MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

Seems legit.

SPIGGET FINNERS YAY
THEY ARE THE BEST I HAVE 9 OF THEM AT HOME
STEEL BEARING IS NOT AS LONG-LASTING AS CERAMIC BEARING

Hacker_1776 wrote:

SPIGGET FINNERS YAY
THEY ARE THE BEST I HAVE 9 OF THEM AT HOME
STEEL BEARING IS NOT AS LONG-LASTING AS CERAMIC BEARING

Although steel bearing is harder to pop out of their sockets

MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

excuse me but what does that have to do with panic! at the disco

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

I have autism, not entirely the case

They're a little fun to mess around with but it doesn't help me focus, in fact, the opposite appears to be the case, I focus on it rather than what it's supposed to help me focus on (not that I had too much trouble focusing to begin with)

CellularData wrote:

MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

excuse me but what does that have to do with panic! at the disco

a sinner is a panic! fan.

MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

im assuming you're a panic fan. i'm not sure if i'm a sinner but all i can say is that i like their songs

-ColorMaster- wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

I have autism, not entirely the case

They're a little fun to mess around with but it doesn't help me focus, in fact, the opposite appears to be the case, I focus on it rather than what it's supposed to help me focus on (not that I had too much trouble focusing to begin with)

Just because it doesn't work for you specifically doesn't mean no-one is helped by it. There are quite a few individuals who found then useful for focusing and for keeping calm, which I kind of forgot to mention on my first post.

I just don't really like the whole fidget spinner meme because it all stemmed from people who didn't care about their uses seeing them and thinking they'd make cool toys, which ended up causing them to be a popular trend which people were then made fun of for engaging in, including those who were just using them to help themselves. The trend also got them banned in a lot of schools because teachers took one look at the trend and decided they were just fun toys. Now not only can a lot of people who find them helpful not use them when they need to, but they now feel bad using them because of the whole “fidget spinners are for cringey kids xddd” stuff.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

I just don't really like the whole fidget spinner meme because it all stemmed from people who didn't care about their uses seeing them and thinking they'd make cool toys

people are allowed to play with whatever toys they want to??? fidget spinners arent exclusively for you bc you have autism

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

which ended up causing them to be a popular trend which people were then made fun of for engaging in, including those who were just using them to help themselves

then stop using them, other fidget toys exist

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

The trend also got them banned in a lot of schools because teachers took one look at the trend and decided they were just fun toys.

thats how schools work. what kind of school were you going to that didnt try to ban every toy you brought

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Now not only can a lot of people who find them helpful not use them when they need to

so you can only use a spinner specifically? there. are. other. toys.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

but they now feel bad using them because of the whole “fidget spinners are for cringey kids xddd” stuff.

just find another fidget toy there are so many that exist

quite honestly even if the spinners never became popular i have a hard time believing that a kid spinning a weird object on his desk (and some of them are actually loud too) wouldn't draw negative attention from his classmates anyway

tiktakturtle wrote:

CellularData wrote:

MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

excuse me but what does that have to do with panic! at the disco

a sinner is a panic! fan.

these emo bands really need to get better names for their fans i mean

CellularData wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

I just don't really like the whole fidget spinner meme because it all stemmed from people who didn't care about their uses seeing them and thinking they'd make cool toys

people are allowed to play with whatever toys they want to??? fidget spinners arent exclusively for you bc you have autism

They're not toys- that's the issue here. There purpose is to help focus or to calm people down, not to play with and do cool tricks. The way that the media took them removed this context from them in order to sell them as marketable toys.

CellularData wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

which ended up causing them to be a popular trend which people were then made fun of for engaging in, including those who were just using them to help themselves

then stop using them, other fidget toys exist

Stop turning fidget/stim items into toys and trends, items that don't serve a purpose of helping people exist.

CellularData wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

The trend also got them banned in a lot of schools because teachers took one look at the trend and decided they were just fun toys.

thats how schools work. what kind of school were you going to that didnt try to ban every toy you brought

CellularData wrote:

tiktakturtle wrote:

CellularData wrote:

MyNameIsCake wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

A useful tool for those with ADHD, Autism and anxiety to help focus that was overused as a fun toy to the point where those people can't use them in schools because they're banned.
But yeah, funny meme.

all of this is actually true

i thought it said SINNER and i was like HECK YES PANIC! AT THE DISCO then i was sad

excuse me but what does that have to do with panic! at the disco

a sinner is a panic! fan.

these emo bands really need to get better names for their fans i mean

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

but they now feel bad using them because of the whole “fidget spinners are for cringey kids xddd” stuff.

just find another fidget toy there are so many that exist

Yet again, they aren't toys. That's the key point here- they're not for play. Schools didn't bother to look at this fact and just banned them outright because people were using them as toys. Plus, most other stim toys aren't socially accepted.

CellularData wrote:

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Now not only can a lot of people who find them helpful not use them when they need to

so you can only use a spinner specifically? there. are. other. toys.

They aren't toys, plus some people just prefer the spinner and find that it works for them. On top of that, most other stim toys aren't considered socially acceptable.

In conclusion, since you've probably skipped all of that- they aren't toys.

Edit: forgot to mention this in a few points, but taking something that people need for your own entertainment then expecting them to find something else when you make it hard for them to get comfortably is not an appropriate way of sharing. I'm not opposed to neurotypical people using fidget/stim items, I'm just opposed to the current attitude of not fully understanding something and just taking what you like about it and not considering the consequences so that you can have fun with it- I think A Nightmare Before Christmas illustrates this effectively, if you've ever seen it.

Hate to break it to you, but FS are dead. Nothing more, nothing less.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

They're not toys- that's the issue here.

The word that is used is irrelevant. There are other fidget “items” that exist, if you're really going to restrict me to use that phrasing.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

There purpose is to help focus or to calm people down, not to play with and do cool tricks.

Some people actually are calmed down by it even if they don't have autism. And quite honestly, if they weren't meant to do tricks with, why did they have to design them like that? They look like they were meant for that purpose

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

The way that the media took them removed this context from them in order to sell them as marketable toys.

Yeah, the media does that. So why are you acting so angry at us, who are just trying to make a joke, for what the media and greedy advertisers did? Not really our fault the world works like this

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Stop turning fidget/stim items into toys and trends, items that don't serve a purpose of helping people exist.

One specific person can't stop this from happening? You can't control masses of people starting trends, but you can control whether you specifically decide to find other “fidget items” to use. If spinners are banned, then they're banned. You will need to find something else.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Yet again, they aren't toys.

Why are you so focused on phrasing? I don't know the special terminology that people like to use!

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

That's the key point here- they're not for play. Schools didn't bother to look at this fact and just banned them outright because people were using them as toys.

When do schools ever bother to look at facts?

Also, it seems like this is the point you're making:
An autistic kid who plays with fidget toys because it helps them relax is okay and they need to be defended.
A non-autistic kid who plays with fidget toys because it helps them relax is ableist, ruined everything, and deserves to be punished for a trend that was not caused by one single person.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Plus, most other stim toys aren't socially accepted.

This is relevant how? You're complaining that you “need” them, but when I present a solution, you complain about social acceptance. It looks like you don't actually need them that much if you're going to complain about that.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

They aren't toys, plus some people just prefer the spinner and find that it works for them.

Again. Who cares about phrasing. You know what I mean when I say fidget toys. In a way, they ARE toys.

But if it's banned, it's banned. There is nothing you can do about it. If your school is not willing to let you bring a spinner in, then sorry, but you're out of luck. Don't go complaining on the internet at some random kid who doesn't even use fidget spinners. It's not my fault that a trend started that's been long since blown over.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

On top of that, most other stim toys aren't considered socially acceptable.

You've already said this. If you're going to just not use the toys because you're worried about social acceptance, then don't. It's that simple. But don't complain that you “need” them if your main concern is social acceptance, which anybody who's actually worth being friends with wouldn't mind.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

In conclusion, since you've probably skipped all of that- they aren't toys.

WHOA, REALLY? I never would have guessed! It's not like you've said that five times now!

Seriously, it seems like you're yelling at me over phrasing. I'm not seeing the difference between a fidget toy and a “fidget item”. That's kind of weak for a TL;DR.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Edit: forgot to mention this in a few points, but taking something that people need for your own entertainment then expecting them to find something else when you make it hard for them to get comfortably is not an appropriate way of sharing.

Wait, so now you're blaming the 8 year olds who use fidget spinners for all of this? Why can't you just blame your school for banning them, because that's who's actually at fault here? And as I said, you don't need fidget spinners specifically. Other “”“fidget items”“” exist. The 8 year olds who “stole” them from you can't be blamed for it. Non-autistic people are allowed to play with fidget items if they would like to. They did not make it hard for you to use them. Your school, who banned them, did.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

I'm not opposed to neurotypical people using fidget/stim items, I'm just opposed to the current attitude of not fully understanding something and just taking what you like about it and not considering the consequences so that you can have fun with it- I think A Nightmare Before Christmas illustrates this effectively, if you've ever seen it.

I can't even tell what half of this even says, but I'll do my best. You sound quite opposed to non-autistic people using fidget spinners, because apparently they “stole” them from you and now you have to deal with a “lack of social acceptance” because your school, not the 8 year olds banned you from using them because they can be an actual disruption.

And what are you expecting? Do you want a warning label on fidget spinners saying “Sorry kid but only autistic people can use this”??? Do you want fidget spinners to be taken from innocent kids who simply did not understand the original purpose of fidget spinners because they were not marketed that way??? I just don't understand what you're even complaining about anymore

FINAL NOTE: I'm not saying autistic people don't need fidget toys nor am I saying that you'll just have to deal with a lack of social acceptance. I am saying that if you need fidget toys, then you're in luck, because other fidget toys exist. My point is that if you just complain about those “not being socially accepted” and then don't use any fidget toys at all, then you have no right to complain you need them.

CellularData wrote:

Some people actually are calmed down by it even if they don't have autism.

Yeah, and I have no quarrels with that- I already said that I'm fine with people who aren't autistic using them if they're using them for the intended purpose.

CellularData wrote:

And quite honestly, if they weren't meant to do tricks with, why did they have to design them like that? They look like they were meant for that purpose

Some cough drops look like sweets, doesn't mean you should use them as those. In all seriousness, just assuming that something looks like a toy and therefore is one is part of the problem here.

CellularData wrote:

Yeah, the media does that. So why are you acting so angry at us, who are just trying to make a joke, for what the media and greedy advertisers did? Not really our fault the world works like this

I'm not mad at you for what the media did, I'm telling you where this misconception came from.

CellularData wrote:

One specific person can't stop this from happening?.

Yeah, but you can make the conscious decision whether or not you want to perpetuate the misconception and make things harder for other people for the sake of a quick joke.

CellularData wrote:

bAlso, it seems like this is the point you're making:
An autistic kid who plays with fidget toys because it helps them relax is okay and they need to be defended.
A non-autistic kid who plays with fidget toys because it helps them relax is ableist, ruined everything, and deserves to be punished for a trend that was not caused by one single person.

No, you seem to have misread. If people are using fidget toys for their intended purposes,regardless of their specific diagnosis- it's fine. People turning them into jokes or removing their actual purpose to make them marketable, and those who blindly consume it are. Before you argue on this, just because you don't know something you're doing is a problem doesn't make it ok- you need to educate yourself, which is what I'm assisting with on this thread. I'm only talking about this because I know most of the people here don't actually know this.

CellularData wrote:

This is relevant how? You're complaining that you “need” them, but when I present a solution, you complain about social acceptance. It looks like you don't actually need them that much if you're going to complain about that.

You probably don't understand where I'm coming from. This “socially acceptable” thing isn't a whiny “people will think im weird!!1”, it's more of a “I will be harassed, bullied and treated as a lesser human being If I do this”. People tend to view someone flapping their hands, rocking back and forth or chewing things in public very negatively. This in itself is an other issue, but is also the reason why more “acceptable” things like fidget cubes and spinners are important to people who need this kind of release- fiddling with an object is seen as more “normal” by these kinds of people. We get enough harassment, bullying and mockery as it is- why would we ever do anything that would being us more, even it it helps us.

CellularData wrote:

Wait, so now you're blaming the 8 year olds who use fidget spinners for all of this?

No, I'm blaming the culture we currently have as a society where any “cute” or “fun” fidget/stim device into a cool new toy or a fun satisfying video. Where people basically take the whole “stim” aspect out of it and make it more “normal” to make it marketable. It ends up causing a lot of misconceptions and, particularly in the case of fidget spinners, can lead to people viewing these things as“cringey” and bullying people out of using them.

Also, my issue with the meme and it's effect on all this it that it continues to spread this misinformation while trivialising and mocking the spinner for the sake of comedy. It perpetuates the idea that the spinner is just a “dumb kid's toy” and serves no functional purpose while also mocking those who use them. Unsurprisingly, making a large trend on the internet about mocking something often leads to schoolchildren mocking the thing as well, which in turn fuels bullying with even more ammo.

*grabs popcorn*

why am I even doing this anymore

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Yeah, and I have no quarrels with that- I already said that I'm fine with people who aren't autistic using them if they're using them for the intended purpose.

What do you classify as the intended purpose? Why does it bother you if someone tries to do tricks with a fidget spinner?

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Some cough drops look like sweets, doesn't mean you should use them as those. In all seriousness, just assuming that something looks like a toy and therefore is one is part of the problem here.

Wait. What does this have to do with anything? That's a little bit of a different situation than this. It's not just what it looks like, it's that a fidget spinner can also function as a toy, therefore making it a toy. There is a pretty huge difference between using a cough drop as candy and spinning a toy that was intended to be spun.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

I'm not mad at you for what the media did, I'm telling you where this misconception came from.

Then why are you even having this argument??? I'm just trying to figure out why it's okay for a kid with autism to use fidget spinners how they want to, but not for a non-autistic kid to. You appear to be attacking me for something I'm not connected to in any way.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Yeah, but you can make the conscious decision whether or not you want to perpetuate the misconception and make things harder for other people for the sake of a quick joke.

“Misconception” How is this a misconception? If it can be used as a toy, isn't it a toy? There is no “misconception” that fidget spinners are toys. In fact, let's take a look at the definition of “toy”!
toy
noun
1. an object for a child to play with, typically a model or miniature replica of something.
A fidget spinner is an object. Children can play with it. Therefore, it is a toy. There is no misconception, it's literally what it is.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

No, you seem to have misread. If people are using fidget toys for their intended purposes,regardless of their specific diagnosis- it's fine.

Why isn't it okay to use them for tricks or jokes, though? It's the choice of the kids how they want to use their fidget spinners. Banning them from doing specific things because it “perpetuates misconceptions”, violates the “original intent”, and prevents you from using your “non-toys” is kind of ridiculous, no?

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

People turning them into jokes or removing their actual purpose to make them marketable, and those who blindly consume it are.

Is this a complete thought?

But seriously though, there is no “actual purpose”. Why can't kids use toys how they want to? And why are even the non-offensive jokes considered offensive now?

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Before you argue on this, just because you don't know something you're doing is a problem doesn't make it ok

Okay, yes, I do agree here, but that doesn't actually have anything to do with your point. Using fidget spinners for things other than stress relief is a “problem” and “not ok”? Wow okay

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

you need to educate yourself, which is what I'm assisting with on this thread.

I need to educate myself? Nope, I perfectly understand what fidget spinners were originally created for. I just don't get how that makes all other uses of fidget spinners and jokes about fidget spinners suddenly unacceptable.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

I'm only talking about this because I know most of the people here don't actually know this.

Actually, we do!

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

You probably don't understand where I'm coming from. This “socially acceptable” thing isn't a whiny “people will think im weird!!1”, it's more of a “I will be harassed, bullied and treated as a lesser human being If I do this”.

Hold on, I'm pretty sure that just finding an alternative fidget toy to use is not going to result in you being “treated as a lesser human being”…

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

People tend to view someone flapping their hands, rocking back and forth or chewing things in public very negatively.

Yep, my suggestion to find other fidget toys because your school banned spinners certainly means flap your hands, rock back and forth, and chew things. You are completely avoiding my point.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

This in itself is an other issue

Um, how?

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

but is also the reason why more “acceptable” things like fidget cubes and spinners are important to people who need this kind of release

I believe the argument is about alternatives to spinners? You literally just named one. You never said your school banned fidget cubes, why don't you try one of those instead?

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

fiddling with an object is seen as more “normal” by these kinds of people. We get enough harassment, bullying and mockery as it is

Yeah, that's my point. There are other toys you can fiddle with in order to help concentrate / relax / etc.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

why would we ever do anything that would being us more, even it it helps us.

I find the sheer amount of incomplete / incomprehensible sentences kind of ironic for someone that told me to “educate myself”

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

No, I'm blaming the culture we currently have as a society where any “cute” or “fun” fidget/stim device into a cool new toy or a fun satisfying video.

So fidget spinners are exclusively yours? Nobody else can use them? You seem to have a problem with anyone non-autistic using fidget spinners for any reason.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Where people basically take the whole “stim” aspect out of it and make it more “normal” to make it marketable.

This is how marketing works. This isn't a problem with “the culture”, this is how you sell products. Welcome to how the world works.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

It ends up causing a lot of misconceptions and, particularly in the case of fidget spinners, can lead to people viewing these things as“cringey” and bullying people out of using them.

Never seen this actually happen. Also, as I said, just find a different fidget toy.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Also, my issue with the meme and it's effect on all this it that it continues to spread this misinformation while trivialising and mocking the spinner for the sake of comedy.

We aren't mocking people who use fidget spinners because they need them. In fact, I don't believe I'm mocking anyone at all. It's just a joke.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

It perpetuates the idea that the spinner is just a “dumb kid's toy” and serves no functional purpose while also mocking those who use them.

Again with you accusing me of “perpetuating misconceptions”. I'm not perpetuating anything, I'm just visiting this forum topic and noticing that you are very angry over a simple joke. Fidget spinners are a dead meme anyway and this topic is a joke about a joke. Yet somehow you are still offended.

TheRealNetherBefore wrote:

Unsurprisingly, making a large trend on the internet about mocking something often leads to schoolchildren mocking the thing as well, which in turn fuels bullying with even more ammo.

No one person made this trend that died over a year ago. It's just how the internet works. Some things become popular, some don't. Also, kids will always find something to mock you over. This has nothing to do with it. Kids are brutal. Blame the bullies, not the “culture”.

1a3c5e7g9i wrote:

Duplicate

wow.
just wow.

CellularData wrote:

-snip-

Sorry, I wrote most of this late at night. I think I can explain myself better now.
By continuing to push the joke about fidget spinners you continue to push the misconception that they are only fun toys- it's not that hard of a concept to grasp. This misconception hurts the people who want to use them for their actual purpose for the reasons I have explained earlier. Even if you personally don't engage in it, a large portion of the fidget spinner meme was calling them cringey and the death of society just because kids liked them. A lot of the jokes on this thread are ironic/sarcastic comments about fidget spinners being cool- the main reason they are ironic/sarcastic being the preconception that fidget spinners are just a cringey kid's trend.
Fidget cubes are an alternative but they don't work for everyone and most of the other toys tend to have a stigma around them due to society- tangles are seen as something you'd give a baby, chews are chews (think that explains itself) and you can't really take slime with you on the town- hence why I went straight to explaining it with not using any. People barely have any options that wouldn't put them at risk of harassment, which is why I find taking yet another one away for the sake of a joke to be pretty irritating.
I'm not upset because people are using them as toys, I'm upset because every time people come up with a new way or device that people can use, some people rip all the context off it and use it as a cool new trend. I wouldn't mind it as a trend if people were respectful about the purpose of if the people who originally started it were given full credit, but they aren't. It's a similar kind of issue to cultural appropriation- people see something they think is cool or cure looking that belongs to another culture and just take it without asking, giving credit, or properly understanding what it is. It's not a situation where I think everything should belong to me, it's in fact the reverse- the majority thinks everything should belong to them.

The joke is old now, and I'd prefer it to stay dead.