mathfreak231 wrote:

StarscreamClone wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

I don't support this. From the perspective of someone who has never been featured, I don't think this is much of an improvement that isn't already given by Featured Projects.

From the perspective of someone who hasn't been featured, I still think it's a great idea to recognize unknown Scratchers in addition to the featuring system already implemented.

More isn't always better. I don't see what this idea has that Featured Projects doesn't already have. And what is the definition of “unknown Scratcher”?

I never said it was, but I do not see this as being excess. And by ‘unknown Scratcher’ I mean people who are not generally well-known by the community, make great projects and are helpful/friendly.

StarscreamClone wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

StarscreamClone wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

I don't support this. From the perspective of someone who has never been featured, I don't think this is much of an improvement that isn't already given by Featured Projects.

From the perspective of someone who hasn't been featured, I still think it's a great idea to recognize unknown Scratchers in addition to the featuring system already implemented.

More isn't always better. I don't see what this idea has that Featured Projects doesn't already have. And what is the definition of “unknown Scratcher”?

I never said it was, but I do not see this as being excess. And by ‘unknown Scratcher’ I mean people who are not generally well-known by the community, make great projects and are helpful/friendly.

I never said you said it was. I was just using the saying to get my opinion across a little.

At this point I don't even know what to say. So I'll weigh your definition based on someone I know better than anyone else: me.
I see myself as “not generally well-known”, because I don't see people referencing me as a great Scratcher (just PZ7 and Griff), although my follower count says otherwise. Those are mainly just my IRL friends, Follow Everyone accounts, people I've approved the accounts of on the Scratch Wiki, and people I've helped in the now obsolete Scratch Helping Team.
I help people a lot and try to be as active in the Scratch community as possible, but my projects might not be so “great”.
But there's another ambiguous term right there: how great is “great”?

If we were to make this feature fit to the definitions given by you and the OP, we would need better ways to weigh “unknown” scratchers and “great” projects. And I see a worst-case scenario: “unfollow me i'm trying to meet the requirements for featured scratchers”
If we were to feature just about every Scratcher suggested, we will see people making alts to get their mains featured, friends making deals like follow4follow, and more experienced Scratchers complaining that the Featured Scratchers row doesn't really mean anything anymore.
And if we were to set forth requirements similar to that of Featured Projects, we get the “excess” I mentioned.

Are there any other ways we could do this? I'm really curious, and we may even reach a compromise that would work for both of us. It's happened before with stubborn ol' me and others on the Wiki (even though I was on the majority side that time).

I do see your point, and maybe it would refer to Scratchers who ST decides on, perhaps based on one or more of the terms I said above and not necessarily all of them. I think the worst case scenario is unlikely, as the same principles would apply as Featured Projects (I would imagine), and I think it would be highly improbable that ST would fall for something like that.

mathfreak231 wrote:

What is the definition of “unknown Scratcher”?

A Scratch user who makes really good projects, but doesn't get noticed.

StarscreamClone wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

StarscreamClone wrote:

mathfreak231 wrote:

I don't support this. From the perspective of someone who has never been featured, I don't think this is much of an improvement that isn't already given by Featured Projects.

From the perspective of someone who hasn't been featured, I still think it's a great idea to recognize unknown Scratchers in addition to the featuring system already implemented.

More isn't always better. I don't see what this idea has that Featured Projects doesn't already have. And what is the definition of “unknown Scratcher”?

I never said it was, but I do not see this as being excess. And by ‘unknown Scratcher’ I mean people who are not generally well-known by the community, make great projects and are helpful/friendly.

That too. (That's a better explanation than mine)

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Failord wrote:

Hmmm… again, this has been suggested many times to the ST.

I can't offer my opinion, because, well, I have none. Here's why:

Pros:
Scratchers with more experience get their work seen more.
Featured Scratchers get a morale boost.
The community gets to see examples of the best ways to use Scratch.
More focus on quality.
Popularity spreading from Featured Scratchers to the others that show up linked in their profiles.
New Scratchers who need a boost and get featured will feel much more encouraged.

And now, unfortuately, the
Cons:
Featured Scratchers bragging.
New Scratchers might feel discouraged by this.
Spam-like “feature me!” requests. (I mean more stuff like this. It's a con with almost any suggestion.)
Farther imbalance from focus on projects to a Scratcher's popularity.
Hate messages: “You think you're so cool ‘cause you’re featured but you're not” type of thing.
More work for the Scratch Team. (Another con that is almost universal.)
When featured Scratchers turn rotten or do stupid things.

Perhaps the Pros list should be longer. If anyone can name some stuff I forgot, let me know.

Another Pro:
Cons 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7 can already happen with Featured Projects and Studios.

spgame05 wrote:

Failord wrote:

Cons:
1: Featured Scratchers bragging. :(
2: New Scratchers might feel discouraged by this.
3: Spam-like “feature me!” requests. (I mean more stuff like this. It's a con with almost any suggestion.)
Farther imbalance from focus on projects to a Scratcher's popularity.
5: Hate messages: “You think you're so cool ‘cause you’re featured but you're not” type of thing.
More work for the Scratch Team. (Another con that is almost universal.)
7: When featured Scratchers turn rotten or do stupid things.

Perhaps the Pros list should be longer. If anyone can name some stuff I forgot, let me know.

Another Pro:
Cons 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7 can already happen with Featured Projects and Studios.

Very true. The point is that it will majorly intensify if we place more focus on the user rather than their work.

support! we need this! we could have like a user of the week or something

That516Kid wrote:

support! we need this! we could have like a user of the week or something

What would the user be chosen on? You know, this could hurt other people's feelings and might even cause them to leave.

poniesareso wrote:

That516Kid wrote:

support! we need this! we could have like a user of the week or something

What would the user be chosen on? You know, this could hurt other people's feelings and might even cause them to leave.

Like for people who make friendly/great/helpful projects that barely get noticed. Not just popular Scratchers.

NolanAwesome wrote:

poniesareso wrote:

That516Kid wrote:

support! we need this! we could have like a user of the week or something

What would the user be chosen on? You know, this could hurt other people's feelings and might even cause them to leave.

Like for people who make friendly/great/helpful projects that barely get noticed. Not just popular Scratchers.

Now THAT is a good idea, to feature Scratchers who deserve more attention

I don't support the current details you have given. I understand where it can go, the positives and what can come out of it, but you haven't even mentioned any of that. Sorry, no support.

NolanAwesome wrote:

I think we should have a featured users section. I see a lot of really good users that don't get noticed. (And no I'm NOT trying to get noticed with this.)
Here's my idea:

No support this is not really important. If you want to get noticed then use the forums. And what would the requirements be? A vote?

Blaze349 wrote:

NolanAwesome wrote:

I think we should have a featured users section. I see a lot of really good users that don't get noticed. (And no I'm NOT trying to get noticed with this.)
Here's my idea:

No support this is not really important. If you want to get noticed then use the forums. And what would the requirements be? A vote?

I think the ST would look for users. And maybe you could you propose users like how you can propose projects to be featured.

The arguments in here are pretty much like this (project-featuring for example):

OP: “Scratch Team, I suggest you feature a project by a less-known Scratcher every day”
Proponent: “Support, this will greatly help to balance fame in the community and open new doors to creative programming”
Opponent: “No support, people will be upset that they didn't get their awesome project featured and will say mean things and will leave because they aren't getting the attention they don't deserve while the featured user boasts that (s)he got featured”

Seriously, people are overlooking this as a horrible idea because of fame. Sometimes featuring one project allows only a small view of a Scratcher's potential, but featuring a user would reveal all of his/her programming potential and creativity.

So to feature a Scratcher, another user must provide an explanation of his/her potential, creativity, helpfulness, honesty, or other traits that should be praised in the community. The Scratch Team can only feature one user a day, and users can remain featured indefinitely until another user is elected. Here are some reasons users may be featured:

This user was featured because (s)he helped dozens of other Scratchers with their scripts on the forums.
This user was featured because (s)he created many helpful tutorials for other users to benefit from.
This user was featured because (s)he dedicated his/her time to stop online bullying and gave many nice comments.

I support this idea, I feel like this will be a great idea for the website. Though reading through some of the replies I think they are mistaking a few things, so let me clear some things up.

Some saying this will bring unfriendly competition to the website? Oh, those people must of forgot we have several other rows that may bring in unfriendly cometition. Let's not forget that these rows on the homepage DO NOT bring in unfriendly competition, so that just throughs that out of the cons window.

Now people are groaning about fame… Seriously people? Your making fame seem as if it is a bad thing. Fame is a wonderful thing, it shows that you have people how desire to be like you, it means your setting a good example. Though fame can be a complicated matter to new users, in all honesty, fame is the only way your projects are going to get greatly recognised. There's another con knocked off the list.

Now let's move on to why users would get featured if the row was supposedly added to the Scratch website. Well, it would be more then just their projects that would get them featured as ProdigyZeta7 pointed out:

This user was featured because (s)he helped dozens of other Scratchers with their scripts on the forums.
This user was featured because (s)he created many helpful tutorials for other users to benefit from.
This user was featured because (s)he dedicated his/her time to stop online bullying and gave many nice comments.

Nice move there, ProdigyZeta7. Any other con about this suggestion, tell me, please. Becuase I am sure there WILL be a work around to it.
-WASDgamer

Chibi-Matoran wrote:

Blaze349 wrote:

NolanAwesome wrote:

I think we should have a featured users section. I see a lot of really good users that don't get noticed. (And no I'm NOT trying to get noticed with this.)
Here's my idea:

No support this is not really important. If you want to get noticed then use the forums. And what would the requirements be? A vote?

I think the ST would look for users. And maybe you could you propose users like how you can propose projects to be featured.

Ok, then support.