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WindOctahedron
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Bringing topics down

I've noticed that most closed topics that appear on the first pages aren't really useful and take up space that can be used for open topics with not so many replies…
I came up with a solution to this: bringing topics down!
A Scratch Team member can click on a button that says something like “Bring topic down” and it will appear on the last page.
It's a feature exclusive to the Scratch Team, so users cannot use it to bully or offend others.
“Why won't you suggest editing the code so that closed threads immediately go to the last page?” Did you read the first sentence carefully? "I've noticed that most closed topics…" Not all closed topics are useless.

Last edited by WindOctahedron (June 26, 2019 19:16:54)

Disc0Danny
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100+ posts

Bringing topics down

Support! I agree what you said.
WindOctahedron
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Bump.
BlueStarPort
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100+ posts

Bringing topics down

Support, this would make a small amount of posts be seen more, and the useless/spammish topics won’t be seen.
Troyer_Kem
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Support. Not much else to say…
NilsTheBest
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

I have a mixed point of view on this one.

On one hand, this could indeed be useful because this way, it would save more space for topics that need help or discussion. On the other hand, if we're gonna move all of the closed topics at the very bottom of the forum, then why not have a completely different section on the forums containing all of the closed topics? Would there be twice as much forums?
Botcho_Otkho
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Bringing topics down

This has downsides though: what about a question in the QaS forum that has been closed because it has been answered, but still contains helpful info? What about a topic in the Bugs and Glitches forum that has reported a bug, but it has been closed because it isn't really a bug? It would be useful for other people that thought of it as a bug. These are just examples, but I think this suggestion would cause problems.
WindOctahedron
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Bringing topics down

Botcho_Otkho wrote:

This has downsides though: what about a question in the QaS forum that has been closed because it has been answered, but still contains helpful info? What about a topic in the Bugs and Glitches forum that has reported a bug, but it has been closed because it isn't really a bug? It would be useful for other people that thought of it as a bug. These are just examples, but I think this suggestion would cause problems.

I wrote:

“Why won't you suggest editing the code so that closed threads immediately go to the last page?” Did you read the first sentence carefully? "I've noticed that most closed topics…" Not all closed topics are useless.
See? My suggestion is to activate the feature manually and exclusively by the Scratch Team, and they know what they are doing.

Last edited by WindOctahedron (June 27, 2019 17:58:38)

Botcho_Otkho
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Bringing topics down

WindOctahedron wrote:

I wrote:

“Why won't you suggest editing the code so that closed threads immediately go to the last page?” Did you read the first sentence carefully? "I've noticed that most closed topics…" Not all closed topics are useless.
If you say “most” instead of “all”, it won't change the suggestion's result.

WindOctahedron wrote:

See? My suggestion is to activate the feature manually and exclusively by the Scratch Team, and they know what they are doing.
I think it was obvious. Just, wouldn't organizing useful and useless topics, give the ST more work?
WindOctahedron
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Bringing topics down

Botcho_Otkho wrote:

WindOctahedron wrote:

I wrote:

“Why won't you suggest editing the code so that closed threads immediately go to the last page?” Did you read the first sentence carefully? "I've noticed that most closed topics…" Not all closed topics are useless.
If you say “most” instead of “all”, it won't change the suggestion's result.
“Most of the time, drinking water does no harm.” -> correct
“Drinking water does no harm, ever.” -> incorrect (What if the water is 200°C?)
And yes, I understand that it won't change the suggestion's result and that this is related to your question below, but because of that, read my answer below.

Botcho_Otkho wrote:

WindOctahedron wrote:

See? My suggestion is to activate the feature manually and exclusively by the Scratch Team, and they know what they are doing.
I think it was obvious. Just, wouldn't organizing useful and useless topics, give the ST more work?
Okay, let me think.
Premise A: Before bringing down a topic, one has to think whether it's useful or not.
Premise B: The factors that determine its usefullness? are:
  • The info there;
  • Like you said, something that prevents a user from asking about a bug that isn't really a bug, or again, the information about that.
Conclusion: The only thing one has to think about is the information there, which one already gains when reading the original post and the replies to it while scrolling down (and they can think about that while they are reading). That means that there is more work, but not that much.
EZ-Games
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Support, this would help get closed topics that include commonly asked questions, rejected suggestions that are suggested, spam, and other useless topics out of the way.

Last edited by EZ-Games (June 29, 2019 12:05:15)

WindOctahedron
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Bump.
Nambaseking01
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Semi-support.

Firstly, this would really help frequent users on the forums. I like the idea a little bit.

But as IKEA Chair said —

NilsTheBest wrote:

Then why not have a completely different section on the forums containing all of the closed topics? Would there be twice as much forums?

— we could have a completely other page for closed pages.
I need to leave, sorry for the fast message!
GullumIncComicz
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Bringing topics down

Nambaseking01 wrote:

Semi-support.

Firstly, this would really help frequent users on the forums. I like the idea a little bit.

But as IKEA Chair said —

NilsTheBest wrote:

Then why not have a completely different section on the forums containing all of the closed topics? Would there be twice as much forums?

— we could have a completely other page for closed pages.
I need to leave, sorry for the fast message!
^ Also semi-support for this reason, it would be better to have a seperate area for all the closed topics.
WindOctahedron
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Bringing topics down

NilsTheBest wrote:

On the other hand, if we're gonna move all of the closed topics at the very bottom of the forum, then why not have a completely different section on the forums containing all of the closed topics?
I also thought about that, but…
Would there be twice as much forums?
…that is the problem. If there was a separate section for closed topics on the forums for each individual section with (mostly) open topics, that would be a bit of a waste of space. However, if there was one for all the open sections, it would be a mess.

Last edited by WindOctahedron (July 3, 2019 10:48:57)

WindOctahedron
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Bump.
WindOctahedron
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Bump.
Starstriker3000
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Semi-support. What if the post's owner, after seeing their post was brought down, bumps it back up?
WindOctahedron
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1000+ posts

Bringing topics down

Starstriker3000 wrote:

Semi-support. What if the post's owner, after seeing their post was brought down, bumps it back up?
Only closed topics can be brought down.
openPoll
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Bringing topics down

WindOctahedron wrote:

“Most of the time, drinking water does no harm.” -> correct
“Drinking water does no harm, ever.” -> incorrect (What if the water is 200°C?)
water is a poison

Last edited by openPoll (July 25, 2019 18:30:40)

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