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- Davidedo
- Scratcher
17 posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
This post is an idea that I had I just realized that's a little bit of a stupid idea.
If you don't know what Mode 7 is, It was a 3D feature used in SNES games such as F-Zero and Super Mario Kart! As you can see, Mode 7 was made in Scratch! But it may take forever to make. But they can add this feature so you don't have to build the scripts that take 43 years (sarcasm) to make. It can be perfect for racing games! It can revolutionize racing games on Scratch!
If you don't know what Mode 7 is, It was a 3D feature used in SNES games such as F-Zero and Super Mario Kart! As you can see, Mode 7 was made in Scratch! But it may take forever to make. But they can add this feature so you don't have to build the scripts that take 43 years (sarcasm) to make. It can be perfect for racing games! It can revolutionize racing games on Scratch!
Last edited by Davidedo (Oct. 6, 2018 14:29:26)
- dude341
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
No support. This would be too specific, there is no reason to add graphics modes into Scratch, it is very, very easy to recreate in Scratch (it's not going to take forever to make) and it is sort-of rejected:
Scaling and rotating are already features in Scratch, and skewing can be added using a very simple script.
7. 3D ScratchAlso, Mode 7 doesn't add 3D capabilities. It just adds scaling, rotating and skewing stuff. Skewing is where the 3D part comes in.
Scratch is a language that is designed to be as easy as possible for beginners to pick up. Adding 3D would make the language extremely complicated, and much more difficult for beginners to understand. There is a sister program to Scratch that contains 3D features, called Starlogo TNG. However, a different group has started developing a 3D version of Scratch that you can see at www.scratch3d.org. You can also try Alice, which is different from Scratch but has a bunch of stuff in common.
Scaling and rotating are already features in Scratch, and skewing can be added using a very simple script.
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- stickfiregames
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
I think this has been suggested before, but I support this! As dude341 said Mode 7 isn't really 3D in itself, but being able to stretch and skew sprites (although the SNES could only do it to backgrounds IIRC) would be really useful in making 3D among other things.
What is that simple script? I can't think of anything except using pen or separate costumes. skewing can be added using a very simple script.
Last edited by stickfiregames (July 3, 2017 12:21:39)
- dude341
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
making 3D among other things.Your own project has proved you wrong: I think this has been suggested before, but I support this! As dude341 said Mode 7 isn't really 3D in itself, but being able to stretch and skew sprites would be really useful in https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1802709/What is that simple script? I can't think of anything except using pen or separate costumes. skewing can be added using a very simple script.
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- jromagnoli
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
No, he's using separate costumes for that.making 3D among other things.Your own project has proved you wrong: I think this has been suggested before, but I support this! As dude341 said Mode 7 isn't really 3D in itself, but being able to stretch and skew sprites would be really useful in https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1802709/What is that simple script? I can't think of anything except using pen or separate costumes. skewing can be added using a very simple script.
- stickfiregames
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
That uses separate costumes (in fact it uses separate sprites, but these days you could do it with cloning). It also only allows skewing on the axis I ‘sliced’ it along, it doesn't allow rotation, and the sprite gets distorted if you move it too close to the camera.making 3D among other things.Your own project has proved you wrong: I think this has been suggested before, but I support this! As dude341 said Mode 7 isn't really 3D in itself, but being able to stretch and skew sprites would be really useful in https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1802709/What is that simple script? I can't think of anything except using pen or separate costumes. skewing can be added using a very simple script.
It might be possible to rework it to allow any skew axis, but at that point it wouldn't be a “very simple script” any more.
Also, there's a reason I renamed that project from “mode 7 test” years ago - it's not actually like Mode 7 at all.
- Davidedo
- Scratcher
17 posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
But what if its too hard for some people to make Mode 7! And how do you turn?
Last edited by Davidedo (March 12, 2017 16:57:36)
- jromagnoli
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
The whole point is to make it easier to make mode 7. But what if its too hard for some people to make Mode 7! And how do you turn?
- 1a3c5e7g9i
- Scratcher
100+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
If you mean by skewing can be added using a very simple script.effects, it hasn't been implemented.
Here is the topic that is suggesting skewing and two more effects.
Wao how is that possible
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- Super_mario_64
- New to Scratch
5 posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
pls I need this a lot plx just tell me what the simple script is pls
- bobbybee
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the SNES didn't support Mode 5040, but hey.
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- Blaze349
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Being angry doesn't work. pls I need this a lot plx just tell me what the simple script is pls
There are already many good racing games on Scratch. I don't really see the point of such a feature. Also, it may be patented by Nintendo. If you don't know what Mode 7 is, It was a 3D feature used in SNES games such as F-Zero and Super Mario Kart! As you can see, Mode 7 was made in Scratch! But it may take forever to make. But they can add this feature so you don't have to build the scripts that take 43 years (sarcasm) to make. It can be perfect for racing games! It can revolutionize racing games on Scratch!
- dude341
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Nope. Just a graphics card (in this case chip) display mode Also, it may be patented by Nintendo.
Last edited by dude341 (March 7, 2018 21:00:54)
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- YoshiN64
- Scratcher
7 posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Well, maybe this has been brought up before, but here's why it isn't possible, at least simply.
Ahem.
"Mode 7 allows for a layer to be freely ROTATED, SCALED, and Skewed."
In Scratch, we can freely scale and rotate anything, but not skew. So that ends that, doesn't it?
Not really. In theory, we could make several different sprites, and move them to create a similar effect, but… that won't look as fluid.
Otherwise, true Mode 7 in Scratch is all but dead… Yikes.
Ahem.
"Mode 7 allows for a layer to be freely ROTATED, SCALED, and Skewed."
In Scratch, we can freely scale and rotate anything, but not skew. So that ends that, doesn't it?
Not really. In theory, we could make several different sprites, and move them to create a similar effect, but… that won't look as fluid.
Otherwise, true Mode 7 in Scratch is all but dead… Yikes.
Last edited by YoshiN64 (Oct. 2, 2018 17:05:41)
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- TheAdriCoolManDude
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Please don't necropost. This topic is obviously rejected, seen with dude341's post. Well, maybe this has been brought up before, but here's why it isn't possible, at least simply.
Ahem.
"Mode 7 allows for a layer to be freely ROTATED, SCALED, and Skewed."
In Scratch, we can freely scale and rotate anything, but not skew. So that ends that, doesn't it?
Not really. In theory, we could make several different sprites, and move them to create a similar effect, but… that won't look as fluid.
Otherwise, true Mode 7 in Scratch is all but dead… Yikes.
- bybb
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
No? This suggestion is asking for skewing to be added, not 3D Scratch. This topic is obviously rejected, seen with dude341's post.
Mode 7 isn't 3D, it's different ways to transform sprites, skewing being the one allowing 3D.
- Cyborus
- Scratcher
24 posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Alright, let's establish what mode 7 is and isn't, with this video!
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- badatprogrammingibe
- Scratcher
500+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
Please be constructive.Please don't necropost. This topic is obviously rejected, seen with dude341's post. Well, maybe this has been brought up before, but here's why it isn't possible, at least simply.
Ahem.
"Mode 7 allows for a layer to be freely ROTATED, SCALED, and Skewed."
In Scratch, we can freely scale and rotate anything, but not skew. So that ends that, doesn't it?
Not really. In theory, we could make several different sprites, and move them to create a similar effect, but… that won't look as fluid.
Otherwise, true Mode 7 in Scratch is all but dead… Yikes.
- KJRYoshi07
- Scratcher
1000+ posts
(THIS IS OLD) Mode 7!
It isn't a necropost, as it was a pretty constructive post.Please don't necropost. This topic is obviously rejected, seen with dude341's post. Well, maybe this has been brought up before, but here's why it isn't possible, at least simply.
Ahem.
"Mode 7 allows for a layer to be freely ROTATED, SCALED, and Skewed."
In Scratch, we can freely scale and rotate anything, but not skew. So that ends that, doesn't it?
Not really. In theory, we could make several different sprites, and move them to create a similar effect, but… that won't look as fluid.
Otherwise, true Mode 7 in Scratch is all but dead… Yikes.
moved accounts lol