xC4rm3n_Bx wrote:

'Bring back the Discuss bar on the top page, but don't remove Tips!'
In some languages, the search bar was tiny while the Discuss button existed, for example, in Russian. Removing Tips is completely necessary. Besides, who even uses Tips?

Tips are a feature that New Scratchers should look at first, since they are new and want to start learning.

xC4rm3n_Bx wrote:

'Bring back the Discuss bar on the top page, but don't remove Tips!'
In some languages, the search bar was tiny while the Discuss button existed, for example, in Russian. Removing Tips is completely necessary. Besides, who even uses Tips?

That might as well be saying that we should remove all quick start manuals because nobody reads them.

Doing something incorrectly can bring bad experiences, and may cause threats to life or property. It is important to start off with reading at least how to operate it so that people can get the best experience from using the product. The same logic applies to Scratch- New Scratchers won't want to program if they find it difficult to start off without any sort of help.

WolfCat67 wrote:

I remember making a suggestion a while back that was in complete rebuttal to the “too confusing” aspect of its removal. However, it's also a nice addition. You may want to mention it. Here it is: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/269353/

Yeah, thanks for the link there, that will be helpful, adding to OP

MathlyCat wrote:

Also, why make a topic to respond to a forum topic.
This is just a duplicate.

Wait, what? This is a duplicate? I searched up for ‘discuss button important concepts’ and found nothing…

Auroura_Wolf wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

Also, why make a topic to respond to a forum topic.
This is just a duplicate.

Wait, what? This is a duplicate? I searched up for ‘discuss button important concepts’ and found nothing…

What MathlyCat means is that it isn't necessary to take a discussion that already exists, and sum it up in a new topic.

Ihaveexpectations wrote:

See https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/2724251/ for my opinion on what the scratch team is trying to do. It's pretty long though.

There isn't a such thing as an opinion of what somebody is trying to do, only a guess. And this guess really doesn't make sense. What are they trying to compete for? Scratch is free, and it will remain that way. It is also very community based, and the ST is not going to remove that. The community is what makes it different. The tutorials have always existed in the project editor, so saying that they added the tutorials to make it more like other sites isn't true.

FancyFoxy wrote:

Auroura_Wolf wrote:

MathlyCat wrote:

Also, why make a topic to respond to a forum topic.
This is just a duplicate.

Wait, what? This is a duplicate? I searched up for ‘discuss button important concepts’ and found nothing…

What MathlyCat means is that it isn't necessary to take a discussion that already exists, and sum it up in a new topic.

But that's not what this is, this is a list of important concepts, not a summary, this is just for ease of access…

Since this is an area to post important concepts and reminders of the current suggestion, I think it might be a good idea to forward my preliminary findings here.

DownsGameClub wrote:

For those of you curious about preliminary results:
The post counts were taken each day at 11 Taipei Standard Time/23 EDT/03 UTC. Posts for the New Scratcher, Help with Scripts Forum, Questions about Scratch, and the Suggestions forum, along with the topics submitted, were recorded since Monday, July 10. After that, the post and topic counts were totaled. Differences between each day were also calculated, therefore only four days were recorded due to the first day not having any difference.
Here are some of the statistics I decided to talk about since these were the few mentioned in the topic.


Image 1: This picture shows the differences in posts and topic creation totals for each day. Note that there was a significant decrease in usage between the second and third day before gradually increasing again. These graphs only total the topics that are listed above.
The average for topic creation count difference was: 46.75.
The average post count difference was: 456

Image 2: This picture shows graphs of the topic and post accumulation over the last five days. These graphs only total the topics that are listed above.

Image 3: These graphs show the differences in posts and topic creations for each day in the New Scratcher forum. Note that there was a significant increase between the second and third day before decreasing.
The average topic creation count difference was: 3.75
The average post count difference was: 15.5

Image 4: The graph shows the differences in posts and topic creations for each day in the Help with Scripts forum.
Average topic creation difference: 17
Average post count difference: 97.75

Discussion…
Currently, results are inconclusive due to the vast variation of the numbers and graphs shown. There are, however, certain days when the discussion forums are populated, which can effect results. Additionally, there seems to be no notable decline to forum usage- only about 50% of the days experienced minor cases where post counts fell below the mean. Perhaps another week or more days will be used to check the forums each day.

DownsGameClub wrote:

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Yeah, I'll link this in the OP

Quick thing: you mentioned something about a post by WolfCat67, and you wrote it as @WolfCat47.

Also, would you consider adding this? https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/270380/

VideoGamerCanInvent wrote:

Quick thing: you mentioned something about a post by WolfCat67, and you wrote it as @WolfCat47.

Also, would you consider adding this? https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/270380/

Darn I knew I should've checked it xD Also, about adding your topic:

Auroura_Wolf wrote:

Gah gotta add this to the important concepts xD

Read my comment on it

Auroura_Wolf wrote:

VideoGamerCanInvent wrote:

Quick thing: you mentioned something about a post by WolfCat67, and you wrote it as @WolfCat47.

Also, would you consider adding this? https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/270380/

Darn I knew I should've checked it xD Also, about adding your topic:

Auroura_Wolf wrote:

Gah gotta add this to the important concepts xD

Read my comment on it

I did read it I just never saw it up their. Just wanted to repost it again I guess

b-b-b-bump!

buuuuump

Sadly, bringing back the discuss button was rejected (see original announcement on removing it) and the irony is that the announcement of taking away discuss and making the forums more obscure was in the forums.

Smurphy13AWESOME wrote:

Sadly, bringing back the discuss button was rejected (see original announcement on removing it) and the irony is that the announcement of taking away discuss and making the forums more obscure was in the forums.

Even if reverting the removal of the Discuss link was rejected, we can still come up with alternate solutions to make the forums more easily accessible

Sheep_maker wrote:

Smurphy13AWESOME wrote:

Sadly, bringing back the discuss button was rejected (see original announcement on removing it) and the irony is that the announcement of taking away discuss and making the forums more obscure was in the forums.

Even if reverting the removal of the Discuss link was rejected, we can still come up with alternate solutions to make the forums more easily accessible

That is true and I am one of the people trying really hard to get the ST to make alternatives. Hope is not lost I was just saying that it is official and we are now forced to make alternatives instead of suggesting them just in case…

Sorry folks, but the Scratch Team officially rejected all suggestions. However, they will be adding some more links that make sense.
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/2756125/

Paddle2See wrote:

Thank you for all the feedback. The Scratch Team has discussed the proposals but is not planning on putting the Discuss button back in the navigation bar, for the reasons put forth in the original announcement.

For experienced forum users, you may want to make browser bookmarks to help you get to the forum sections you use frequently. Other options include using some of the home-made tools that creative Scratchers have constructed (browser extensions, userscripts, etc.) that can restore the Discuss button to the navigation bar.

To help direct newer Scratchers to the forums, the Scratch Team plans to gradually add links to specific sections of the forums on various Scratch pages where they make sense. The Scratch Team will continue to monitor site usage to see if Scratchers are finding the helpful sections of the forums they need to. You can also help by making Scratch projects and studios to educate other Scratchers about the useful features of the forums and how to find and use them. We'll continue to explore various ways to publicize the forums.

Some of you have expressed concerns about the future of the forums. Right now, the Scratch Team’s development priorities are focused on getting Scratch 3.0 ready. At some point in the future, though, we do want to evaluate what we can do to ensure that the incredibly important and helpful functions that the forums provide are happening in a way that works for both new and veteran Scratchers. We recognize how vital the forums are to many communities, and that they do important things like helping Scratchers with scripts, connecting people around the world with other Scratchers who speak their language, and welcoming new Scratchers to the community. Our goals for the future are to make sure these things keep happening, and that more Scratchers participate in these activities.

I knew something was missing… XD

DownsGameClub wrote:

Sorry folks, but the Scratch Team officially rejected all suggestions. However, they will be adding some more links that make sense.
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/2756125/
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Yeah, I know about that, but I think I'll keep this open anyway… I don't know, let's just see if an ST member closes it