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- Nextor
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FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
#lifegoalachievedI'm fine with that.My argument was that Henry was the Pink Man. I thought that this was a compromise because that way we have the creator be the Pink Man, as Henry was the creator in the books, but have William be the murderer in the games. In other words, the only real difference between TSE and SL is that William is the one building the robots and that Henry is the one selling the robots.Could you remind of what your side of the gain is? This is barely a compromise from your point. All the key components you argued for are substituted for mine. The only gain I can think of is Henry's existence. If that is it, then I'm fine with that. Hey, ScratingTheCode, I've been thinking about things. We both have a lot of evidence on the table here. And a few things don't add up on both sides. Therefore, is it possible to reach a compromise? A union of two theories to create one, bigger theory?
Yes. Yes it is.
You see, I've done some thinking. A LOT of thinking. And I've come up with a theory that unites both of our theories. Be warned, though- it's a bit of a doozy.
WHAT IF: The roles of William Afton and Henry were reversed in the games as compared to the book?
It makes sense, really. Here, we can have a universe where Afton is still the child killer, but also created the robots. Here is a universe where Mr. Afton has children, and it's a universe where we can stop ignoring the boop, but STILL have a working theory on my part! Afton still is the Pink Man, not Henry, but still has all the relationships between people that Henry does in TSE. It's not a real leap in logic to see where I'm coming from.
Want evidence? We don't need any! We've already stated it in our massive debate a hundred quotes ago or so!
I hope this resolves the debate between us.
- cs646123
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20 posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
Shoot.The Game Theorists recently had a FNAF theory about that you play as William Afton AKA The Purple Guy. I have a theory that you play as Michael Afton! I got this theory from they cutscene you beat the totally possible V.Hard Mode on Golden Freddy SL Custom Night. The cutscene has a guy talking named, guess who, Micheal Afton! He's talking to his father, William Afton. At the beginning, he says “Father? It's me Michael!” So right there, we could confirm that the guy talking is William Afton's Son! Just from his voice, we can tell that he is a young-adult. Then talks about that he “found it, just like you asked me too” or something. He says that they(SL Animictronics) didn't recongnize him, which, we know because on Night 2, Baby says “I don't recognize you, you are knew!” But for then “like you asked me too” part, William Afton is ether a Savage and is trying to get Michael Dead by Makeing him working working at Baby's Circus Party Pizza World!!! or “find it”. Anyways, after that he said “but after that, they thought I was you!” Which we could probably confirm, considering that all the animictronics “transformed” into Ennard to scoop Michael Afton because they thaught he was William Afton, their infamous creator. Now, I know at the end, it shows him looking in the mirror with “purple eyes”. I just think that was a trick from Scott making us think that he was Purple Guy. But if you look at his shadow in the mirror, you can tell by the looks he seems very young a thin, his hair is messed up, and he is in a poition were I don't think we're playing as this guy's father, other wise he would probably look much diffrent. Anyways, after that,he says “but I don't fell right… should be dead” Which, should be right because in that one “zombie” cutscene, Michael falls to the ground. But then he gets back up after we see baby say “You won't die” again and again. Which, that explains why he doesn't feel right because he should be DEAD! After that he says “know I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to come and find you!”, and then the infomous part, we see springrap get up. Know I've found this online, and it says if you take a picture of that last part and reverse-color with it, you will see a sign that says “Fazbear's Fright” on it. DUH DUH DUUUUUUUUUuuuuh… It looks like this: Now, this could mean many, many things. It could mean that Micheal just could be talking to himself in the springtrap suit, it could mean that fnaf 3 takes place after sl, there are so many more but what I think is confrimed, is that You play as Michael Afton in Sister Location! (Whew… That was a lot of typing….)I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL. Hey guys, I just downloaded sl (and yeah, I know i'm late.) but nobody (or at least i think) has talked about that vid after you bet golden freddy mode on V.Hard mode. No some of us may know that
- MagicPigPerson
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FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.
I always do.

So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:
WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.
it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years since
Now, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:
Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.
This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.

Last edited by MagicPigPerson (March 22, 2017 21:35:53)
- Scratchingthecode97
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500+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
STC actually agreeing with someone!? #miracle#lifegoalachievedI'm fine with that.My argument was that Henry was the Pink Man. I thought that this was a compromise because that way we have the creator be the Pink Man, as Henry was the creator in the books, but have William be the murderer in the games. In other words, the only real difference between TSE and SL is that William is the one building the robots and that Henry is the one selling the robots.Could you remind of what your side of the gain is? This is barely a compromise from your point. All the key components you argued for are substituted for mine. The only gain I can think of is Henry's existence. If that is it, then I'm fine with that. Hey, ScratingTheCode, I've been thinking about things. We both have a lot of evidence on the table here. And a few things don't add up on both sides. Therefore, is it possible to reach a compromise? A union of two theories to create one, bigger theory?
Yes. Yes it is.
You see, I've done some thinking. A LOT of thinking. And I've come up with a theory that unites both of our theories. Be warned, though- it's a bit of a doozy.
WHAT IF: The roles of William Afton and Henry were reversed in the games as compared to the book?
It makes sense, really. Here, we can have a universe where Afton is still the child killer, but also created the robots. Here is a universe where Mr. Afton has children, and it's a universe where we can stop ignoring the boop, but STILL have a working theory on my part! Afton still is the Pink Man, not Henry, but still has all the relationships between people that Henry does in TSE. It's not a real leap in logic to see where I'm coming from.
Want evidence? We don't need any! We've already stated it in our massive debate a hundred quotes ago or so!
I hope this resolves the debate between us.
- cs109801
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
FNAF 2 in 1887? Yeah, I think you meant 1987, right?the bite of 87 was happened in FNAF2how do you know?impossible, freddy was in parts and service at the time The bite was delivered by withered freddy
WRONG it happened in Fnaf 1 Either though Mangle Has the sharpest teeth Foxy Jaws
are hard enough to bite through the frontal lobe and give him bloody teeth
Wrong 2 is in 1887 duh
- Foxyuk
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
87 in the box.
- Foxyuk
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
FNAF 2 in 1887? Yeah, I think you meant 1987, right?the bite of 87 was happened in FNAF2how do you know?impossible, freddy was in parts and service at the time The bite was delivered by withered freddy
WRONG it happened in Fnaf 1 Either though Mangle Has the sharpest teeth Foxy Jaws
are hard enough to bite through the frontal lobe and give him bloody teeth
Wrong 2 is in 1887 duh
Yes I did
- cs109801
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.
Last edited by cs109801 (March 25, 2017 17:25:43)
- Scratchingthecode97
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500+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.
I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
- Foxyuk
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
We should be making therys on the twisted ones
- cs477778
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100+ posts
FNAF THEORIES (The Expanded Universe of the Five Nights At Freddy's games)
Just because the last cutscene is one of micheal, doesn't mean he IS eggs benidick(pretty sure i misspelled some words) Besides there is no pink guy. If there were, he would be in FNAF world like every other character before FNAF SL.True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
We should be making therys on the twisted ones
- cs109801
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Uh, “Eggs Benedict” is Michael. You see the word “Mike” at the top-left of the keypad? There is also a Michael explained in the final cutscene. Your logic does not make sense. Finally, to wrap this all up, The guy on the right is Pink Guy from FNAF 2. The guy on the left is known as Purple Guy from FNAF 3. In other words, there is a Pink Guy as the guy that was shown on the right is more pink than purple. Case closed.Just because the last cutscene is one of micheal, doesn't mean he IS eggs benidick(pretty sure i misspelled some words) Besides there is no pink guy. If there were, he would be in FNAF world like every other character before FNAF SL.True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
We should be making therys on the twisted ones
- MagicPigPerson
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1000+ posts
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^^^
IT WAS 10PM WHEN I WROTE THIS DON'T JUDGE ME.
IT WAS 10PM WHEN I WROTE THIS DON'T JUDGE ME.
- cs109801
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I wasn't saying your theory was bad. I was just pointing out the obvious, that was all I was doing. ^^^
IT WAS 10PM WHEN I WROTE THIS DON'T JUDGE ME.
I also write a lot of my stuff at night too, so we're even

- cs646123
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Hey guys! Check out this 3 minute animation i made called “Scratch News Ep.1 - What could go wrong?” It's a comedy!
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- cs477778
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100+ posts
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Ok I woukd see your logic. So are you saying that Mike is Micheals nickname. Also I think I know who he was talking about when he said “I found her.” I think he was talking about the girl that was craned by baby. Also I think the quote “I WILL PUT YOU BACK TOGETHER, I think that they are also talking to the girl trapped in baby. Which is why micheal says, ”I put her back together just like you asked me to." THIS IS MY OPINION! THERE MAY BE SOME PROOF THAT THIS IS FALSE! IF YOU FIND ANY, PLEASE TELL ME!Uh, “Eggs Benedict” is Michael. You see the word “Mike” at the top-left of the keypad? There is also a Michael explained in the final cutscene. Your logic does not make sense. Finally, to wrap this all up, The guy on the right is Pink Guy from FNAF 2. The guy on the left is known as Purple Guy from FNAF 3. In other words, there is a Pink Guy as the guy that was shown on the right is more pink than purple. Case closed.Just because the last cutscene is one of micheal, doesn't mean he IS eggs benidick(pretty sure i misspelled some words) Besides there is no pink guy. If there were, he would be in FNAF world like every other character before FNAF SL.True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
We should be making therys on the twisted ones
- cs109801
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100+ posts
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Your proof is saying that Michael is the Crying Child in FNAF 4. Therefore, we can't prove that this was referring to the supposed “girl trapped in Baby”. I don't really understand what you're trying to say with Michael. Try to be a bit more clear with your wording.Ok I would see your logic. So are you saying that Mike is Michael's nickname. Also I think I know who he was talking about when he said “I found her.” I think he was talking about the girl that was craned by baby. Also I think the quote “I WILL PUT YOU BACK TOGETHER, I think that they are also talking to the girl trapped in baby. Which is why Michael says, ”I put her back together just like you asked me to." THIS IS MY OPINION! THERE MAY BE SOME PROOF THAT THIS IS FALSE! IF YOU FIND ANY, PLEASE TELL ME!Uh, “Eggs Benedict” is Michael. You see the word “Mike” at the top-left of the keypad? There is also a Michael explained in the final cutscene. Your logic does not make sense. Finally, to wrap this all up, The guy on the right is Pink Guy from FNAF 2. The guy on the left is known as Purple Guy from FNAF 3. In other words, there is a Pink Guy as the guy that was shown on the right is more pink than purple. Case closed.Just because the last cutscene is one of micheal, doesn't mean he IS eggs benidick(pretty sure i misspelled some words) Besides there is no pink guy. If there were, he would be in FNAF world like every other character before FNAF SL.True. Plus, it's already confirmed it's Michael walking down the street, not William. Here's what I said:I'm just going to put out a half-baked theory for now: I'm way too tired/worried about Year 8 options for a full one.Sorry to shoot you down, but the Silver Eyes isn't meant to be canon. Therefore, we can't jump to the assumption that The Silver eyes refers to the Pink Man killing 5 children.
So, I'll be referring to both The Silver Eyes and SL here; I won't take much else into account for the time being. It's about the cut scene we see with the supposed ‘William Afton’ walking down the street, slowly decaying. I'm going to refer to TSE to tell you why this is NOT Afton.
Firstly, the events of FNaF must take place in Hurricane, as said by the book:WELCOME TO HURRICANE, UTAH.It must refer to Michael and the other 4 kids being murdered, supported by this quote:
Charlie smiled wryly at the sign and kept driving. The world didn't look any different from one side of the sign to the other, but she still felt a nervous anticipation as she passed it.
-snip-
And then it happened, and everything ended, at least for Charlie.it happened, and now his parents wanted them all together for the dedication ceremony.So, now that we have that covered, lets move on to the backdrop/setting of both cutscene and book. In the cutscene, we see a lot of houses with what looks like healthy greenery alongside it. Also, it is worth noting that the main road seems to be the only road on the entire walk. Seeing this, and no main buildings (shops, RESTAURANTS etc.) , we can assume that we are on the outskirts of Hurricane. Now read the following quote from TSE, which explains the outskirts of Hurricane from the book's perspective. Michael was the reason for this trip, after all. It was ten years since he died. Ten years sinceNow, fair enough, bushes, houses spaced out, most of it fits. But… Single houses littered the fields, and dirt roads branched off in all directions. The landscape was mostly bushes and short trees, the whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains.dirt roads branching off in all directions? The whole area nestled between rows of low-lying mountains? Where are the mountains and dirt roads in the cutscene. There aren't any. So, this supports my theory.
Secondly, I want to look at the appearance of both characters. Now, I know that one's called Dave and the other's William… but Scott himself covered it that both are the same character. Both a child-murderer. The book was set BEFORE the cutscene, before Afton started to ‘decay’. Look at him before this happens in the cutscene. Bright eyed, huge smile on face, that everything-is-alright-with-the-world look practically radiating off of him. Now look at the character description of Dave (same person as Afton, don't forget) according to TSE:Now, that doesn't really fit together, does it? There was something extremely off-putting about the man. He was tall and slightly too thin for his uniform, which bagged at the shoulders and waist, as if he had once been a robust man but had lost his form somehow to illness or tragedy; his name tag, reading DAVE, hung askew on his chest. His skin was sallow, and his eyes were undercut by heavy lines, adding to the impression of longstanding ill health.
It has been proven that the Marionette was the one who stuffed the kids inside the suits, not Afton. Now, this is supported by everything. Everything, that is, but the book.This is by NO MEANS done, I will come back to it. Like I said, it's just a half-baked theory, but I will come back. Carlton was wedged inside the heavy, barrel-shaped torso of a mascot costume, the headless top of some kind of animal. His arms were trapped inside the torso section, pinned to his sides in an unnatural position by some sort of framework.
-snipped-
He tried to stand, but without his arms he could not brace himself, and as he moved he felt another violent wave of nausea, and a sudden, angry surge of pain in his head.
“I wouldn't do that,” a raspy voice muttered. Carlton looked around, seeing no one, then the door opened. It moved slowly, and somewhere beneath his terror he felt a twinge of impatience.
-snip-
The door squealed like an injured animal as it glided open, almost of it's own accord, the frame empty. After a moment's pause, a yellow rabbit poked it's head around the corner, its ears tilting at a jaunty angle. It was still for a moment, almost posing, then it came in with a bouncing walk, graceful, with none of the stiff, mechanistic movements of the animatronic animal. It did a small dance step, spun, and took a deep bow. Then it reached up and took off its own head, revealing the man inside the costume.
-snip-
Carlton still felt sick, his head still ached, but he had a sudden, visceral clarity: This is what happened to Michael. You are what happened to Michael.
“Don't speak,” Dave said.
I always do.I appreciate the effort, but it is already confirmed. Scott said we would learn about what becomes of Eggs Benedict in the final cutscene. The whole cutscene is centered around Michael. So, Michael = Eggs Benedict, which is the player in SL.
We should be making therys on the twisted ones
Last edited by cs109801 (March 28, 2017 14:18:22)
- cs109801
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This might be a good theory, but you guys will have to clarify this to be either considered true or false.
My theory is that the Foxy kid (the brother of the FNAF 4 Crying Child) is the Purple Guy.
Evidence? Well, we already know that Game Theory did a video explaining that the Purple Guy is Phone Guy. Scott said that they got “almost everything right” in this video. That helps me with this. This is a quote from the phone call in FNAF 2 on Night 3:
My theory is that the Foxy kid (the brother of the FNAF 4 Crying Child) is the Purple Guy.
Evidence? Well, we already know that Game Theory did a video explaining that the Purple Guy is Phone Guy. Scott said that they got “almost everything right” in this video. That helps me with this. This is a quote from the phone call in FNAF 2 on Night 3:
What would happen is we put two and two together. We get the Foxy kid being the Purple Guy, since he always has that head on, would it not make sense that Foxy is his favorite animatronic? Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Let me know if I'm forgetting anything. Like I said, Foxy was always my favorite.
- cs477778
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Scott also said that Phone guy WASN'T purple guy. But I agree The little kids brother can be Phone guy. But he can't be purple guy cause there is a minigame with both in the same minigame so… This might be a good theory, but you guys will have to clarify this to be either considered true or false.
My theory is that the Foxy kid (the brother of the FNAF 4 Crying Child) is the Purple Guy.
Evidence? Well, we already know that Game Theory did a video explaining that the Purple Guy is Phone Guy. Scott said that they got “almost everything right” in this video. That helps me with this. This is a quote from the phone call in FNAF 2 on Night 3:What would happen is we put two and two together. We get the Foxy kid being the Purple Guy, since he always has that head on, would it not make sense that Foxy is his favorite animatronic? Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Let me know if I'm forgetting anything. Like I said, Foxy was always my favorite.
- MagicPigPerson
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Which mini-game are you referring to?Scott also said that Phone guy WASN'T purple guy. But I agree The little kids brother can be Phone guy. But he can't be purple guy cause there is a minigame with both in the same minigame so… This might be a good theory, but you guys will have to clarify this to be either considered true or false.
My theory is that the Foxy kid (the brother of the FNAF 4 Crying Child) is the Purple Guy.
Evidence? Well, we already know that Game Theory did a video explaining that the Purple Guy is Phone Guy. Scott said that they got “almost everything right” in this video. That helps me with this. This is a quote from the phone call in FNAF 2 on Night 3:What would happen is we put two and two together. We get the Foxy kid being the Purple Guy, since he always has that head on, would it not make sense that Foxy is his favorite animatronic? Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Let me know if I'm forgetting anything. Like I said, Foxy was always my favorite.
(Also, slightly off-topic, but does anyone want to open an Undertale Theories studio?)