Discuss Scratch

Umbreonic
Scratcher
33 posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

The big thing about Scratch is that it's heavily child-friendly, and thus, graphic content (nothing too extreme, of course, but talking weapons and virtual presence of dying) never makes it to anywhere popular. No matter how masterfully made a project is, and how much effort goes into it, it's likely to be noticed by few without the ability to make it to featured.

So how about an entire section for projects that appeal to the adult crowd more? Again, nothing sexual or too adult, but enough to the point where it's enjoyable for mature audiences. As a Scratcher who's been around for nearly 8 years (Jargantic99 is my oldie), I've almost always leaned towards making mature-rated projects.

With how Scratch algorithms are currently, I have a small and sneaking suspicion that more mature games are harder to look up. Nothing solid to base this on, but I think it would be pleasant to be able to look up popular works that are mature-themed, rather than how the current list goes with more child-friendly entries.

For example: the projects I put so much work into are most definitely not in the guidelines for the current featured list—even if they are quote unquote “better.” This goes for many other projects, many of which are just not seen at all.

Perhaps It would be nice to be able to allow a section for mature works, for those aging Scratchers who have gained different taste in over the years. Nothing lewdly or obscenely adult, but just enough to have that title card.

How's that idea sound, devs?
ELevell
Scratcher
100+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

Huh, interesting suggestion. However, wouldn't problems arise from something like this? Such as; if a young Scratcher stumbles across something more mature, and is disturbed.
Scratch is used in schools all over the world, and if there were section for more mature content, teachers and parents would undoubtedly not want their kids to continue programing on Scratch. Also, Scratch is not social media! I mean, it's social, and its media, but you get the point. Why would you want to turn this wonderful place for all ages into something that isn't? There are hundreds of websites online for more mature audiences, but a website for all ages? How often to you come across one of those? The ST has worked hard to make Scratch the place it is today, and it would be a bit strange just to throw that all away. Now, you might say that there would be an age verification, but haven't kids lied about that before? Plus, there are mature things that would no doubt leak out onto the main site. What you are suggesting is practically a whole other website created for more mature audiences.

I completely respect your opinion, and am not trying to be mean in any way.
Mrcomputer1
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

No Support as rejected by sticky:

The Sticky wrote:

13. A 13+ version of the website
Scratch is designed for all ages, and dividing the community would not really help anybody.
ANDUANDU
Scratcher
20 posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

I will support this ( a 13+ version of scratch!
BaconAndEggs1
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

Umbreonic wrote:

With how Scratch algorithms are currently, I have a small and sneaking suspicion that more mature games are harder to look up.
Your suspicion is actually spot on. Scratch Team sometimes reviews projects and labels them depending on how all-ages they are. If they pass on all bases, they're labelled as For Everyone. If they're too inappropriate, they get removed. However, they have an inbetween option for when a project has questionable stuff but not enough of it to be too bad. These get labelled as Not For Everyone (NFE). If a project is labelled NFE, it can't get on the front page and it rarely features in search results. However, few projects get reviewed nowadays due to the priorities the ST has.
Here's the Scratch Wiki page for it, including more in-depth info and how to check if your project's been reviewed. I'm not sure if the new website layout has made any of this outdated or if Scratch Team even do this anymore, but it should still be relevant.
Sorry for not being too much help to the suggestion at hand here. This just grabbed my interest.
Umbreonic
Scratcher
33 posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

ELevell wrote:

Huh, interesting suggestion. However, wouldn't problems arise from something like this? Such as; if a young Scratcher stumbles across something more mature, and is disturbed.
Scratch is used in schools all over the world, and if there were section for more mature content, teachers and parents would undoubtedly not want their kids to continue programing on Scratch. Also, Scratch is not social media! I mean, it's social, and its media, but you get the point. Why would you want to turn this wonderful place for all ages into something that isn't? There are hundreds of websites online for more mature audiences, but a website for all ages? How often to you come across one of those? The ST has worked hard to make Scratch the place it is today, and it would be a bit strange just to throw that all away. Now, you might say that there would be an age verification, but haven't kids lied about that before? Plus, there are mature things that would no doubt leak out onto the main site. What you are suggesting is practically a whole other website created for more mature audiences.

I completely respect your opinion, and am not trying to be mean in any way.

This is just about entirely logical arguing against it. Kids can and probably will—as I have before—lie about their age in order to play such content. But that would become an issue of liability at that point, and how the team couldn't be responsible for children that lie about their age. That would be the case for someone who was looking to keep an adult rating, rather than the contrary.

My case is that Scratch only appeals to the younger audience. At this point, I don't enjoy old jokes that have been around since 2009 and low-quality works that only make it to the featured page because they are PC or “friendly and funny.” I'm sure there are other people out there win amazing skills that just don't get viewed because of the posts they put up. And how is that fair? What's the point of programming what they want (within reasonable limits), such as a gun-fighting game or story-heavy game with dark tones, if they're going to be less recognized than some post that got featured, yet had no effort put into it at all?

As one, I'm just thinking about the scratchers over time who've generally grown up.
nickeljorn
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

No support, that means that some of the best people would be divided, and Scratch is about programming. How did it become so gory?
Umbreonic
Scratcher
33 posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

nickeljorn wrote:

No support, that means that some of the best people would be divided, and Scratch is about programming. How did it become so gory?

Not even gore, but the use of weapons, or general themes that don't inclusively appeal to children. Come to believe it's already divided, but the mature projects are censored out from visibility.
Umbreonic
Scratcher
33 posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

Mrcomputer1 wrote:

No Support as rejected by sticky:

The Sticky wrote:

13. A 13+ version of the website
Scratch is designed for all ages, and dividing the community would not really help anybody.

Also, to reply to this, saying that “dividing the community would not really help anybody” . . . how would it not be by people who prefer such content? It's not like their content is even being seen.

A silly reply to a reasonable suggestion.
braxbroscratcher
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

Umbreonic wrote:

Mrcomputer1 wrote:

No Support as rejected by sticky:

The Sticky wrote:

13. A 13+ version of the website
Scratch is designed for all ages, and dividing the community would not really help anybody.

Also, to reply to this, saying that “dividing the community would not really help anybody” . . . how would it not be by people who prefer such content? It's not like their content is even being seen.

A silly reply to a reasonable suggestion.
Oh well. The stickies say what will be shot down on sight and what won't. Read them, and you won't have this problem!
The4thPixel
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

I support this suggestion. Honestly, I'm not even sure why kids are allowed on the internet in the first place. So many things could go wrong for them:
  • Trolling
  • Cyberbullying
  • Child predators
  • Hackers
  • Phishing
  • Personal information leaked
  • Intrusive advertising
  • Viruses
  • Accidental exposure to inappropiate imagery or video
  • Other things

Last edited by The4thPixel (Jan. 10, 2017 16:04:43)

-stache-
Scratcher
500+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

The4thPixel wrote:

I support this suggestion. Honestly, I'm not even sure why kids are allowed on the internet in the first place. So many things could go wrong for them:
  • Trolling
  • Cyberbullying
  • Child predators
  • Hackers
  • Phishing
  • Personal information leaked
  • Intrusive advertising
  • Viruses
  • Accidental exposure to inappropiate imagery or video
  • Other things
I'm not sure why kids are allowed on Earth in the first place. So many things could go wrong for them:
  • Bullying
  • Child predators
  • Personal information leaked
  • Viruses
  • Bacteria
  • Radiation
  • Other things

Slippery slope

Last edited by -stache- (Jan. 10, 2017 16:13:38)

braxbroscratcher
Scratcher
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

-stache- wrote:

The4thPixel wrote:

I support this suggestion. Honestly, I'm not even sure why kids are allowed on the internet in the first place. So many things could go wrong for them:
  • Trolling
  • Cyberbullying
  • Child predators
  • Hackers
  • Phishing
  • Personal information leaked
  • Intrusive advertising
  • Viruses
  • Accidental exposure to inappropiate imagery or video
  • Other things
I'm not sure why kids are allowed on Earth in the first place. So many things could go wrong for them:
  • Bullying
  • Child predators
  • Personal information leaked
  • Viruses
  • Bacteria
  • Radiation
  • Other things

Slippery slope
Yeah. Lock ‘em all up in a high-security prison on an island in the middle of a pit of deadly spikes! (jk)

ik your post was sarcasm. This is rejected by the stickies and it’s getting off topic.

Reported to be closed.
Paddle2See
Scratch Team
1000+ posts

Scratch Tag/Section/Community for More Mature/Adult Audiences and Content

Sorry - we're pretty happy with keeping Scratch as a single site for all-ages. We wouldn't have any objections if somebody else wanted to make a site for different audiences though.

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