I suggest that you can have nested lists because using these:

(join (letter () of [world]) [world])

Creates massive Boolean statements that lag the project editor when attempting to change or add to them. That lag occurs even when I use fast computers.

What are they?
Lists inside lists, nested lists, first class lists, multidimensional lists.

What are they for?
Storing lots of data about lots of clones or pen objects (eg their size, score and X position).

Shouldn't scratch be for all ages?
That includes us supporters. Also, here are some other complicated blocks.

define (Run without screen refresh)
All advanced maths including trig
(() mod ())

What will it look like and how will it work?
Possibly like Snap!'s representation:

A few block ideas:

(item (1 v) of [list v] nested: (item (1 v) of [sublist v] nested: [none v] :: list) :: list)
(item (nested (1) (1) :: list) of [list v] :: list)
Please suggest yours!

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

I suggest that you can have nested lists (lists inside lists) because using these:

(join (letter () of [world]) [world])

Creates massive Boolean statements that lag the project editor when attempting to change or add to them. That lag occurs even when I use fast computers.

Multi-dimensional arrays sund good bbut they require first class lists. ^.^

Support!

-Addify- wrote:

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

I suggest that you can have nested lists (lists inside lists) because using these:

(join (letter () of [world]) [world])

Creates massive Boolean statements that lag the project editor when attempting to change or add to them. That lag occurs even when I use fast computers.

Multi-dimensional arrays sund good bbut they require first class lists. ^.^

Support!

Alternatively, we could have arrays as a data type in their own right.

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

-Addify- wrote:

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

I suggest that you can have nested lists (lists inside lists) because using these:

(join (letter () of [world]) [world])

Creates massive Boolean statements that lag the project editor when attempting to change or add to them. That lag occurs even when I use fast computers.

Multi-dimensional arrays sund good bbut they require first class lists. ^.^

Support!

Alternatively, we could have arrays as a data type in their own right.

Aka first class lists

Support. I'd want to see this implemented as multidimensional lists since it would likely be easier for young coders to grasp.

Support.

So basically like first-class lists?
SUPPORT

I have a great idea for a use of this.

Support.

(The idea: Make a text engine, store x coords, y coords, and text in a 3D list. And have the engine go through the list and print the text at all the x,y coords.)

Support! I would love to have arrays!

It's great to have so much positive feedback so I'd like to bump this up. 7 supporters so far.

Bump.

(image from “Snap!”)
Support

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It would be used for clones/pen objects which you want to have multiple properties for. It means you could have (eg) a list called ‘bananas’ and each item would be a list containing their size, X position, Y position and their tastiness.

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It looks quite self-explanatory. It's a list in a list:
1)
2)
a)
b)
c)
3)
If you can have strings, numbers, and booleans in lists (which are all different data types), then why not have lists inside lists?

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It would be used for clones/pen objects which you want to have multiple properties for. It means you could have (eg) a list called ‘bananas’ and each item would be a list containing their size, X position, Y position and their tastiness.

Do you even read the Community Guidelines? "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

Ziggy741 wrote:

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It would be used for clones/pen objects which you want to have multiple properties for. It means you could have (eg) a list called ‘bananas’ and each item would be a list containing their size, X position, Y position and their tastiness.

Do you even read the Community Guidelines? "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

Did you? Because it also said to be respectful.

Sheep_maker wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It looks quite self-explanatory. It's a list in a list:
1)
2)
a)
b)
c)
3)
If you can have strings, numbers, and booleans in lists (which are all different data types), then why not have lists inside lists?

Yeah, like that. It's like you're writing an outline for a speech or presentation of some sort. Like:

I. Main point (first list)
A. Sub point (list inside the first list)
1. Sub point (list inside of the second list inside of the first)
a. Details (list inside of the third inside of the second inside of the first)
II. Another main point
III. Closing remarks

Scratcher1002 wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

mrbobbygreathead wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It would be used for clones/pen objects which you want to have multiple properties for. It means you could have (eg) a list called ‘bananas’ and each item would be a list containing their size, X position, Y position and their tastiness.

Do you even read the Community Guidelines? "Scratch welcomes people of all ages, races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, and gender identities."

Did you? Because it also said to be respectful.

Sheep_maker wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It looks quite self-explanatory. It's a list in a list:
1)
2)
a)
b)
c)
3)
If you can have strings, numbers, and booleans in lists (which are all different data types), then why not have lists inside lists?

Yeah, like that. It's like you're writing an outline for a speech or presentation of some sort. Like:

I. Main point (first list)
A. Sub point (list inside the first list)
1. Sub point (list inside of the second list inside of the first)
a. Details (list inside of the third inside of the second inside of the first)
II. Another main point
III. Closing remarks

I was just showing how this suggestion would be good for younger kids who are learning to program.

Sheep_maker wrote:

Ziggy741 wrote:

No support. It looks like that it is not for kids that are learning to program. The picture in JavierR100's post looks extremely strange and mysterious. I cannot think of any use for it, and what would it even do?

It looks quite self-explanatory. It's a list in a list:
1)
2)
a)
b)
c)
3)
If you can have strings, numbers, and booleans in lists (which are all different data types), then why not have lists inside lists?

lists should be datatypes but they are not.
support

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Front post is updated. It answers all Ziggy's questions. Try and avoid a flame war we're trying to accomplish something here.