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- MegaApuTurkUltra
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you mean the kernel with no stable release for 27 years? Hurd
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- Firedrake969
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my point exactly - names, names, namesin the context of “share your Linux”, names matter since that's how we tend to classify things based on differences, and those differences seem to be what interest us as a whole
So, “share your free system”. I'd love to see pictures of GNOME running on Linux. I'd love to see pictures of i3 on Hurd. Or a plain text console on BSD. There's beauty in all of them. Maybe it wasn't the intent of the original poster, but it seems in scope, too!
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- robinp
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I could swear this thread is about posting pictures of customized/riced unix systems, not arguing about the name of a Linux based system.
Anyways, here is my new 2017 rice using bspwm and polybar:
and yes, this is the system I use daily
Anyways, here is my new 2017 rice using bspwm and polybar:
and yes, this is the system I use daily
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- Jonathan50
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Umm, what if that's got nothing to do with what you're discussing and you just want to refer to a particular operating system? Personally I don't like either name, because they both miss the point in subtle ways. To me, I don't care which packages you're using. GNU/Linux is the same operating system, as far as I care, as busybox/BSD. When I talk about The Operating System, it's not about what kernel or userspace you're using; it's about the political implications. That is, I care that you're using a free system.
The most usable free system out there, of course, is generally some combination of Linux, GNU packages, the X server or maybe Wayland, Firefox or Chromium, and so on. But you can change out any of those parts and it won't change the underlying “meaning”.
it's silly to preach about kernels or userspace. Frank discussions of software freedom, on the other hand, matters – no matter what name you want to call it.
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- bobbybee
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Umm, what if that's got nothing to do with what you're discussing and you just want to refer to a particular operating system? Personally I don't like either name, because they both miss the point in subtle ways. To me, I don't care which packages you're using. GNU/Linux is the same operating system, as far as I care, as busybox/BSD. When I talk about The Operating System, it's not about what kernel or userspace you're using; it's about the political implications. That is, I care that you're using a free system.
The most usable free system out there, of course, is generally some combination of Linux, GNU packages, the X server or maybe Wayland, Firefox or Chromium, and so on. But you can change out any of those parts and it won't change the underlying “meaning”.
it's silly to preach about kernels or userspace. Frank discussions of software freedom, on the other hand, matters – no matter what name you want to call it.
I'd argue you don't want to do that, since users don't distinguish between kernels or libc's or package managers. If you're talking to another programmer, then refer to what you actually mean (Linux, X, coreutils, whatever.) The reason the naming controversy is such a big deal is because nobody agrees on what an operating system actually is.
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- Jonathan50
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nobody agrees on what an operating system actually is.I think that no matter what they call the operating system, nobody can argue that the kernel Linux is an operating system (but I guess not all operating systems need to have a bootloader, kernel and userland architecture and some are just a big kernel) I'd argue you don't want to do that, since users don't distinguish between kernels or libc's or package managers. If you're talking to another programmer, then refer to what you actually mean (Linux, X, coreutils, whatever.) The reason the naming controversy is such a big deal is because
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- Firedrake969
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except that I do because naming things is easier than describing things if I can refer to a description via a common nameUmm, what if that's got nothing to do with what you're discussing and you just want to refer to a particular operating system? Personally I don't like either name, because they both miss the point in subtle ways. To me, I don't care which packages you're using. GNU/Linux is the same operating system, as far as I care, as busybox/BSD. When I talk about The Operating System, it's not about what kernel or userspace you're using; it's about the political implications. That is, I care that you're using a free system.
The most usable free system out there, of course, is generally some combination of Linux, GNU packages, the X server or maybe Wayland, Firefox or Chromium, and so on. But you can change out any of those parts and it won't change the underlying “meaning”.
it's silly to preach about kernels or userspace. Frank discussions of software freedom, on the other hand, matters – no matter what name you want to call it.
I'd argue you don't want to do that, since users don't distinguish between kernels or libc's or package managers. If you're talking to another programmer, then refer to what you actually mean (Linux, X, coreutils, whatever.) The reason the naming controversy is such a big deal is because nobody agrees on what an operating system actually is.
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- gdpr533f604550b2f20900645890
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I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, [insert distro name], or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU/Linux [insert distro name]. GNU/Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but free components of a fully functioning system.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU/Linux system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the distros incorporating GNU/Linux which are widely used today is often called Linux or GNU/Linux, and many of its users are not aware that Linux is a kernel and GNU is just a bunch of free software.
There really is a Linux and a GNU, and these people are using them, but they are just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with GNU software: the whole system is basically GNU and Linux with other components added, or GNU/Linux [insert distro name]. All the so-called Linux distributions are the real operating systems!
For example, Ubuntu, Debian, etcetera are operating systems. Linux is just a kernel and GNU is just a collection of software. Some operating systems, such as Chrome OS and Android, are Linux distributions but not GNU distributions. The terminology that people should use depends on what operating systems they want to include. For example, if discussion about Chrome OS is valid on this topic, the term “Linux distro” should be used. If discussion can be about operating systems that use GNU but a kernel other than Linux, such as Debian GNU/Hurd, then the term “GNU distro” should be used. If all operating systems on this topic must use GNU, Linux, XFCE, and Firefox, then the term “GNU/Linux/XFCE/Firefox distro” should be used.
Considering that screenshots of Android phones were posted on this topic, it is about Linux distros, not GNU/Linux distros. Heck, OS X was included! If *nixes are allowed, then the topic should be called, “Post a picture of your *nix!” If distros that are technically Linux but do not use GNU software are not allowed, then the topic name should be refined to “Post a picture of your GNU/Linux!”
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU/Linux system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the distros incorporating GNU/Linux which are widely used today is often called Linux or GNU/Linux, and many of its users are not aware that Linux is a kernel and GNU is just a bunch of free software.
There really is a Linux and a GNU, and these people are using them, but they are just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with GNU software: the whole system is basically GNU and Linux with other components added, or GNU/Linux [insert distro name]. All the so-called Linux distributions are the real operating systems!
For example, Ubuntu, Debian, etcetera are operating systems. Linux is just a kernel and GNU is just a collection of software. Some operating systems, such as Chrome OS and Android, are Linux distributions but not GNU distributions. The terminology that people should use depends on what operating systems they want to include. For example, if discussion about Chrome OS is valid on this topic, the term “Linux distro” should be used. If discussion can be about operating systems that use GNU but a kernel other than Linux, such as Debian GNU/Hurd, then the term “GNU distro” should be used. If all operating systems on this topic must use GNU, Linux, XFCE, and Firefox, then the term “GNU/Linux/XFCE/Firefox distro” should be used.
Considering that screenshots of Android phones were posted on this topic, it is about Linux distros, not GNU/Linux distros. Heck, OS X was included! If *nixes are allowed, then the topic should be called, “Post a picture of your *nix!” If distros that are technically Linux but do not use GNU software are not allowed, then the topic name should be refined to “Post a picture of your GNU/Linux!”
- MegaApuTurkUltra
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fwiw my android was a semi-joke I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, [insert distro name], or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU/Linux [insert distro name]. GNU/Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but free components of a fully functioning system.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU/Linux system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the distros incorporating GNU/Linux which are widely used today is often called Linux or GNU/Linux, and many of its users are not aware that Linux is a kernel and GNU is just a bunch of free software.
There really is a Linux and a GNU, and these people are using them, but they are just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with GNU software: the whole system is basically GNU and Linux with other components added, or GNU/Linux [insert distro name]. All the so-called Linux distributions are the real operating systems!
For example, Ubuntu, Debian, etcetera are operating systems. Linux is just a kernel and GNU is just a collection of software. Some operating systems, such as Chrome OS and Android, are Linux distributions but not GNU distributions. The terminology that people should use depends on what operating systems they want to include. For example, if discussion about Chrome OS is valid on this topic, the term “Linux distro” should be used. If discussion can be about operating systems that use GNU but a kernel other than Linux, such as Debian GNU/Hurd, then the term “GNU distro” should be used. If all operating systems on this topic must use GNU, Linux, XFCE, and Firefox, then the term “GNU/Linux/XFCE/Firefox distro” should be used.
Considering that screenshots of Android phones were posted on this topic, it is about Linux distros, not GNU/Linux distros. Heck, OS X was included! If *nixes are allowed, then the topic should be called, “Post a picture of your *nix!” If distros that are technically Linux but do not use GNU software are not allowed, then the topic name should be refined to “Post a picture of your GNU/Linux!”
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- __init__
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I think this whole argument is silly.
This is a “microwave” or “microwave oven”. Now, what a microwave really is is a type of electromagnetic wave that makes this ^ microwave work. A microwave is only a small part of the system; you can't just have an electromagnetic microwave and tell it to reheat your pizza for 2 minutes. A microwave needs all the other parts to work, including parts made from stainless steel, plastic, copper and silicon. Of course you could call it a StainlessSteel/Plastic/Copper/Silicon/Microwave Oven, but that would be ridiculous.
I call Linux “Linux” because it's short, it sounds cool, and everyone knows what it is. If I had to explain the GNU/Linux naming controversy to everyone who was interested in my computer setup, nobody would care. Plus “GNU slash Linux” is a lot longer and more to say, and sounds nowhere near as attractive as just “Linux”. And for the love of God, please don't call it “LiGNUx”.
Names aren't about giving credit. There are other places to do that.
This is a “microwave” or “microwave oven”. Now, what a microwave really is is a type of electromagnetic wave that makes this ^ microwave work. A microwave is only a small part of the system; you can't just have an electromagnetic microwave and tell it to reheat your pizza for 2 minutes. A microwave needs all the other parts to work, including parts made from stainless steel, plastic, copper and silicon. Of course you could call it a StainlessSteel/Plastic/Copper/Silicon/Microwave Oven, but that would be ridiculous.
I call Linux “Linux” because it's short, it sounds cool, and everyone knows what it is. If I had to explain the GNU/Linux naming controversy to everyone who was interested in my computer setup, nobody would care. Plus “GNU slash Linux” is a lot longer and more to say, and sounds nowhere near as attractive as just “Linux”. And for the love of God, please don't call it “LiGNUx”.
Names aren't about giving credit. There are other places to do that.
thisandagain pls explain
- gdpr533f604550b2f20900645890
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“Linux” isn't the operating system name, so using it wouldn't be accurate. I would just use the distribution name, such as “Ubuntu” or “Mint.” I call Linux “Linux” because it's short, it sounds cool, and everyone knows what it is. If I had to explain the GNU/Linux naming controversy to everyone who was interested in my computer setup, nobody would care. Plus “GNU slash Linux” is a lot longer and more to say, and sounds nowhere near as attractive as just “Linux”. And for the love of God, please don't call it “LiGNUx”.
Names aren't about giving credit. There are other places to do that.
- Jonathan50
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I agree with Chibi-Matoran but we better get back to posting screenshots before the ST closes the topic
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- __init__
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I agree, but “Linux” is a good umbrella/generic term. For example, someone could create a Flatpak of a package and call it a “Linux build”, since Flatpaks support most Linux distributions..“Linux” isn't the operating system name, so using it wouldn't be accurate. I would just use the distribution name, such as “Ubuntu” or “Mint.” I call Linux “Linux” because it's short, it sounds cool, and everyone knows what it is. If I had to explain the GNU/Linux naming controversy to everyone who was interested in my computer setup, nobody would care. Plus “GNU slash Linux” is a lot longer and more to say, and sounds nowhere near as attractive as just “Linux”. And for the love of God, please don't call it “LiGNUx”.
Names aren't about giving credit. There are other places to do that.
thisandagain pls explain
- Icey29
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Excuse me, but I'd like to interject for a moment.
- MegaApuTurkUltra
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Excuse me, but I'd like to interject for a moment.I've never installed gnu/linux
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- -stache-
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Manjaro KDE 17.0.2 w/ the Latte Dockwhy are there 2 identical roads
- SilverMediaPro
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Because I have two monitors.Manjaro KDE 17.0.2 w/ the Latte Dockwhy are there 2 identical roads
- ry555
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Manjaro KDE 17.0.2 w/ the Latte Dock
Nice wallpaper!
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