Programmer1121 wrote:

I Support this idea. It would be VERY useful. Maybe even make it easier to check ALL THE SHOPS I'VE JOINED!!

Yeah! And I'll get a boost of business!

rollercoasterfan wrote:

It should be seperate, and linked to the front page directly.

But where?

rollercoasterfan wrote:

It should also be in the editor (tips menu?) and suggested when a New Scratcher joins.

But I'm sure New Scratchers don't want to wait some days just to get what they want.

rollercoasterfan wrote:

What is this place? My thoughts are that it would be a list of a few shops, 20ish? There would be a quick blurb, and quick example of work. A banner might be optional? Anyway, Scratchers will quickly know what a shop is about, and the work they do. If they like a shop, and it will work for them, they can click on it, and there will be the author's name and link to profile, how long the shop has been open, completed orders, etc. There will also be the front page, which will be very detailed.

I've got a few questions here:
1) is the front page editable? If so, is it like editing a project description or like a forum post?
2) For collaborative shops, will there be a capacity for multiple names to be listed?

rollercoasterfan wrote:

If nobody takes it, it's up to the shop owner to either accept it, or decline it.

So how long until that would happen?

rollercoasterfan wrote:

There will also be a “staff discussion forum” for that shop, but it is to stay about 90% ontopic, …
Then again, what if somebody wants to start a new shop? They are to design a banner, other example, and detailed front page. They may invite up to two scratchers to join the shop as founding members. After being submitted, the ST will review over it, in which case the shop is either open for buisiness, or not.

That might be too much work for the Scratch Team…

rollercoasterfan wrote:

If not, they can always join later. If they join, they will be on the TSF front page, and will be able to make proper deals with each other, and an official member can hold discussion and debates. There will obviously be discussion (deals will be kept seperately) but it is too to stay about 90%. How can it be reformed? That's how, by this huge, brand new Requests section.

I feel that this part of the suggestion is primarily just for the organisation that you mentioned…
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Now with all that out of the way, I will not support this suggestion primarily because shops will probably never be Scratch's main feature (Projects are the main feature, with comments probably coming close behind) but also that the lower part is probably just for the Shop Federation (aka where this was previously suggested). Suggestions implemented (which I think) should be for a vast amount of Scratchers, not a small amount of them.

I know that shops aren't priority and what Scratch is about, but I really think that they could be. If people are making projects and they need something, but they can't make it or they can't find it on Google, they have to have someone else make it. Many people don't know about Requests, but they could!

Semi-support, as of other's opinions.

We'll need to remember to keep on bumping this

Sigton

No support. It's a forum for a reason, if we put it in the tips menu that no one reads, then who would use it?
EDIT: Oh, I see, it would also be elsewhere. Still no support because 1. Scratch is not the App Store 2. Scratch is not about fame. 3. It would be advertising. Putting in the Request forum is better because if you don't want to see adverts, then you don't go in the Request forums. 4. People would just go to use the Collaboration fourms because they probably did not want to manage their shops this way.
EDIT 2: Change that to Semi-Support.

Bump.

rollercoasterfan wrote:

Bump.

Long gap

Sigton

rollercoasterfan wrote:

Bump.

Since when did you resurrect a dead topic?

The request forum also includes individuals' requests, not only shops. No support.

The Requests forum includes other people's requests, not just one person's request. Shops can take days or weeks (My personal experience) to get back to you because they're inactive and your request is drowned with thousands of other requests, too.
An individual's request is more likely to get put through because there's going to be someone who will do your request without yours getting drowned in other requests.

No support.

Cool idea, but no support. What if you don't want to order from a shop, and you just want to make a new topic asking everyone, not just the shop?

NanoRook wrote:

The Requests forum includes other people's requests, not just one person's request. Shops can take days or weeks (My personal experience) to get back to you because they're inactive and your request is drowned with thousands of other requests, too.
An individual's request is more likely to get put through because there's going to be someone who will do your request without yours getting drowned in other requests.

No support.

The requests forum was originally for individual requests, in fact

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

dude341 wrote:

No support. It's a forum for a reason, if we put it in the tips menu that no one reads, then who would use it?
EDIT: Oh, I see, it would also be elsewhere. Still no support because 1. Scratch is not the App Store 2. Scratch is not about fame. 3. It would be advertising. Putting in the Request forum is better because if you don't want to see adverts, then you don't go in the Request forums. 4. People would just go to use the Collaboration fourms because they probably did not want to manage their shops this way.
EDIT 2: Change that to Semi-Support.

1. How would this make it like the App Store? 2. This doesn't involve fame, and actually, with the way Scratch has turned … erhm, yeah, it is about fame. Kind of. 3. But it's good advertising, because it helps scratchers and new scratchers who need help with things to actually get help. It's not even advertising, really. And the adverts wouldn't be in your face, it'd be a link that's in a couple places, maybe on the top bar. 4. Then they don't have to manage it this way. It wouldn't be much different to set up and manage, and it'd honestly be way easier.

1MatsuLover wrote:

rollercoasterfan wrote:

Bump.

Since when did you resurrect a dead topic?

A couple hours ago.

cs156175 wrote:

The request forum also includes individuals' requests, not only shops. No support.

There could still be a requests forum, but the shops could be elsewhere.

NanoRook wrote:

An individual's request is more likely to get put through because there's going to be someone who will do your request without yours getting drowned in other requests.

No support.

Actually, it's the opposite. Hardly ever do the individual requests actually get completed. Shops completed orders already, but this would help them complete orders even easier.

pianogirl84 wrote:

Cool idea, but no support. What if you don't want to order from a shop, and you just want to make a new topic asking everyone, not just the shop?

^^

Firedrake969 wrote:

NanoRook wrote:

The Requests forum includes other people's requests, not just one person's request. Shops can take days or weeks (My personal experience) to get back to you because they're inactive and your request is drowned with thousands of other requests, too.
An individual's request is more likely to get put through because there's going to be someone who will do your request without yours getting drowned in other requests.

No support.

The requests forum was originally for individual requests, in fact

So keep the requests forum. Just put the shops elsewhere to help seperate them better. A lot of times you can't even tell the difference between shops and requests.

1MatsuLover wrote:

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

Um… what? How?

Also, have any of you people ever owned and managed a shop? It's really difficult right now. This would make it so much easier. It'd also allow scratchers to easily find a good shop for them instead of looking through a lot of shops that do the same thing but they don't know which to pick. It'd also help because there are way too many shops right now, and anybody can just freely open one without even thinking about what they're doing and how it will turn out in the long run.

I manage a shop because I want to help people. But that's not how it works. Hardly anybody sees my shop and my talents because there are a billion other shops to pick from and it's also hard to even know that the requests forum exists.

Apparently the only way to help people on Scratch successfully is to be an SDS or WC curator, something that the ST does. The Requests forum has potential to be one of the biggest ways to help people, but it's not being utilized properly.

RCF,

Please help me understand here. You own huge shops and you are quite popular. I feel like you're excluding the community from having a shop. You're taking away a valuable learning experience here. I remember when I first started. I started this little requests forum. I met a lot of people from that. Please think a bit more.

1MatsuLover wrote:

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

I agree.

No support.

-FreshStart- wrote:

RCF,

Please help me understand here. You own huge shops and you are quite popular. I feel like you're excluding the community from having a shop. You're taking away a valuable learning experience here. I remember when I first started. I started this little requests forum. I met a lot of people from that. Please think a bit more.

1MatsuLover wrote:

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

I agree.

No support.

I actually don't have a huge shop, and I'm not trying to exclude people. I'm just trying to make a bit of a more official system for this because it's organized.

How about this, there can still be a requests forum where people can freely create their own shops like now, but the serious people can do it this way to help the community more.

Also, how would be lose thousands of scratchers, or any scratchers at all?

Also, have any of you people ever owned and managed a shop?

Oops, forgot you have to be an expert in managing a shop to have an argument. I'll be sure to apologize for my post.

rollercoasterfan wrote:

-FreshStart- wrote:

RCF,

Please help me understand here. You own huge shops and you are quite popular. I feel like you're excluding the community from having a shop. You're taking away a valuable learning experience here. I remember when I first started. I started this little requests forum. I met a lot of people from that. Please think a bit more.

1MatsuLover wrote:

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

I agree.

No support.

I actually don't have a huge shop, and I'm not trying to exclude people. I'm just trying to make a bit of a more official system for this because it's organized.

How about this, there can still be a requests forum where people can freely create their own shops like now, but the serious people can do it this way to help the community more.

Also, how would be lose thousands of scratchers, or any scratchers at all?

You mention in your post that there will only be about 10-20 default shops. How will others create a shop, again?

Yes, you do own a huge, well-known shop here. You are a sub-shop of some well-known shops, including MakeTheBrainHappy's shop, which is one of the biggest shops on Scratch.

Thousands of Scratchers would be turned off because their shop has been deleted in place of other shops, and some could quit because their hard work and commitment is gone with the stars.

NanoRook wrote:

Also, have any of you people ever owned and managed a shop?

Oops, forgot you have to be an expert in managing a shop to have an argument. I'll be sure to apologize for my post.

rollercoasterfan wrote:

-FreshStart- wrote:

RCF,

Please help me understand here. You own huge shops and you are quite popular. I feel like you're excluding the community from having a shop. You're taking away a valuable learning experience here. I remember when I first started. I started this little requests forum. I met a lot of people from that. Please think a bit more.

1MatsuLover wrote:

No support, it's there for a reason. If that was ever removed, we could lose thousands of scratchers.

I agree.

No support.

I actually don't have a huge shop, and I'm not trying to exclude people. I'm just trying to make a bit of a more official system for this because it's organized.

How about this, there can still be a requests forum where people can freely create their own shops like now, but the serious people can do it this way to help the community more.

Also, how would be lose thousands of scratchers, or any scratchers at all?

You mention in your post that there will only be about 10-20 default shops. How will others create a shop, again?

Yes, you do own a huge, well-known shop here. You are a sub-shop of some well-known shops, including MakeTheBrainHappy's shop, which is one of the biggest shops on Scratch.

Thousands of Scratchers would be turned off because their shop has been deleted in place of other shops, and some could quit because their hard work and commitment is gone with the stars.

That's not my shop anymore. I have a new one.

My point is, I just feel their needs to be some way to have a lot of the good quality shops be seen and used by scratchers who need help. We could keep all the old shops as well, and there will be more than 10-20. As long as there is an amazing search and rating system that organizes the different shops strategically, there can be over dozens of shops.

Sheep_tester wrote:

I mean, Scratch isn't all about shops, so this shouldn't be on the top of the Scratch Team's priorities.

Sigton wrote:

The only thing I don't like about this (though I may have misunderstood), is that to create a shop you effectively just fill out a ‘create a shop’ form. I like that you make a shop in a regular forum, which lets you be as creative as you like with the BBcode and stuff.

Agreed. -1