ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

helloyowuzzup wrote:

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

Blueinkproductions wrote:

You would change this before you were banned and the default would be off.

But if the default is off why would someone want to turn it on?

Ask blue and I said, we would want people to know what had happened if we were to be banned.

But in retrospect would you really want everyone to know that you were banned for:
- Swearing / Racial remarks
- Uploading inappropriate content
- Abusing the report system
- Threatening others
- Impersonating another user
- Stealing content / claiming ownership
These are akin to criminal offenses. Why anyone would be okay to show everyone how bad they were is beyond my reasoning.

Why would someone do these things in the first place? If you do something wrong, I don't think you have a right to keep things private if it's a criminal offense; if someone did something that could get him/her into trouble with the law, I would like to know so I can take any precautions myself or my parental units deem necessary.

Blueinkproductions wrote:

You might want people to know that you are banned, sometimes by mistake, anyway, I doubt I'm going to be banned. Also, people can be banned for other reasons.

You have to commit a serious offense, sometimes several times, if you want to get banned, and prior to that you get up to three warnings. By then you should have learned to not repeat those offenses; if not, you deserve to be banned, but not so punishingly as to let everyone know how ignorant you were to follow the rules.

If you do get banned for small offenses, you can regain your account via an appeals message to the Scratch Team. Just accept the reason for your punishment and they will usually release you, but please do not fight them on it (violence only worsens the ban). If worse comes to worst you should have a trusted adult contact the front office of MIT to have your account unblocked. In the worst case scenario you probably shouldn't be on Scratch.

The point is that no matter what gets you banned it's your business to regain your account. You can explain to everyone after you are unblocked the reason for your ban. There is no need to alarm everyone with “The Scratch Team banned this user because he/she {posted gory photos of dead children // called someone a noob” on your profile and cause panic attacks and riots around the community. Even without mobs going around protesting someone's ban it should be mandatory to keep the reasons for a person's ban confidential.

StarscreamClone wrote:

Why would someone do these things in the first place? If you do something wrong, I don't think you have a right to keep things private if it's a criminal offense; if someone did something that could get him/her into trouble with the law, I would like to know so I can take any precautions myself or my parental units deem necessary.

You're right, why would someone want to do these? While these certainly are worst case scenarios for a ban, there are vast numbers of other reasons for serious bans, even by myriad offenses. You are also right that you don't have a right to privacy for criminal offenses; BUT, unless otherwise specified by one of the Scratch Team members, they are obliged to keep user information confidential, including reasons for account bans, even if their offenses are off-the-charts horrific.

Let's stop arguing about why someone would do what or why they'd want something—it doesn't really matter why someone wants something, we're just saying the fact is that they want something and it's not unreasonable, so I tried proposing a solution to it. We don't need to get into moral issues or why anyone would do something, because everyone's going to be in a bad mood sometime, and everyone's going to say something they wish they hadn't said at some point in their life.

I'm on PZ7's side this time. We did abolish the Banned User template on the wiki…

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

The point is that no matter what gets you banned it's your business to regain your account. You can explain to everyone after you are unblocked the reason for your ban. There is no need to alarm everyone with “The Scratch Team banned this user because he/she {posted gory photos of dead children // called someone a noob” on your profile and cause panic attacks and riots around the community. Even without mobs going around protesting someone's ban it should be mandatory to keep the reasons for a person's ban confidential.

Actually, what we're saying is that it wouldn't say why they were banned- it would just say ‘this user has been temporarily banned’ or something. It could even include a message saying 'Please do not ask about the ban; it is 's business' XD Or it could have a link to a place that said why they put the message there and stuff.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

The point is that no matter what gets you banned it's your business to regain your account. You can explain to everyone after you are unblocked the reason for your ban. There is no need to alarm everyone with “The Scratch Team banned this user because he/she {posted gory photos of dead children // called someone a noob” on your profile and cause panic attacks and riots around the community. Even without mobs going around protesting someone's ban it should be mandatory to keep the reasons for a person's ban confidential.

Actually, what we're saying is that it wouldn't say why they were banned- it would just say ‘this user has been temporarily banned’ or something.

If people know that someone got banned, they will do things like ask in that user's comments: “Why did you get banned?”, and then other people might start spreading rumors like “Oh, yeah, I heard that so-and-so posted a project promoting violence” or something like that, which could really harm the user - especially because they might not know how to stop it.

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

StarscreamClone wrote:

Why would someone do these things in the first place? If you do something wrong, I don't think you have a right to keep things private if it's a criminal offense; if someone did something that could get him/her into trouble with the law, I would like to know so I can take any precautions myself or my parental units deem necessary.

You're right, why would someone want to do these? While these certainly are worst case scenarios for a ban, there are vast numbers of other reasons for serious bans, even by myriad offenses. You are also right that you don't have a right to privacy for criminal offenses; BUT, unless otherwise specified by one of the Scratch Team members, they are obliged to keep user information confidential, including reasons for account bans, even if their offenses are off-the-charts horrific.

I do agree with you somewhat. For a ban like trolling or arguments, you should be able to keep it to yourself; some of us are just hotheads. I do think that the reason should be displayed publicly in these worst-case scenarios for the reasons I mentioned above. As for ST needing to keep info private, I would imagine that, like with counselors, information can be revealed in the event that someone could be in danger of some sort.

- name removed by moderator. Please don't name users in posts; if you wish to make the Scratch Team aware of a problem please use the contact form - should be banned then! He's stolen stuff TWICE

huh, maybe when a user isndeleted/banned, you can still see their account, but it says (banned, or left)

Teanaway wrote:

huh, maybe when a user isndeleted/banned, you can still see their account, but it says (banned, or left)

Oh, so if people no longer used their account they could have it say that? Cool idea!

Off topic, but I've always thought that there should be an option to link accounts, or show that a user has multiple accounts. It would show up under their logo on their profile page with a list of the other accounts- small images with the username underneath as a link. So whenever you made a new account, it would ask ‘Do you have any other accounts? Type the username and password of each of them.’ and you'd get a message on the old account when the new account joined so you could okay it. Anyone like that idea?

I think that this would just make rumors worse. I'm sorry, but I do not support this. Plus, when the user comes back, they will be overwhelmed with questions.

What if there was a combination of some of these suggestions? The comments could be turned off and, if the user asked for it to be that way, it would show up as saying they're banned.

I totally agree with this studio. The ST ban people because they want to make the community better, without the less nice people. Thank you for making this. However, when people get banned, people either think, if they don't know the user, that they're a terrible griefer that is trying to destroy scratch and make the community a pile of rumble. However, this is usually not true. What they really did was:

when green flag clicked
say [1. Say a rude comment, such as "You suck." or "I hate you and your projects".] for (10) secs
say [ Note: for this, they usually get several warnings before they're actually banned.] for (2) secs
say [2. Say a swear word. It's similar to 1, but you get less warnings, or no warnings at all, if its really bad.] for (7) secs
say [3. They make a rude project, studio, etc. ] for (9) secs
say [The projects/studios/any other Scratch thing is usually for hating a user or something else, usually a direct person] for (2) secs
say [4. Or, they insult the Scratch team.] for (2) secs
say [Those are pretty much the main reasons.] for (2) secs

And, if the person who was banned had a lot of fans, the fans might go rampaging and make projects/studios telling the ST to unban them. I think both effects are really mean. So, people if you visit someone who got banned, they're not necessarily bad people. And for people who were friends with someone else who was banned, don't tell the ST to unban them. Let the user and the ST sort it out. Thanks!

no support, that would be the equivalent of naming-and-shaming. we're not supposed to publically call out other scratchers for bad behavior, and likewise the st is legally responsible for ensuring the confidentiality of its users. plus, rumors would not stop, they would only grow faster because the user's ban is confirmed, as opposed to speculated by a few stragglers.

if you really want rumors to stop, report them. ask the st to disable comments on profiles spammed with gossip and stuff.

Theory wrote:

They could do this but with a profile pic change of e.g. scratch cat starter profile pic with a red cross through it like ifunny app does and also that message

yea support

Hey, no need to embarass the scratcher.
Simply a message next to the username would be fine.

Zro716 wrote:

no support, that would be the equivalent of naming-and-shaming. we're not supposed to publically call out other scratchers for bad behavior, and likewise the st is legally responsible for ensuring the confidentiality of its users. plus, rumors would not stop, they would only grow faster because the user's ban is confirmed, as opposed to speculated by a few stragglers.

if you really want rumors to stop, report them. ask the st to disable comments on profiles spammed with gossip and stuff.

What you're saying is sort of like what we've already established:

helloyowuzzup wrote:

What if there was a combination of some of these suggestions? The comments could be turned off and, if the user asked for it to be that way, it would show up as saying they're banned.

Because if I were to be banned, to me I would want everyone to know so they wouldn't worry/gossip.

helloyowuzzup wrote:

Zro716 wrote:

no support, that would be the equivalent of naming-and-shaming. we're not supposed to publically call out other scratchers for bad behavior, and likewise the st is legally responsible for ensuring the confidentiality of its users. plus, rumors would not stop, they would only grow faster because the user's ban is confirmed, as opposed to speculated by a few stragglers.

if you really want rumors to stop, report them. ask the st to disable comments on profiles spammed with gossip and stuff.

What you're saying is sort of like what we've already established:

helloyowuzzup wrote:

What if there was a combination of some of these suggestions? The comments could be turned off and, if the user asked for it to be that way, it would show up as saying they're banned.

Because if I were to be banned, to me I would want everyone to know so they wouldn't worry/gossip.

Yeah, it would make sense if I was to be banned, then I'd want people to know. But maybe it'll make me embarrassed.

when green flag clicked
if <[banned?] = [true]> then
    
say [You are banned!] for (2) secs
broadcast [embarrassed]
end
if <[banned and anonymous] = [true]> then
say [No one knows the reason] for (2) secs
broadcast [Gossip and rumors]
    
end

Support

Support! I don't like it when people say I'm banned when I'm not.

How long do you get banned?