Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming

DigiTechs wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
I've found that clearing the cache any other way doesn't work. It seems that this way is the only way that MAKES it redownload Whiskers.image

You should probably try implementing versioning into the image files then.

Something like this:
Whiskers241.image
Whiskers242.image

etc...
That way, while you do have to do more work (editing the HTML), it ends up being a lot easier for the end user

I probably should, though a bit of PHP might help, by finding the latest version number… I'll probably be done with it soon

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Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
I've cleared my cache.

No “Fibonacci test” option. The first one gives me an error (something like “key not found”)
Can you completely clear your cache? You need to do the following steps:
go to chrome://history/
click “clear browsing data”
check ONLY “Cached images and files”
click “clear browsing data”
I've found that clearing the cache any other way doesn't work. It seems that this way is the only way that MAKES it redownload Whiskers.image

I'm using Firefox and clicked on History -> Clear Recent History, checked Cache, and clicked Clear Now.

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NoMod-Programming

Jonathan50 wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
I've cleared my cache.

No “Fibonacci test” option. The first one gives me an error (something like “key not found”)
Can you completely clear your cache? You need to do the following steps:
go to chrome://history/
click “clear browsing data”
check ONLY “Cached images and files”
click “clear browsing data”
I've found that clearing the cache any other way doesn't work. It seems that this way is the only way that MAKES it redownload Whiskers.image
I'm using Firefox and clicked on History -> Clear Recent History, checked Cache, and clicked Clear Now.

Alright. Try it again (I've used numbered filenames as per @DigiTech's suggestion)
EDIT: As for your black screen problem, I've found this through a quick google search; you might want to check it out:http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2002-July/041096.html

Last edited by NoMod-Programming (May 2, 2016 00:46:48)

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helloandgoodbye9

-Radical- wrote:
I already know it for Windows and Mac, and none of our devs use Linux. Also, a lot of people will be shift-clicking Edit, since that gives you a bunch of goodies in the main Scratch.

I think you should at least *try* my idea before you make a final descision.

I use linux sometimes…
Anyways, it is still good in order to talk about bugs, even if they dont know coding that well.

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Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
I've cleared my cache.
http://i64.tinypic.com/jj2tq9.png
No “Fibonacci test” option. The first one gives me an error (something like “key not found”)
Can you completely clear your cache? You need to do the following steps:
go to chrome://history/
click “clear browsing data”
check ONLY “Cached images and files”
click “clear browsing data”
I've found that clearing the cache any other way doesn't work. It seems that this way is the only way that MAKES it redownload Whiskers.image
I'm using Firefox and clicked on History -> Clear Recent History, checked Cache, and clicked Clear Now.
Alright. Try it again (I've used numbered filenames as per @DigiTech's suggestion)
EDIT: As for your black screen problem, I've found this through a quick google search; you might want to check it out:http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2002-July/041096.html

Cleared my cache, “Downloading Whiskers24_1.image”, waiting for the download, done, a little more waiting, I shift click on the tips menu, I see the Fibonacci test item, I click on it, wait, click on Sprite1, wait again, oh, oh, oh oh oh custom reporters IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL!!

The 12th Fibonacci number is 144.

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Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
EDIT: As for your black screen problem, I've found this through a quick google search; you might want to check it out:http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2002-July/041096.html

When I run ‘scratch’ it outputs

Executing: /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm -encoding UTF-8 -vm-display-x11 -plugins /usr/lib/scratch/Plugins/:/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/ -vm-sound-pulse /usr/lib/scratch/Scratch.image

Running that command works just fine. I can't see why just swapping /usr/lib/scratch/Scratch.image with the Whiskers image shouldn't work but I'll try it anyway.

Nope. I tried copying the plugins from /usr/lib/scratch/Plugins/ to /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/ (the same folder as the squeakvm binary and non-Scratch-related plugins) and running Whiskers again removing /usr/lib/scratch/Plugins from the plugin path and it's just the same. Reverted it.

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-Radical-

@NoMod you should probably do this “Whiskers_v24.1.image” rather than “Whiskers_1” or whatever you did.

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NoMod-Programming

-Radical- wrote:
@NoMod you should probably do this “Whiskers_v24.1.image” rather than “Whiskers_1” or whatever you did.

Actually, I named it Whiskers24_1.image, and it will keep going on and on, so for version 25, it would be Whiskers25.image, for version 25.1 it would be Whiskers25_1.image, and for something like version 25.1a it would be Whiskers25_1a.image. Therefore, there are no name collisions and it is easy to tell which version is being loaded.

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-Radical-

Actually, please remove the already-existing SqueakJS files because I would like to replace them with a version that will allow us to run FOUR version:

1) The latest version
2) The most reliable version
3) ?
4) Scratch

Do you like the idea?

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Jonathan50

Why Scratch?

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-Radical-

I just think it might run easier is all.

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NoMod-Programming

-Radical- wrote:
Actually, please remove the already-existing SqueakJS files because I would like to replace them with a version that will allow us to run FOUR version:

1) The latest version
2) The most reliable version
3) ?
4) Scratch

Do you like the idea?

I think the idea of choosing to run the latest version or the most reliable version might help, but what's the determining factor on which version is more reliable than which or at what point to update either one, because it can be argued that the most recent version might be more stable, or any other version is more stable.

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-Radical-

The latest version is usually pretty buggy, IMO

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Jonathan50

The whiskers site is down panic

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-Radical-

Sometimes it does that. Just wait a few days, it will come up.

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NoMod-Programming

Jonathan50 wrote:
The whiskers site is down panic

Sorry, it was an issue with a php file that the .htaccess was directing all the requests too. It's working again.

-Radical- wrote:
Sometimes it does that. Just wait a few days, it will come up.

Yeah, a lot of the time it might be because all the bandwidth is being used up (I've already surpassed the 1.4GB mark in one week! I'm going to be moving the .image files to something like google drive to lessen the bandwidth on the whiskers site… But the whiskers site will still be hosted on gwiddle!

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-Radical-

NoMod, I can find a way to host it on GitHub.

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NoMod-Programming

-Radical- wrote:
NoMod, I can find a way to host it on GitHub.

Actually, I already edited the Whiskers download link to point to GitHub. But thanks for the offer

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-Radical-

Ok. BTW, should I delete the “WhiskersDevelopers” organization? I do not think we need it.

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NoMod-Programming

-Radical- wrote:
Ok. BTW, should I delete the “WhiskersDevelopers” organization? I do not think we need it.

??? What's that?

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