HarryB178 wrote:

Barry Allen is the very source and creator of the Speed Force,and generates it with every step he takes. For this very reason, he is unaffected if any other speedster tries to steal or drain his speed. Barry has shown that he cannot be stopped by any force if he absorbs the Speed Force. Barry Allen is one of the fastest of the Flashes, and is arguably one of, the fastest beings to have ever existed. He is currently fast enough to easily break all of the barriers and even enter the Speed Force itself, and is one of the few people to have ever escaped from it. He does not often go beyond Mach 10, as speeds above that level are catastrophic to the environment. He has outrun Death in the form of The Black Racer, and can reach any speed he can imagine, and more. Barry Allen is the generator of the Speed Force if Barry ever needs to run faster he can just generate more energy like when he escaped the Negative Speed Force.

Oh I know very well all about Barry Allen. And in THEORY, he should be the fastest Flash, yes. However in terms of actual feats, Wally is the fastest.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/wally-west/4005-23879/forums/wally-west-13-trillion-times-the-speed-of-light-1646401/

Wally's fastest speed feat, as far as I know of. 13 Trillion times the speed of light. Much faster than anything Barry has done. If you have feats that disprove me, please feel free to show them.

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Barry Allen is the very source and creator of the Speed Force,and generates it with every step he takes. For this very reason, he is unaffected if any other speedster tries to steal or drain his speed. Barry has shown that he cannot be stopped by any force if he absorbs the Speed Force. Barry Allen is one of the fastest of the Flashes, and is arguably one of, the fastest beings to have ever existed. He is currently fast enough to easily break all of the barriers and even enter the Speed Force itself, and is one of the few people to have ever escaped from it. He does not often go beyond Mach 10, as speeds above that level are catastrophic to the environment. He has outrun Death in the form of The Black Racer, and can reach any speed he can imagine, and more. Barry Allen is the generator of the Speed Force if Barry ever needs to run faster he can just generate more energy like when he escaped the Negative Speed Force.

Oh I know very well all about Barry Allen. And in THEORY, he should be the fastest Flash, yes. However in terms of actual feats, Wally is the fastest.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/wally-west/4005-23879/forums/wally-west-13-trillion-times-the-speed-of-light-1646401/

Wally's fastest speed feat, as far as I know of. 13 Trillion times the speed of light. Much faster than anything Barry has done. If you have feats that disprove me, please feel free to show them.

impressive indeed but first and foremost Barry created the speedforce (that alone is a feat that says it all if you ask me) second when it comes to dimensional travel,breaking the time barrier and the other complex abilities associated with the speedforce during the events of Jla/avengers Wally himself stated it was really more of Barry's thing (implying he was not as capable with such abilities especially when compared to Barry ) lastly the page in your link stated near light speed so it was not even light speed to imply 13 trillion times the speed of light!

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Barry Allen is the very source and creator of the Speed Force,and generates it with every step he takes. For this very reason, he is unaffected if any other speedster tries to steal or drain his speed. Barry has shown that he cannot be stopped by any force if he absorbs the Speed Force. Barry Allen is one of the fastest of the Flashes, and is arguably one of, the fastest beings to have ever existed. He is currently fast enough to easily break all of the barriers and even enter the Speed Force itself, and is one of the few people to have ever escaped from it. He does not often go beyond Mach 10, as speeds above that level are catastrophic to the environment. He has outrun Death in the form of The Black Racer, and can reach any speed he can imagine, and more. Barry Allen is the generator of the Speed Force if Barry ever needs to run faster he can just generate more energy like when he escaped the Negative Speed Force.

Oh I know very well all about Barry Allen. And in THEORY, he should be the fastest Flash, yes. However in terms of actual feats, Wally is the fastest.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/wally-west/4005-23879/forums/wally-west-13-trillion-times-the-speed-of-light-1646401/

Wally's fastest speed feat, as far as I know of. 13 Trillion times the speed of light. Much faster than anything Barry has done. If you have feats that disprove me, please feel free to show them.

impressive indeed but first and foremost Barry created the speedforce (that alone is a feat that says it all if you ask me) second when it comes to dimensional travel,breaking the time barrier and the other complex abilities associated with the speedforce during the events of Jla/avengers Wally himself stated it was really more of Barry's thing (implying he was not as capable with such abilities especially when compared to Barry ) lastly the page in your link stated near light speed so it was not even light speed to imply 13 trillion times the speed of light!

The writer saying it was less than light speed was clearly not taking the actual math into consideration. When the math is done, Wally ran at 13 trillion times the speed of light. And while Barry may have been responsible for the creation of the Speed Force that doesn't mean he is the most skilled at using the abilities it grants. Barry has never performed an Infinite-Mass Punch. That feat is often falsely attributed to him, when in fact it was Wally. It also very clearly says in The Return Of Barry Allen (who SPOILER turned out to really be Reverse-Flash) that Wally has finally surpassed Barry. And that was early in Wally's career as The Flash.

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Barry Allen is the very source and creator of the Speed Force,and generates it with every step he takes. For this very reason, he is unaffected if any other speedster tries to steal or drain his speed. Barry has shown that he cannot be stopped by any force if he absorbs the Speed Force. Barry Allen is one of the fastest of the Flashes, and is arguably one of, the fastest beings to have ever existed. He is currently fast enough to easily break all of the barriers and even enter the Speed Force itself, and is one of the few people to have ever escaped from it. He does not often go beyond Mach 10, as speeds above that level are catastrophic to the environment. He has outrun Death in the form of The Black Racer, and can reach any speed he can imagine, and more. Barry Allen is the generator of the Speed Force if Barry ever needs to run faster he can just generate more energy like when he escaped the Negative Speed Force.

Oh I know very well all about Barry Allen. And in THEORY, he should be the fastest Flash, yes. However in terms of actual feats, Wally is the fastest.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/wally-west/4005-23879/forums/wally-west-13-trillion-times-the-speed-of-light-1646401/

Wally's fastest speed feat, as far as I know of. 13 Trillion times the speed of light. Much faster than anything Barry has done. If you have feats that disprove me, please feel free to show them.

impressive indeed but first and foremost Barry created the speedforce (that alone is a feat that says it all if you ask me) second when it comes to dimensional travel,breaking the time barrier and the other complex abilities associated with the speedforce during the events of Jla/avengers Wally himself stated it was really more of Barry's thing (implying he was not as capable with such abilities especially when compared to Barry ) lastly the page in your link stated near light speed so it was not even light speed to imply 13 trillion times the speed of light!

The writer saying it was less than light speed was clearly not taking the actual math into consideration. When the math is done, Wally ran at 13 trillion times the speed of light. And while Barry may have been responsible for the creation of the Speed Force that doesn't mean he is the most skilled at using the abilities it grants. Barry has never performed an Infinite-Mass Punch. That feat is often falsely attributed to him, when in fact it was Wally. It also very clearly says in The Return Of Barry Allen (who SPOILER turned out to really be Reverse-Flash) that Wally has finally surpassed Barry. And that was early in Wally's career as The Flash.

The infinite mass punch is not so impressive if you are comparing it to a feat such as urm I dunno causing A FLASHPOINT PARADOX secondly I do not have time to scrutinize the math correctly but all those were also approximations, as valid as the writers would be,also there is no evidence that remotely suggests Barry can not ran at such speed ….I mean Barry beat superman in a race twice( the second time he made his flight speed look pathetic : this happened in flash rebirth) and note that Superman's flight speed enabled him to fly lightyears in a matter of minutes (at most ten) all that said Wally has never beaten superman in a race so I can just as easily say it is not within his potential……even if Wally has moved at the speed in question (which so far it seems was only once, that is if it happened at all) does not prove anything!!! The speed he moved at was clearly not enough to break the time barrier which Barry has broken numerous times with ease if so Wally would have ended up somewhere else in time! Now since who ever did this calculation has not done similar for any of Barry's feats it is also unfair to conclude based on this.
Now if you check the definition of time barrier it says:the theoretical limit of real-time velocity in the known universe, at which point positive time halts, and the mass of any object traveling at that speed become infinite and incapable of any increase in velocity. note:incapable of increase in velocity meaning that is the limit of speed itself…. waaaaay beyond 13whatever trillion times the speed of light,and Barry runs that fast on a regular basis…..Wally even the new earth version of him who accomplished the above feat has always had problems with that,he may have surpassed Barry when Barry was dead but even that is inaccurate (another writers error) because it was impossible for wally to surpass Barry especially when he was dead because the speedforce could no longer grow without Barry to generate more.with that said even if he did Barry came back to life by escaping death itself,Barry became the black racer (god of death) and killed Darkseid ,Barry developed more techniques with the speedforce than Wally (including phasing,electro and even chronokenesis ) ,there is a reason why Wally has always been in Barry's shadow and yes he had the chance to catch up when Barry was dead but once Barr came back……his comeback alone sealed the deal…..I MEAN HE * OUTRUN DEATH!!!!! WALLY HAS NOT DONE THAT!

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

drmatrix wrote:

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

That is Wally in those panel. And Wally did beat Superman in a race. Adventures Of Superman #463. Which was also very early on in his career as The Flash. Wally has also phased through walls, and does so on a regular basis. Wally outruns death all the time. The Black Flash, who as you know is the embodiment of Death for speedsters, has been outrun by Wally on numerous occasions. The idea that Barry generates the Speed Force did not come about until Flash: Rebirth, and it was shown that Barry hadn't really died, he had just been trapped in the Speed Force. There's no reason he couldn't generate it from inside of it. The reason Wally didn't go back in time while running 13 trillion times the speed of light is because Wally has learned to control when he travels in time, and also does not need the Cosmic Treadmill to travel accurately through time, whereas Barry does.

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

That is Wally in those panel. And Wally did beat Superman in a race. Adventures Of Superman #463. Which was also very early on in his career as The Flash. Wally has also phased through walls, and does so on a regular basis. Wally outruns death all the time. The Black Flash, who as you know is the embodiment of Death for speedsters, has been outrun by Wally on numerous occasions. The idea that Barry generates the Speed Force did not come about until Flash: Rebirth, and it was shown that Barry hadn't really died, he had just been trapped in the Speed Force. There's no reason he couldn't generate it from inside of it. The reason Wally didn't go back in time while running 13 trillion times the speed of light is because Wally has learned to control when he travels in time, and also does not need the Cosmic Treadmill to travel accurately through time, whereas Barry does.

IT WAS BARRY!!!!Observe the costume…unless you can't tell the difference! Also Barry does not need the cosmic treadmill ,he made that clear in Blackest night and even rebirth,thirdly the current Wally West does not even have powers that said this contest is basically unnecessary also Wally never outran the black racer (I know that for a fact you need to prove it to tell me other wise. ) next Barry has done sooo much more including killing Darkseid,becoming the god of death and even causing the flashpoint paradox! Wally has done nothing remotely close….even his feats like outrunning a blackhole etc most of them was with Barry's help as Barry was helping him from within the speedforce….IN THE END WALLY IS JUST A REAL FLASHY KNOCK OFF OF BARRY!!!!!!

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

That is Wally in those panel. And Wally did beat Superman in a race. Adventures Of Superman #463. Which was also very early on in his career as The Flash. Wally has also phased through walls, and does so on a regular basis. Wally outruns death all the time. The Black Flash, who as you know is the embodiment of Death for speedsters, has been outrun by Wally on numerous occasions. The idea that Barry generates the Speed Force did not come about until Flash: Rebirth, and it was shown that Barry hadn't really died, he had just been trapped in the Speed Force. There's no reason he couldn't generate it from inside of it. The reason Wally didn't go back in time while running 13 trillion times the speed of light is because Wally has learned to control when he travels in time, and also does not need the Cosmic Treadmill to travel accurately through time, whereas Barry does.

IT WAS BARRY!!!!Observe the costume…unless you can't tell the difference! Also Barry does not need the cosmic treadmill ,he made that clear in Blackest night and even rebirth,thirdly the current Wally West does not even have powers that said this contest is basically unnecessary also Wally never outran the black racer (I know that for a fact you need to prove it to tell me other wise. ) next Barry has done sooo much more including killing Darkseid,becoming the god of death and even causing the flashpoint paradox! Wally has done nothing remotely close….even his feats like outrunning a blackhole etc most of them was with Barry's help as Barry was helping him from within the speedforce….IN THE END WALLY IS JUST A REAL FLASHY KNOCK OFF OF BARRY!!!!!!

Facepalm. I HAVE the comic. It's Wally doing the Infinite-Mass Punch. And the art style makes it clear it was done before Barry came back. The person who drew the Flash series after Barry came back was Francis Manapul. That is NOT his art. JLA #3 is when the Infinite-Mass Punch is performed by Wally, written by one Mr. Grant Morrison. That came out in 1997. Barry was dead. Also, sorry man, you need to catch up on your comics. Current Wally West is Pre-Flashpoint Wally West. The Wally West who you are thinking of as the current Wally West (the kid) has received powers, which is beside the point since in DC Universe Rebirth #1, Pre-Flashpoint Wally West came back and warned Barry of danger. The real Wally is back now, for good. Causing the Flashpoint Paradox (which isn't even what its called) is not an impressive feat. All he did was travel back in time and change something, which screwed up the timeline. Wally could do that. Kang The Conquerer could (and did) do that. Reverse-Flash could do that. Booster Gold could do that. Bart Allen could do that. If anything, causing Flashpoint shows that Barry does not have the knowledge of the timeline to realize the consequences of his actions (side note, I fully understand that Barry DOES know about the consequences of every action, I'm just stating that causing the Flashpoint isn't a good example for Barry's skill. Wally has indeed outran the Black FLASH. Black Flash and Black Racer are 2 different things. Wally outran the Black Flash.

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

That is Wally in those panel. And Wally did beat Superman in a race. Adventures Of Superman #463. Which was also very early on in his career as The Flash. Wally has also phased through walls, and does so on a regular basis. Wally outruns death all the time. The Black Flash, who as you know is the embodiment of Death for speedsters, has been outrun by Wally on numerous occasions. The idea that Barry generates the Speed Force did not come about until Flash: Rebirth, and it was shown that Barry hadn't really died, he had just been trapped in the Speed Force. There's no reason he couldn't generate it from inside of it. The reason Wally didn't go back in time while running 13 trillion times the speed of light is because Wally has learned to control when he travels in time, and also does not need the Cosmic Treadmill to travel accurately through time, whereas Barry does.

IT WAS BARRY!!!!Observe the costume…unless you can't tell the difference! Also Barry does not need the cosmic treadmill ,he made that clear in Blackest night and even rebirth,thirdly the current Wally West does not even have powers that said this contest is basically unnecessary also Wally never outran the black racer (I know that for a fact you need to prove it to tell me other wise. ) next Barry has done sooo much more including killing Darkseid,becoming the god of death and even causing the flashpoint paradox! Wally has done nothing remotely close….even his feats like outrunning a blackhole etc most of them was with Barry's help as Barry was helping him from within the speedforce….IN THE END WALLY IS JUST A REAL FLASHY KNOCK OFF OF BARRY!!!!!!

Facepalm. I HAVE the comic. It's Wally doing the Infinite-Mass Punch. And the art style makes it clear it was done before Barry came back. The person who drew the Flash series after Barry came back was Francis Manapul. That is NOT his art. JLA #3 is when the Infinite-Mass Punch is performed by Wally, written by one Mr. Grant Morrison. That came out in 1997. Barry was dead. Also, sorry man, you need to catch up on your comics. Current Wally West is Pre-Flashpoint Wally West. The Wally West who you are thinking of as the current Wally West (the kid) has received powers, which is beside the point since in DC Universe Rebirth #1, Pre-Flashpoint Wally West came back and warned Barry of danger. The real Wally is back now, for good. Causing the Flashpoint Paradox (which isn't even what its called) is not an impressive feat. All he did was travel back in time and change something, which screwed up the timeline. Wally could do that. Kang The Conquerer could (and did) do that. Reverse-Flash could do that. Booster Gold could do that. Bart Allen could do that. If anything, causing Flashpoint shows that Barry does not have the knowledge of the timeline to realize the consequences of his actions (side note, I fully understand that Barry DOES know about the consequences of every action, I'm just stating that causing the Flashpoint isn't a good example for Barry's skill. Wally has indeed outran the Black FLASH. Black Flash and Black Racer are 2 different things. Wally outran the Black Flash.

OKAY OKAY…..besides the point most of Wally Wests impressive feats were with the aid of Barry Allen who btw was not dead but in fact the speedforce itself! An example is when Wally escaped a blackhole ….. Barry manifested and aided him there are a few others, secondly as the creator of the speedforce Barry is immune to certain things like speed steal, next the future version we have seen of the current Wally West is impressive but if that future will be reached is another matter all together, my point is even the current one powers or not has not bested Barry neither did the pre 52 one! Second you cannot downplay the essence of the flashpoint , Going back in time to a very precise moment with such skill and accuracy is very impressive something Wally presumably could do but is yet TO DO! Once again mentioning Blackest night Barry once again displays his superior abilities with the speedforce moving through time with such uncanny precision and ease Wally could not match up, also Barry has the ability to draw others into the speed force where his abilities are on an entirely different level! He killed Savitar with just a touch and KILLED DARKSEID ( as the god of death) for him to have even survived that is as impressive as Batman sitting on the morbius chair……next to impossible, Wally did not become the same lightening bolt that hit himself unlike Barry! http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bartholomew_Allen_(New_Earth)#Powers_and_Abilities (Barry can do infinite mass punch!)

Marvel's team is Avengers. Spiderman, Iron Man, Captain America, Deadpool, Daredevil, Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel. Superman, DC's team is Batman, The Flash, Wonder Woman and the Green Lantern. Honestly, I would say DC. DC has super overpowered characters. Superman can do everything, The Flash is super speedy. Plus they have Batman who can fly. BATMAN!

Batman can't fly?

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TheMrSmiles wrote:

TheMrSmiles wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Baconcrisp3 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

TheMrSmiles wrote:

TheMrSmiles wrote:

FLASH, NIGHTWING, DOOMSDAY, BLACK CAT, CYCLOPS, HAWKEYE, AQUAMAN, MYSTIQUE, AND VISION ARE THE LAST STANDING, WHO WILL SURVIVE!?

Flash speeds by Cyclops and takes off his visor, thinking it will stop his powers. Flash was wrong. Cyclops' powers went frantic and shot through Doomsday and destroyed him.
Flash's Daily Words of Wisdom: “He was probably going to betray us anyway. ”

FLASH, NIGHTWING, DOOMSDAY, BLACK CAT, CYCLOPS, HAWKEYE, AQUAMAN, MYSTIQUE, AND VISION!!!

Meanwhile… Black Cat and Hawkeye are plotting a brutal attack against Nightwing…

The Flash runs until he finds Auqman at the beach. Suddenly, what appears to be a siren comes near them in the water. “Don't look! Run,” Aquaman exclaims. “Barry, I said don't look!” Flash stares in wonder. “Mom?”

TO BE CONTINUED…

CONTINUED
“COME ON!”
“Wait! I won't get another chance to see her!”
“It's not her!”
Aquaman dives towards the Flash and saves him from the “siren's” blast of her gun she pulled at as she showed her true self. It was Mystique! Aquaman wasn't as lucky. “No,” screamed the Flash as his friend fell to the ground. He ran straight into Mystique, causing her to fly into the ocean, never to be seen again.

FLASH, NIGHTWING, DOOMSDAY, BLACK CAT, CYCLOPS, HAWKEYE, AQUAMAN, MYSTIQUE, AND VISION!!!

Meanwhile… Nightwing is at the Bat Cave, training with anger over the loss of so many friends. Suddenly, he hears footsteps. He turns around and delivers a powerful kick into Black Cat's stomach. Then, he throws a Batarang into her neck and starts walking towards Hawkeye. He's not letting them take away anyone else close to him. Hawkeye shoots an arrow at Nightwing's shoulder. Nightwing catches it, but then notices Hawkeye retreating. The arrow destroys the entire Bat Cave, and Hawkeye barely makes it out alive. “I'm sorry,” he mutters. “I did this for my friends.”

FLASH, NIGHTWING, DOOMSDAY, BLACK CAT, CYCLOPS, HAWKEYE, AQUAMAN, MYSTIQUE, AND VISION!!!

Vision flies through the streets, trying to locate any enemies lurking about. He sees a flash (no pun intended) of red blur past him. Knowing that he's to slow to chase after a speedster, he lures, the Flash to him by… I don't know where I'm going with this, so someone else can finish it.

um supermans heat vision which is similar to cyclops powers have already been proven to be ineffective against doomsday and flash would just vibrate his hand into cyclops heart than take his visor and even if that happened The chances of the Visor hitting any other character apart from doomsday is pretty high but even with that Scott would close his eyes before any of that happened……YOUR POST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

Actually Cyclop's beams are way weaker than Super Man's beams.

That depends. Cyclops started off pretty weak, but when he got the phoenix Force his powers were greatly boosted. I think even when he lost it he still had boosted powers.

Supermans beams have been shown to be able to level at least part o f the amazon island (given it was an animated movie and I have no comic source for similar feats) but generally comicbook supermen are stronger and my point is when has cyclops in any source done anything remotely similar!

Ok, ok, I get it. My post doesn't make that much sense, but Cyclops' powers are the highest when his visor is taken off, plus Superman can't kill Doomsday because Doomsday is meant to kill Kryptonians, so Cyclops could potentially kill Doomsday. Plus, this was just for fun

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who is faster flash or quicksilver.obviosly quicksilver. He can run so fast he can run back in time. quicksilver kills all dc when there children .marvel wins

Flash can run back in time with ease. Plus, he can make lightning he runs so fast. DC wins.

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

awesomedomination8 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

But then again, he can glide up and down so it's more or less flying.

awesomedomination8 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

HE WAS FLYING NOT GLIDING!!!
IN FACT HE COULD EVEN TELEPORT AND EVERYTHING!

drmatrix wrote:

awesomedomination8 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

HE WAS FLYING NOT GLIDING!!!
IN FACT HE COULD EVEN TELEPORT AND EVERYTHING!

But he doesn't have powers

jji10 wrote:

awesomedomination8 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

But then again, he can glide up and down so it's more or less flying.

I suppose so.

HarryB178 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

awesomedomination8 wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

HarryB178 wrote:

Batman can't fly?

god of knowledge batman can!!!

Well, he can't technically fly. He can more glide.

HE WAS FLYING NOT GLIDING!!!
IN FACT HE COULD EVEN TELEPORT AND EVERYTHING!

But he doesn't have powers

Just to clear up some confusion here, yes, Batman does not have powers. Drmatrix is referring to the time when Batman sat on the Mobuis Chair, which is the object that gives Metron (The God of Knowledge) the ability to teleport, fly, etc.

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

BruceWayneIsBatman wrote:

drmatrix wrote:

PS Barry has done the infinite mass punch before ….here is your evidence http://comicvine.gamespot.com/barry-allen/4005-22804/forums/the-flashs-infinite-mass-punch-and-its-feasibility-596538/

That is Wally in those panel. And Wally did beat Superman in a race. Adventures Of Superman #463. Which was also very early on in his career as The Flash. Wally has also phased through walls, and does so on a regular basis. Wally outruns death all the time. The Black Flash, who as you know is the embodiment of Death for speedsters, has been outrun by Wally on numerous occasions. The idea that Barry generates the Speed Force did not come about until Flash: Rebirth, and it was shown that Barry hadn't really died, he had just been trapped in the Speed Force. There's no reason he couldn't generate it from inside of it. The reason Wally didn't go back in time while running 13 trillion times the speed of light is because Wally has learned to control when he travels in time, and also does not need the Cosmic Treadmill to travel accurately through time, whereas Barry does.

IT WAS BARRY!!!!Observe the costume…unless you can't tell the difference! Also Barry does not need the cosmic treadmill ,he made that clear in Blackest night and even rebirth,thirdly the current Wally West does not even have powers that said this contest is basically unnecessary also Wally never outran the black racer (I know that for a fact you need to prove it to tell me other wise. ) next Barry has done sooo much more including killing Darkseid,becoming the god of death and even causing the flashpoint paradox! Wally has done nothing remotely close….even his feats like outrunning a blackhole etc most of them was with Barry's help as Barry was helping him from within the speedforce….IN THE END WALLY IS JUST A REAL FLASHY KNOCK OFF OF BARRY!!!!!!

Facepalm. I HAVE the comic. It's Wally doing the Infinite-Mass Punch. And the art style makes it clear it was done before Barry came back. The person who drew the Flash series after Barry came back was Francis Manapul. That is NOT his art. JLA #3 is when the Infinite-Mass Punch is performed by Wally, written by one Mr. Grant Morrison. That came out in 1997. Barry was dead. Also, sorry man, you need to catch up on your comics. Current Wally West is Pre-Flashpoint Wally West. The Wally West who you are thinking of as the current Wally West (the kid) has received powers, which is beside the point since in DC Universe Rebirth #1, Pre-Flashpoint Wally West came back and warned Barry of danger. The real Wally is back now, for good. Causing the Flashpoint Paradox (which isn't even what its called) is not an impressive feat. All he did was travel back in time and change something, which screwed up the timeline. Wally could do that. Kang The Conquerer could (and did) do that. Reverse-Flash could do that. Booster Gold could do that. Bart Allen could do that. If anything, causing Flashpoint shows that Barry does not have the knowledge of the timeline to realize the consequences of his actions (side note, I fully understand that Barry DOES know about the consequences of every action, I'm just stating that causing the Flashpoint isn't a good example for Barry's skill. Wally has indeed outran the Black FLASH. Black Flash and Black Racer are 2 different things. Wally outran the Black Flash.

OKAY OKAY…..besides the point most of Wally Wests impressive feats were with the aid of Barry Allen who btw was not dead but in fact the speedforce itself! An example is when Wally escaped a blackhole ….. Barry manifested and aided him there are a few others, secondly as the creator of the speedforce Barry is immune to certain things like speed steal, next the future version we have seen of the current Wally West is impressive but if that future will be reached is another matter all together, my point is even the current one powers or not has not bested Barry neither did the pre 52 one! Second you cannot downplay the essence of the flashpoint , Going back in time to a very precise moment with such skill and accuracy is very impressive something Wally presumably could do but is yet TO DO! Once again mentioning Blackest night Barry once again displays his superior abilities with the speedforce moving through time with such uncanny precision and ease Wally could not match up, also Barry has the ability to draw others into the speed force where his abilities are on an entirely different level! He killed Savitar with just a touch and KILLED DARKSEID ( as the god of death) for him to have even survived that is as impressive as Batman sitting on the morbius chair……next to impossible, Wally did not become the same lightening bolt that hit himself unlike Barry! http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bartholomew_Allen_(New_Earth)#Powers_and_Abilities (Barry can do infinite mass punch!)

In The Flash Rebirth, when Professor Zoom goes back in time to kill Iris before her and Barry's first date, Barry goes back in time to stop him. So does Wally. They both go back to an exact, precise moment in time. And Barry did not help Wally with that time travel. In fact, at another point in Flash Rebirth, Barry is running through the Speed Force and he is trying to follow the Reverse-Flash's trail, but he can't do it and he is about to fall, defeated. Then Wally comes and easily helps him up and pushes him forward. Barry was struggling to even stand in that area of the Speed Force, Wally ran through it no problem. Barry killing Savitar is in no way an example of his skill. He had been corrupted by Professor Zoom and had become The Black Flash. And sure, maybe the wiki says he CAN do the Infinite-Mass Punch, but he HASN'T done it. Also, while looking through some old Wally comics for more feats, I found that there is one where he crosses the entire Universe in an instant. Barry can't even come close to that.