporting can be, eventually, fixed.
But mass dis-likes?

the dislike do wouldn't anything.

Why encourage people to dislike others' projects?

Also, as I wrote before,

mlcreater wrote:

If I had just joined Scratch and I saw that there is a dislike button on every project, I would never share anything.

Okay, does anybody get the fact that the total number of dislikes (or if the project has any dislikes at all) is not shown to anybody, if there were dislikes on the project nobody would know unless it was said outright!!

Even so, the dislike button is not rejected because of the creator getting upset with the person who disliked it. It's that the creator gets upset period. Read the reason it's rejected:

4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.

Moreover, constructive feedback is encouraged on Scratch. A dislike button may show the creator how many people disliked their project, but it tells nothing about what the creator could do better. If you do not like a project, you could choose not to love it, or you could leave a respectful and constructive comment telling the user how to improve.

KittyFireSt0rm wrote:

Okay, does anybody get the fact that the total number of dislikes (or if the project has any dislikes at all) is not shown to anybody, if there were dislikes on the project nobody would know unless it was said outright!!

Absolutely no one understands that unfortunately.

It's a real shame, I think this topic could have led to some constructive opinions…

DarthVader4Life wrote:

BearSlothCoding wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!

It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

I'ma make a list uh pros and cons.
PROS
+1.Some users will be satisfied.
+2.It won't affect the project.
CONS
-3.New types of hate comments
-4.Drama
-5.Discouragement
-Trolls have a new toy
-Another reason for people to overreact
-Possibly MORE hate comments
-Possibly more false reports.
-Haters have another thing to attempt to emotionally harm a scratcher.

DarthVader4Life wrote:

BearSlothCoding wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!

It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

I'ma make a list uh pros and cons.
PROS
+Some users will be satisfied.
+It won't affect the project.
CONS
-New types of hate comments
-Drama
-Discouragement
-Trolls have a new toy
-Another reason for people to overreact
-Possibly MORE hate comments
-Possibly more false reports.
-Haters have another thing to attempt to emotionally harm a scratcher.

PROS
1.Okay.
2.What if people learn that it does nothing?

CONS
1. Why? Nobody boasts in the comments that they loved the project.
2/3. The button does nothing.
4. That toy would be “broken”, i.e. do nothing.
5/6/7. The button does nothing.
8. The button does nothing and it's already possible to emotionally harm people really bad here.

I'm not gonna read through 4 pages of posts to see if someone already answered this question, but does the creator of the project get notified?

MeowyTitan08 wrote:

I'm not gonna read through 4 pages of posts to see if someone already answered this question, but does the creator of the project get notified?

Nope

I'm pretty sure that this is rejected:

I wrote:

Even so, the dislike button is not rejected because of the creator getting upset with the person who disliked it. It's that the creator gets upset period. Read the reason it's rejected:

4.2 Dislike button or a project rating system
This idea has a major drawback. Generally, a user's first project is something rather simple, such as a test project, a remix, or a project made using a tutorial. Because this project is simple, other users may give the project low ratings since it is not advanced. With low enough ratings, the creator might be discouraged enough to stop using Scratch, even though the creator is just trying to learn.

Moreover, constructive feedback is encouraged on Scratch. A dislike button may show the creator how many people disliked their project, but it tells nothing about what the creator could do better. If you do not like a project, you could choose not to love it, or you could leave a respectful and constructive comment telling the user how to improve.

KittyFireSt0rm wrote:

MeowyTitan08 wrote:

I'm not gonna read through 4 pages of posts to see if someone already answered this question, but does the creator of the project get notified?

Nope

Well, then what's the point? I don't get this at all lol

MeowyTitan08 wrote:

KittyFireSt0rm wrote:

MeowyTitan08 wrote:

I'm not gonna read through 4 pages of posts to see if someone already answered this question, but does the creator of the project get notified?

Nope

Well, then what's the point? I don't get this at all lol

I get the suggestion, I just don't get the point

I see what you are thinking, but I do not think this is a good idea for a few reasons.

First of all, if someone actually hates a project, they probably have a good reason to. If a project causes people to feel such anger then there is a good chance that the project breaks the Community Guidelines. The problem with adding a dislike button is that it may draw attention away from the report button. People would just click the dislike button and leave.
I know you are saying that it would just be there to “make people feel better”, but this in itself has its problems. Even if something makes someone feel good, it is not necessarily good. Having a dislike button might encourage people in real life to have a bad attitude towards others, and would significantly decrease the amount of constructive criticism in comments, which is definitely not a good thing. As has already been stated, the primary purpose of Scratch is to learn, and receiving feedback can be an important part of learning. If people are just clicking a dislike button to satisfy their own emotions, the creators of the project may never know that people want to see improvements, and their projects would never become better.

Secondly, a dislike button like this may be easily abused by people trying to increase their fame. I imagine featured projects would get a lot of dislikes, not because people actually hate the project but because they want to be annoying and mess with the systems. It has already been said that “trolls would have a new toy”, which is absolutely true.

Thirdly, even though you said that the number would not show, I think that people would still eventually find out that their project was getting disliked. People may comment stuff like “I disliked your project”. You also said that if a large number of people were to dislike a project, it would be “harder to find”. I assume this means that the projects would not show up in searches. If so, this sounds an awful lot like allowing Scratchers to mark project NFE, which would not be a good idea. As I have said, this kind of thing could easily be abused.

So I think that adding a dislike button like this would be a bad idea. No support.

coder2045 wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

BearSlothCoding wrote:

DarthVader4Life wrote:

The goal of scratch to learn, not to satisfy!

It can't do both? While I agree there are quite a bit of cons, this isn't one of them.

I'ma make a list uh pros and cons.
PROS
+Some users will be satisfied.
+It won't affect the project.
CONS
-New types of hate comments
-Drama
-Discouragement
-Trolls have a new toy
-Another reason for people to overreact
-Possibly MORE hate comments
-Possibly more false reports.
-Haters have another thing to attempt to emotionally harm a scratcher.

PROS
1.Okay.
2.What if people learn that it does nothing?

CONS
1. Why? Nobody boasts in the comments that they loved the project.
2/3. The button does nothing.
4. That toy would be “broken”, i.e. do nothing.
5/6/7. The button does nothing.
8. The button does nothing and it's already possible to emotionally harm people really bad here.

P
2. I don't see your point
C
1. Haters follow a different set of rules.
2/3. Not everyone will immediantly figure out that it does nothing.
4. The comment section exists.
5-7. People overreact, haters, especially when they figure out that the button does nothing, would tell the creator that, and once again, the comments section exists.
8.Ik it's already possible, but haters have something new to attempt.

I think the posts that Harakou and I made clarify that this particular suggestion is not rejected. Please be sure to read the entirety of OP's post before answering.

Za-Chary wrote:

I think the dislike button being merely a placebo and not actually having any effect would be the only way that a dislike button could possibly work. In particular, I don't think it would be a good idea to keep track of some like-dislike ratio — that could easily be spammed.

Harakou wrote:

Folks, please be sure to read someone's idea and not just the title before commenting. There's some precedent for having what are essentially fake dislikes/report categories to act as a “lightning rod” for people's discontent. The idea is that it creates an easy way to filter out noise, by giving them something that feels good but doesn't actually have an impact.

mlcreater wrote:

If I had just joined Scratch and I saw that there is a dislike button on every project, I would never share anything.

While I understand that the button would do nothing and that the project's owner would not get notified when someone disliked their project, I agree with @mlcreater.

If I was just starting Scratch, and didn't know that the dislike button did nothing (which would make a lot of sense, because, at least for me, the social part of Scratch took a pretty long time to fully understand)

If I was a parent or teacher wanting to use Scratch to show young children, the dislike button would worry me. It would make me feel like I was introducing a small child to social media, and I would be afraid of having other Scratchers (or, in the teacher example, other classmates) leave comments saying that they disliked the project.

Also, once again, if someone has not used Scratch for a while, and whatever they've posted gets little to no views, and they are not active in the community, it might take a long time for them to realize that the dislike button has no affect. (This also applies to parents or teachers who would be viewing Scratch potentially without an account to see if it was safe for a child to use)

So, I personally do not support this suggestion, sorry.

BearSlothCoding wrote:

DownsGameClub wrote:

About this…

NOTANO0B wrote:

When people dislike a project, this would be a good way to let out their anger without actually hurting the creator. In fact, apparently overwatch used to have a feature where users can report their teammates for being bad at the game, but it does nothing and only really makes the reporter feels better.

If someone is going to have an issue with a Scratch Project that much, I would think they would have some sort of issue. Again, I don't know how the user “receiving” the dislike would feel if they knew someone else was disliking the project, let alone knew who exactly it was.

That's why they don't know someone is disliking their project. And why does they leaving a dislike meant they have issues?
(…)
By not responding, the devs/moderators didn't take action and instead let someone get out their anger. This is good. What constitutes as bad is what the viewer constitutes as bad, like how you think what Overwatch did was bad while I think it was good. Unless a lot of people think it's bad, the dislikes don't interfere with anything, so why is this a problem?
(…)
So what if it's a young kid's website? That means we can't secretly dislike? We already did it in our heads, why not add a button too? I don't see how the holding up to the standard is relevant either.

I guess my point is that it's not a constructive feature to add.

It's okay to dislike a project but unless it's against CGs, what else can you do about it? The Scratch Team, and frankly other users, don't care what you specifically like or don't like, so it's up to you to deal with. But I don't think that this method of a placebo-like satisfaction is the way to deal with it. Frankly, I feel kids are very smart and are quick to figure out what works and what doesn't. For how long will this feature truly be effective?

Is clicking it supposed to emulate the power you feel over someone for thinking a project is not up to your par? I don't think that's a healthy attitude for Scratch; we don't want to encourage competition (the “greater than thou” sort of thing), but rather collaboration. For what it is, Scratch is already so competitive with people trying to get follows, likes, favorites, and front-paged every single day.

I've watched videos that I really dislike. On YouTube, I don't use the dislike button because I don't want to give it any further attention, nor do I feel it's a “healthy” way of “venting” out something you don't like. From a personal perspective, I've never been on the side of expressing my discontent: unless it's something that I feel I need to speak up about (i.e. regarding something morally wrong or dangerous), I feel my expression of my dislike is disruptive and disrespectful to the creator. Instead, I just move on to something that suits my cup of tea. As much as I hate some of the videos I see, it's not worth my battle going through a video like that when there are so much more I could focus on.

Sure, a dislike button might make you feel better, but if you're getting that worked up about a Scratch project I'm afraid you're already going too far and you've gotta move on to something else.
…but maybe it's my 17-year old apathetic self that's getting in the way of this suggestion. If so, I apologize.

No support.
I agree with what @Nambaseking01 wrote, it would give the impression that harsh criticism is allowed. Also, like what @mrCamelCase said, if having enough dislikes actually does something, mass-disliking could be a problem. Actually adding something original here, replacing hearts with likes may not be a good idea either, as likes are more widely associated with social media than hearts, and we wouldn't want to make people think that this is normal social media. We have enough of an obsession with follows already
Edit: Misspelled a username

TheToothlessWolf wrote:

No support.
I agree with what @NameBaseKing01 wrote, it would give the impression that harsh criticism is allowed.

Thanks! Just pointing out that it's @Nambaseking01, but many people make that mistake, so no problem.

nerdiebirdy wrote:

I see what you are thinking, but I do not think this is a good idea for a few reasons.

First of all, if someone actually hates a project, they probably have a good reason to. If a project causes people to feel such anger then there is a good chance that the project breaks the Community Guidelines. The problem with adding a dislike button is that it may draw attention away from the report button. People would just click the dislike button and leave.
I know you are saying that it would just be there to “make people feel better”, but this in itself has its problems. Even if something makes someone feel good, it is not necessarily good. Having a dislike button might encourage people in real life to have a bad attitude towards others, and would significantly decrease the amount of constructive criticism in comments, which is definitely not a good thing. As has already been stated, the primary purpose of Scratch is to learn, and receiving feedback can be an important part of learning. If people are just clicking a dislike button to satisfy their own emotions, the creators of the project may never know that people want to see improvements, and their projects would never become better.

Secondly, a dislike button like this may be easily abused by people trying to increase their fame. I imagine featured projects would get a lot of dislikes, not because people actually hate the project but because they want to be annoying and mess with the systems. It has already been said that “trolls would have a new toy”, which is absolutely true.

Thirdly, even though you said that the number would not show, I think that people would still eventually find out that their project was getting disliked. People may comment stuff like “I disliked your project”. You also said that if a large number of people were to dislike a project, it would be “harder to find”. I assume this means that the projects would not show up in searches. If so, this sounds an awful lot like allowing Scratchers to mark project NFE, which would not be a good idea. As I have said, this kind of thing could easily be abused.

So I think that adding a dislike button like this would be a bad idea. No support.

Yes, finally someone who thinks the exact same way as me. I wholeheartedly agree with this post - especially the first paragraph. We don't want multiple kids to get encouraged to be harsh in real life.

Can’t you just report it for ‘not liking the project’, as that doesn’t do anything much

It's a good idea, but I think it could still hurt the creator of the projects. It's also another way to get us addicted to the number loves, favorites, follows, and if this get's accepted, the dislikes. That's not what scratch is about. Nambaseking01 made a better description of how the dislikes aren't what scratch is about, and it can still hurt to see that anyone dislikes your project. If you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say it!

Nambaseking01 wrote:

A dislike button would give the impression that harsh criticism is encouraged on Scratch - this would probably increase the amount of angry comments by people who didn't read the Community Guidelines and do guesswork.

I don't think anyone should have the heart to actually dislike a project. Although it's like I said, we shouldn't get addicted to the numbers of loves and things like that, it does happen, And if we add a dislike button to the mix, it'll only make things harder on us. How would you feel about people not only not liking your project, and having the guts to press the dislike button? It's not something that would feel good, that's for sure. So, I think, it may be a good idea, but It can hurt us in too many ways.

Wow, I sorta wrote an essay on this XD