braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

Im Glad its over because now we can finally end this forum

You realise that this thread was pretty much dead and over with until you bumped it back up again, right?

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

It was. Until the repeal. Like telephone service,

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

But certain people believe that the government shouldn't provide utilities.

jromagnoli wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

But certain people believe that the government shouldn't provide utilities.

Even if they do not, the Internet would better as a utility.

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

jromagnoli wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

But certain people believe that the government shouldn't provide utilities.

Even if they do not, the Internet would better as a utility.

if the internet works as a utility, then that means one centralized power. it would be 1984 (by george orwell) all over again. if the electric company doesn't want to give you power, they won't. they also control how much power you get. with an internet utility, they would control what you see(and what you DON'T see) they would control all your online accounts, they could even refuse service because you have a browser that they don't like. it would cause people trying to host sites problems, as they would most likely be forced to pay an arm and a leg as well as go through years of certification. and if the government isn't controlling it, things would get messy and the utility would most likely have more power than the president, because it could control what he does online. Hi, Big Brother!

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

if the government provides the internet it gives them extreme power. remember edward snowden? the government not only provides the roads but also controls them. it would be the same thing with the internet. it should be a network of servers that you can connect to directly, not through a provider.

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

the web doesn't belong to big corporations. its isps that are bad.
with multiple tech giants controlling the internet, that keeps it of of one persons hand.
if google goes bad, then everyone goes to yahoo and amazon. same thing if yahoo or amazon goes bad. then the offending corporation would have to fix the problem and it would go back to the stalemate between them all. if it was a single corporation/govt controlling the internet, then people would have nowhere to go. the web being as centralized as it is is bad, but its not as bad as it could be. keeping it the way it is could be good, as it gives the people more control then it would if it were completely centralized and still keeps things regulated.

BaconAndEggs1School wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

Im Glad its over because now we can finally end this forum

You realise that this thread was pretty much dead and over with until you bumped it back up again, right?

And have you realize that I'm fully aware of that

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

And have you realize that I'm fully aware of that

So why bump it up again???

proffessor4 wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

the web doesn't belong to big corporations. its isps that are bad.
with multiple tech giants controlling the internet, that keeps it of of one persons hand.
if google goes bad, then everyone goes to yahoo and amazon. same thing if yahoo or amazon goes bad. then the offending corporation would have to fix the problem and it would go back to the stalemate between them all. if it was a single corporation/govt controlling the internet, then people would have nowhere to go. the web being as centralized as it is is bad, but its not as bad as it could be. keeping it the way it is could be good, as it gives the people more control then it would if it were completely centralized and still keeps things regulated.

If it were decentralized and unregulated then the free market would keep it cheaper and if you didn't like the isp, you could just switch. As long as the government doesn't pass bottlenecking regulations, it would probably be fine without net neutrality. Just my two cents

proffessor4 wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

jromagnoli wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

But certain people believe that the government shouldn't provide utilities.

Even if they do not, the Internet would better as a utility.

if the internet works as a utility, then that means one centralized power. it would be 1984 (by george orwell) all over again. if the electric company doesn't want to give you power, they won't. they also control how much power you get. with an internet utility, they would control what you see(and what you DON'T see) they would control all your online accounts, they could even refuse service because you have a browser that they don't like. it would cause people trying to host sites problems, as they would most likely be forced to pay an arm and a leg as well as go through years of certification. and if the government isn't controlling it, things would get messy and the utility would most likely have more power than the president, because it could control what he does online. Hi, Big Brother!

Ah, you are looking at it in a different way. I was referring to it as a utility in the sense of a phone line.

proffessor4 wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

if the government provides the internet it gives them extreme power. remember edward snowden? the government not only provides the roads but also controls them. it would be the same thing with the internet. it should be a network of servers that you can connect to directly, not through a provider.

The government doesn't have the right to say, oh you're watering your garden too much, so no more water for you. Or, oh, you're using your power to run a miniature supercomputer in your basement. To be honest, even if they did, why would they care? Same's with the internet. Many cities in the US have laid their own fiber out and offered it as a utility, and the cities rapidly outcompeted the ISPs. Also, the roads are not capable of being locked down indefinitely in America, yet the government controls them. Sure, they can blockade a road for maintenance, planned events, and so on, but is that a bad thing? They never block off the only path to something, so you can still use the non-blocaded roads if you want.

ISP's force you into set plans for set data uses, charge huge overage fees for when you use more, and so on. If the internet were a utility like water, there's no such thing as an ‘overage’. They simply charge you per gigabyte you use.

There is this charm to this forum

Should we close this? Net nuetrality is over so…

braxbroscratcher wrote:

proffessor4 wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

MasterOfTheTiger wrote:

braxbroscratcher wrote:

SoftAndWet wrote:

Generic_Joke2 wrote:

yes Net Neutrality has died good

What's so good about that?

It unlocks the internet to a capitalist scene where the internet can evolve and grow much faster.

As long as they follow the general philosophy of net neutrality, even without the regulations, then things will be fine, but if they abuse it, then we are in huge trouble. See, net neutrality is the idea of keeping everything equal, and the regulations were to be sure of this. The whole world wide web was build apron a foundation of equality. Without it, bad things can happen fast. Even with net neutrality you see these buisinesses abuse their positions and disadvantage their users. The Internet effectively belongs to these tech giants like Google, Facebook, and mostly Amazon. That is something Tim Berners-Lee is trying to fix with his project Solid. The web was made to be decentralized, no central power, and net neutrality is working to help defend it.

In conclusion. Yes, the regulations being lost is bad, but even they did not stop the foundational issue of the web being too centralized.

- MOTT

The internet was never meant to be exposed to consumers. It was invented for scientists, which wouldn't have this problem as the scientists run it.

It was decentralized then, and it needs to be decentralized now. Otherwise we run into major problems.

To be honest, it should be a utility. Like a road, the Internet is really just a way to connect 2 points (IP addresses). Therefore, since roads are govt. provided utilities, so should the Internet.

if the government provides the internet it gives them extreme power. remember edward snowden? the government not only provides the roads but also controls them. it would be the same thing with the internet. it should be a network of servers that you can connect to directly, not through a provider.

The government doesn't have the right to say, oh you're watering your garden too much, so no more water for you. Or, oh, you're using your power to run a miniature supercomputer in your basement. To be honest, even if they did, why would they care? Same's with the internet. Many cities in the US have laid their own fiber out and offered it as a utility, and the cities rapidly outcompeted the ISPs. Also, the roads are not capable of being locked down indefinitely in America, yet the government controls them. Sure, they can blockade a road for maintenance, planned events, and so on, but is that a bad thing? They never block off the only path to something, so you can still use the non-blocaded roads if you want.

ISP's force you into set plans for set data uses, charge huge overage fees for when you use more, and so on. If the internet were a utility like water, there's no such thing as an ‘overage’. They simply charge you per gigabyte you use.

I feel like we are getting off topic. I would love to debate this further on my profile though.

I am for net neutrality, but at the end of the day, what can we do? Complain?
Big time government figures like Ajit won't care what we say. Big time ISP companies like Verizon won't care what we say. The truth is, we can't do anything to change it. Big ISP's like Verizon and Sprint are profiting so much from this repeal of the Net Neu. so they won't be happy to have it back. And if you know how the government works, you'd know that big companies like those pull the strings of the government, behind the scenes. Corrupt? Yes, very. Will the government or the companies admit to this? Use your common sense, nobody would admit to that. If they did admit to this, our government will be brought down and chaos will ensue, and what will this country be then?
Boycott those ISP's? Impossible. Most people use the internet around the USA. It would be NEAR IMPOSSIBLE for the population of the USA to not use the internet, for two reasons:
1) Failure to stop people from using the internet
2) Human nature to check their phone every 2 minutes.

All we can do as a population is to hope that those people in the government who are on our side win this despicable debate.

If I don't sound angry enough, blame the fact that this is scratch and I can't use certain words.