StevenTheSquare wrote:

This has been here for 15 days… OVER TWO WEEKS… and no scratch admins have replied yet.
What's it take? We have 26 supporters, and no unsupporters. You couldn't at least say “I looked at it, will think about this later.”?

StevenTheSquare wrote:

I would like to have customizable permission settings for studio curators and managers.

The reason I say this is I have been manager of multiple studios where there are many managers, and some troll will come along, as to join, and then they remove all the curators and managers, delete as many projects as they have time to do, and then change the title and image so people have a really hard time figuring out what happened to the studio.

Allow me to outline my idea for how this would work.

List of various permissions that pertain to studios, organized into levels of power:
0. The basics (even non-curators have these, they cannot be taken away) comment, view
1. Remove their own projects from the studio
2. Add their projects to the studio
3. Invite scratchers to curate
4. Remove other peoples' projects from the studio
5. Promote people from curator to manager
6. Remove curators from the studio
7. Edit the studio image
8. Demote managers to curators
9. Edit the studio title
10. Edit the studio description
11. Change permissions of specific managers and curators
12. Change the default permission settings for the studio for manager, curator, and non-curators

StevenTheSquare wrote:

*edit: owners should be able to make a blacklist so that managers don't re-add people the owner removed.

Samrya wrote:

I like this idea; however I do think it's too complex. We don't need 12 levels/stages/ranks/whatever. It's confusing and has too many things to keep straight, especially for a website designed for mostly 10- to 12-year-olds (no offense if that's your age). Even at 17 years of life and 7 years of Scratch, 12 levels just doesn't seem fun or easy to maneuver to me. Also:

StevenTheSquare wrote:

*edit: owners should be able to make a blacklist so that managers don't re-add people the owner removed.

{ What I Propose }

0 - Non-Curator: comment, view, remove their own projects from the studio (AE aka Add Everything studios will add your projects without permission, so you should be able to remove them)
1 - Curator: Add their projects to the studio
2 - Editor: Remove other peoples' projects from the studio and invite curators
3 - Editor: Edit studio image/title/description
4 - Manager: Promote people to editor, remove curators from the studio, and demote managers to curators.
5 - Manager: Change permissions of all members up to level 4 (no default settings).
As a side note, the owner of the studio can not be demoted or deleted by anyone.


{ Changes I Made }

- combined 0 & 1
- combined 3 & 4
- combined 7, 9, & 10 and put them earlier in the rankings
- combined 5, 6, & 8
- As a level 5 (previously 11) you can change permissions of ALL members in lower ranks.
- removed default settings

Sorry if I'm being too harsh! >.< I'm just trying to be objective and realistic. I just thought the idea needed some polishing up. In general, I do like this idea, because trolling is a real problem in studios, partly because the jump from curator to manager is too big.

scratch-explored wrote:

this is a good idea. but it can cause braging such as Hey! I have this power. it can also be really hard to understand such as 29 new buttons. It would be a good feature. but people may feel disapointed.

StevenTheSquare wrote:

I would like to have customizable permission settings for studio curators and managers.

The reason I say this is I have been manager of multiple studios where there are many managers, and some troll will come along, as to join, and then they remove all the curators and managers, delete as many projects as they have time to do, and then change the title and image so people have a really hard time figuring out what happened to the studio.

Allow me to outline my idea for how this would work.

List of various permissions that pertain to studios, organized into levels of power:
0. The basics (even non-curators have these, they cannot be taken away) comment, view
1. Remove their own projects from the studio
2. Add their projects to the studio
3. Invite scratchers to curate
4. Remove other peoples' projects from the studio
5. Promote people from curator to manager
6. Remove curators from the studio
7. Edit the studio image
8. Demote managers to curators
9. Edit the studio title
10. Edit the studio description
11. Change permissions of specific managers and curators
12. Change the default permission settings for the studio for manager, curator, and non-curator

All scratchers have access to 0. It cannot be removed. (hence why it is 0 and not 1) Everyone can always view, and if comments are taken from some, they are taken from all, to prevent discrimination.
You can optionally let default non-curators have 1 and 2 as well, but not more than that.
Default curators have access to 0-2. Permission 1 can not be taken away from curators or managers.
Default managers have access to 0-10.
The owner has access to all of the permissions, and no one can take permissions from the owner.
People with 11 change specific settings for certain scratchers, like if I trust some managers more than others, I will give them more permissions, and if I trust them less, I will remove permissions.
People with 12 can change the defaults, so for all scratchers not with special permissions, any default non-curator, curator, and manager.

This is just a suggestion, but I think it would be VERY useful to the studio-owners. I am sick and tired of trolls and I think this would be a good way to mitigate them.

I have also made a project outlining the same idea, and to raise support.

*edit: I'm not saying you can't turn commenting off, I'm saying that commenting is either on or off, and you can't say “only these people can comment.”

Why I ranked them in the order I did:
0. Everyone should be able to see studios, and if commenting is active, comment on them. No discrimination here guys.
1. If you don't want your project in a studio, you should be able to remove it.
2. Adding projects is kind of what curators are for anyhow, but sometimes owners don't want curators adding without permission to make sure the projects fit.
3. The troll issue stems from this. A lot of owners want as many curators as possible, so they let everyone manage, and the trolls get the power to troll.
4. Removing other peoples' work is really rude and people do it in contests and the like, but sometimes projects are inappropriate to the studio.
5. Promoting people gives them power. Not everyone should be able to promote.
6. Removing curators is a big problem. Keeping the trolls from doing it defeats them.
7. Editing the studio image is a huge nuisance since it makes it hard to find the studio, but it is easily fixed, and sometimes you want them to add a better image.
8. Demoting other managers should be able to be restricted, if you want certain people to manage but don't want them demoting each-other. (add a demote button so we don't have to remove and re-invite!)
9. The studio title is how people know what your studio is, and how they search for it, so changing it should be very restricted.
10. The description is often the part of the studio that the owner worked the hardest on, and should be protected.
11. Changing specific people can be used as discipline, or a sign of trust.
12. Changing the defaults changes the setting for everyone without a special setting, so it has a bigger impact than 11.

Scratch admins: if this is too complex, you could skip 11 and go straight to 12. If it's still too complex, you could put a “curators can invite” button, similar to the “anyone can add projects” button.

*edit: owners should be able to make a blacklist so that managers don't re-add people the owner removed.

*edit: List of supporters, and reasons why this doesn't just apply to one type of studio

*edit: How I think this should be done: There should be on people, instead of a “Promote” button, a “Settings” button, in which would be the “Promote” and “Demote” buttons, but also a slider that would allow you to customize their specific permissions. And then also, in the curators tab would be a button that only people with permission level 12 would have, labeled “Studio Permissions” in which they could change the sliders for Managers, Curators, and Non-curators, as well as add or remove usernames to the blacklist. People with level 5 would just see the Promote button on curators. People with 8 could see the Demote button for managers and Promote button on curators. Only people with 11 and 12 would see those as a Settings button, and only people with 12 would see the Studio Permissions button. You wouldn't be able to change permissions for individual non-curators specifically (aside from blacklisting them), just the defaults for them. Like the “Anyone can add projects,” that would be under the non-curator permissions settings.

abogaczyk wrote:

Now Let's Go The Trolls!!!

Dragonlord767 wrote:

I have already voiced my support for this, however I have been thinking about it, and have an idea for how this could work.
There could be a drop down menu with check boxes next to each member's name. What boxes are checked would say what that member is allowed to do.

StevenTheSquare wrote:

Dragonlord767 wrote:

I have already voiced my support for this, however I have been thinking about it, and have an idea for how this could work.
There could be a drop down menu with check boxes next to each member's name. What boxes are checked would say what that member is allowed to do.

Woot! I'm already a step ahead, made a revision to the original post! Glad to know that someone else thought of it the same way too, though, because that means the idea is feasible!

venyanwarrior wrote:

This is intriguing. Would this be kinda like discord server ranks? If so, semi-support. I can see how this would be useful, but would it have a bad word filter?

venyanwarrior wrote:

This is intriguing. Would this be kinda like discord server ranks? If so, semi-support. I can see how this would be useful, but would it have a bad word filter?

ChiaJia wrote:

venyanwarrior wrote:

This is intriguing. Would this be kinda like discord server ranks? If so, semi-support. I can see how this would be useful, but would it have a bad word filter?

What I got from this suggestion is that it's like Discord permissions/roles/server ranks. But why would there need to be a bad-word filter?

54329 wrote:

venyanwarrior wrote:

This is intriguing. Would this be kinda like discord server ranks? If so, semi-support. I can see how this would be useful, but would it have a bad word filter?

It would be the same filter as the rest of Scratch… I'm confused by this point - it doesn't mention removing the bad work filter anywhere in the suggestion…

ChiaJia wrote:

venyanwarrior wrote:

This is intriguing. Would this be kinda like discord server ranks? If so, semi-support. I can see how this would be useful, but would it have a bad word filter?

What I got from this suggestion is that it's like Discord permissions/roles/server ranks. But why would there need to be a bad-word filter?

Yup. (Sorry, not much more to add to this. xD)

venyanwarrior wrote:

Sorry, the thought just came to mind.