WafflezOnAStick wrote:

I like the “subscribing” idea. Shall I add? You could only do like a F4F style-thing if you know them in RL. How would Scratch know this? Well, I used to play Wizard101 (I know, I know. “Why would you play that?” “BLERG?” I said used) And they had this thing called Truefriends, where you can get special chatting abilities and such if you verify you know the person in real life. They gave you a code that you gave to your friend in RL. They type it in and viola! You are Truefriends! I suggest in order to F4F, you must be able to communicate the code outside of Scratch, they type it in and, yeah.

Superandultra wrote:

I quite agreee with this, Follow4follow's are really annoying, i understand that people make scratch accounts for the sake of following people and being able to comment and stuff, but F4F is quite annoying, but there really is nothing we can do, their like flies, we hate them, but we can't make flies illegal, because their not doing anything that could be seriously bad!

mathfreak231 wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

how about just limiting the amount of people one can follow; there's really no need to follow more than 10 or 20 Scratchers that you know irl or that inspire you

I'm just gonna bring this up again. First of all, this will to some extent stop F4F; if they can't follow >10 or 20 people, they can't be followed by much more than the same 10 or 20 people. Of course, F4F cannot be truly stopped (without that friends list of course but I'm not sure I want that).

So far I've only followed 9 people; 5 I know IRL, 1 for following myself (just so it's easier to track projects I've loved), 2 are my alts, and only 1 person on there is someone I just found on the Scratch website that I don't know. Probably because his content is just useful for my remixes and stuff.

Another possible fix for this is to say what follows are for on some sort of help page and ask that they are used only for that discreetly.

cheeseeater wrote:

But then you might find over 10 or 20 people you want to receive updates from.

Julianthewiki wrote:

In my opinion, Follow for Follow's are not annoying. It's just simply making friendship with the one who followed you, and the one who followed you follows you back. There is nothing annoying, as it could increase friendship.

Note that I'm not talking about 1.4, I mean friends/followers in Scratch. period.

cheeseeater wrote:

Julianthewiki wrote:

In my opinion, Follow for Follow's are not annoying. It's just simply making friendship with the one who followed you, and the one who followed you follows you back. There is nothing annoying, as it could increase friendship.

Note that I'm not talking about 1.4, I mean friends/followers in Scratch. period.

F4F is not about friendship, its a crazy race to get the highest number of followers. They care so little about who they follow that they set up seperate accounts for them so they dont have loads of requests on their real one.

-adasba- wrote:

I made a project about followers and stuff called suggestions for the ST or something.

cheeseeater wrote:

Following is now officially out of hand. Have you seen the all the accounts, which purpose is just to F4F? Not meaning to name and shame, but to prove my point here is one. Quite a few scratchers have left over this, though in my opinion they just left because they where moving on and decided to make a meal out of it. Anywhoo, here is what needs to be done:

#1 Remove followers and alike ideas

(not recommended)

#2 Keep following, but remove the list of followers and number count. Rename it subscribing.

(recommended)

Zro716 wrote:

#3 1) Rename follow as “subscribe”, because it better fits “receiving updates” than following which some people interpret as friends on twitter; 2) Put the follower/following lists below profile comments –or hide them altogether– to show they are less of a priority than most other things; 3) Maybe put up an announcement that the Scratch Team is at least aware of the follow trades and are deciding its future.

AonymousGuy wrote:

#4
Because following makes a user seem “popular”, and being “popular” is something that people seem to want to do, people will do anything to get more followers.I thought of something that might help - make it so when 2 users are following each other, the users are both taken from the follower count and instead added to a “friends” list - which does not tell you the number, only the names of the users. This would make sense, because if two users are following each other, they are doing so because they are either friends IRL, or both like the other's projects, making a more “friendly” connection between the users, thus making them more “friends” than followers.This way, F4F will not increase a user's follower count at all, while still allowing users to know who they are friends with, and still allowing users to receive notifications.

Zro716 wrote:

#5 So I think I know how to fix the follow system. Right now, it's pretty dry, because following only “works” if you view the front page. But since I don't do that much, I'm often left to the elements to figure out what new projects were shared by who. The solution: messages. If you follow someone, you receive updates about the user you followed, but emphasis falls short on “receive updates” because you don't actually receive notifications. So whenever someone shares a project or makes/curates/follows a studio, you'll receive a message.

Changing ‘following’ to subscribing would be great, as it fits the description of following better. ‘Following’ sounds like social networks and that, subscribing is more descriptive of what it is.

I would like constructive feedback and more solutions please. cheese

mathfreak231 wrote:

how about just limiting the amount of people one can follow; there's really no need to follow more than 10 or 20 Scratchers that you know irl or that inspire you

#2 Keep following, but remove the list of followers and number count. Rename it subscribing.

Zro716 wrote:

#3 1) Rename follow as “subscribe”, because it better fits “receiving updates” than following which some people interpret as friends on twitter; 2) Put the follower/following lists below profile comments –or hide them altogether– to show they are less of a priority than most other things; 3)

Chainmanner wrote:

What'll renaming it to “subscribers” do? And I don't see much of a problem here yet.

Scrathygirl wrote:

Chainmanner wrote:

What'll renaming it to “subscribers” do? And I don't see much of a problem here yet.

Exactly…

Zro716 wrote:

Conclusion
1) Scratch needs to change ‘following’ to something else. Like subscribing, or friends. It would also be nice if it was personal and unique to scratch.
2) Whatever its called, all the bars and stats with how many there are must go in the bin
3) Give Scratchers more ideas for what projects to make instead of just using Scratch as a social site.

cheeseeater wrote:

Following is now officially out of hand. Have you seen the all the accounts, which purpose is just to F4F? Not meaning to name and shame, but to prove my point here is one. Quite a few scratchers have left over this, though in my opinion they just left because they where moving on and decided to make a meal out of it. Anywhoo, here is what needs to be done:

#1 Remove followers and alike ideas

(not recommended)

#2 Keep following, but remove the list of followers and number count. Rename it subscribing.

(recommended)

Zro716 wrote:

#3 1) Rename follow as “subscribe”, because it better fits “receiving updates” than following which some people interpret as friends on twitter; 2) Put the follower/following lists below profile comments –or hide them altogether– to show they are less of a priority than most other things; 3) Maybe put up an announcement that the Scratch Team is at least aware of the follow trades and are deciding its future.

AonymousGuy wrote:

#4
Because following makes a user seem “popular”, and being “popular” is something that people seem to want to do, people will do anything to get more followers.I thought of something that might help - make it so when 2 users are following each other, the users are both taken from the follower count and instead added to a “friends” list - which does not tell you the number, only the names of the users. This would make sense, because if two users are following each other, they are doing so because they are either friends IRL, or both like the other's projects, making a more “friendly” connection between the users, thus making them more “friends” than followers.This way, F4F will not increase a user's follower count at all, while still allowing users to know who they are friends with, and still allowing users to receive notifications.

Zro716 wrote:

#5 So I think I know how to fix the follow system. Right now, it's pretty dry, because following only “works” if you view the front page. But since I don't do that much, I'm often left to the elements to figure out what new projects were shared by who. The solution: messages. If you follow someone, you receive updates about the user you followed, but emphasis falls short on “receive updates” because you don't actually receive notifications. So whenever someone shares a project or makes/curates/follows a studio, you'll receive a message.

Changing ‘following’ to subscribing would be great, as it fits the description of following better. ‘Following’ sounds like social networks and that, subscribing is more descriptive of what it is.

I would like constructive feedback and more solutions please. cheese

Blaze349 wrote:

Scrathygirl wrote:

Chainmanner wrote:

What'll renaming it to “subscribers” do? And I don't see much of a problem here yet.

Exactly…

One word: Y o u t u b e.

mathfreak231 wrote:

Blaze349 wrote:

Scrathygirl wrote:

Chainmanner wrote:

What'll renaming it to “subscribers” do? And I don't see much of a problem here yet.

Exactly…

One word: Y o u t u b e.

it's not like people never beg for “subscribers” either

Barnabas09 wrote:

cheeseeater wrote:

Following is now officially out of hand. Have you seen the all the accounts, which purpose is just to F4F? Not meaning to name and shame, but to prove my point here is one. Quite a few scratchers have left over this, though in my opinion they just left because they where moving on and decided to make a meal out of it. Anywhoo, here is what needs to be done:

#1 Remove followers and alike ideas

(not recommended)

#2 Keep following, but remove the list of followers and number count. Rename it subscribing.

(recommended)

Zro716 wrote:

#3 1) Rename follow as “subscribe”, because it better fits “receiving updates” than following which some people interpret as friends on twitter; 2) Put the follower/following lists below profile comments –or hide them altogether– to show they are less of a priority than most other things; 3) Maybe put up an announcement that the Scratch Team is at least aware of the follow trades and are deciding its future.

AonymousGuy wrote:

#4
Because following makes a user seem “popular”, and being “popular” is something that people seem to want to do, people will do anything to get more followers.I thought of something that might help - make it so when 2 users are following each other, the users are both taken from the follower count and instead added to a “friends” list - which does not tell you the number, only the names of the users. This would make sense, because if two users are following each other, they are doing so because they are either friends IRL, or both like the other's projects, making a more “friendly” connection between the users, thus making them more “friends” than followers.This way, F4F will not increase a user's follower count at all, while still allowing users to know who they are friends with, and still allowing users to receive notifications.

Zro716 wrote:

#5 So I think I know how to fix the follow system. Right now, it's pretty dry, because following only “works” if you view the front page. But since I don't do that much, I'm often left to the elements to figure out what new projects were shared by who. The solution: messages. If you follow someone, you receive updates about the user you followed, but emphasis falls short on “receive updates” because you don't actually receive notifications. So whenever someone shares a project or makes/curates/follows a studio, you'll receive a message.

Changing ‘following’ to subscribing would be great, as it fits the description of following better. ‘Following’ sounds like social networks and that, subscribing is more descriptive of what it is.

I would like constructive feedback and more solutions please. cheese

Sorry, but I don't approve about this.