Don't kill me please , lol. I know this probably won't happen. But it would be pretty cool to have the same type of environment that scratch provides to younger children, for teens. I'm 15 and scratch is great but it has its limits, which is good cause the goal was always to have as little confusion and intimidation as possible. But that's for a younger audience, wouldn't it be interesting to have a similar environment for teens when it comes to “typed” programming? It would start out very simple, it would have its own library probably. There would be a complete workbook on learning a certain programming language. etc.

I'm learning python atm, but it seems like the people who try to instruct teens how to code are… mistaken at how obvious they're explanations seem. I've seen good attempts, the best was at LearnStreet. After continuing learning python on that site, all of sudden they wanted me to do something that contained some syntax that they had NEVER shown me before . I don't know what the big deal is, but this seems to happen a lot more than it should.

By having a sort of scratch website for teens, I personally wouldn't have to worry about the teacher's ability to, well, teach (cause ST is awesome xD). I'm still gonna get over that syntax mishap by learnstreet but I don't want something like that to happen again. I'm also not necessarily suggesting that the scratch team do this themselves. I don't much care who does it, so long as it works. Anyone else have similar experiences? Or am I mistaken somehow?

Uhg… Please…For the 100th time… No.

NO, scratch is for teens.

Scratch is for all ages, and is perfectly fine the way it is. It is for young, old, the tech-savvy , the not-so-tech-savvy. It is an area for all, and making Scratch for teens would be like segregation.

Bluemadness107 wrote:

NO, scratch is for teens.

It's for all ages.

Well, I have the same experience with Codecadamy for Java and it wasn't really good at explaining stuff. I actually support, as the Scratch Team would be pretty good as teachers for programming. The only problem is they would need another grant and they have asked for many grants for Scratch 2.0 and got rid of the TBGs due to grant limitations.

Scratch 2.0 only has 1 limitation: No support for in-program file IO. Teens that have used Scratch for a while should move on to text-based programming. I'd recommend Python, then PHP, then Java. I'm not sure if it's even possible to implement more stuff into Scratch, since it is web based, and the browser itself puts many limits on the Scratch app. The downloadable version will not have these limitations, but they won't put features in it that aren't in the online version.

soniku3 wrote:

Bluemadness107 wrote:

NO, scratch is for teens.

It's for all ages.

That's what i meant, i meant that scratch isn't just for kids but for teens also.

I knew some people would be against this… but I don't know why.

Scratch uses blocks to create code. It's a great first step, but what next?

A site LIKE scratch that is specifically designed for teenagers and not so much for younger kids is what I'm wanting. It would teach teens how to code without using blocks. Because that is what is next, why are we against this?

As I said it's a great FIRST step, but face it, in the real world, programming isn't done with colorful blocks that snap together. In the end, if you want to do anything that's actually useful longterm, learning programming languages is required.

I know the ST won't be able to support something like this considering how long it took to make the 2.0 update. I'm just talking in general.

bullelk12 wrote:

I knew some people would be against this… but I don't know why.

Me neither. Maybe they aren't teenagers and have their own thoughts and feelings about this suggestion.

Then go to Stencil.com if you want something more advanced.

peterkap wrote:

Then go to Stencil.com if you want something more advanced.

I think you mean: http://www.stencyl.com/

Yes it is more advanced, but not too advanced. (One part of it was inspired by Scratch) The only thing is that is mainly for games. (and no “Stencyl Community”) You make make flash games and make it standalone, or share it at a website like kongregate.(and if you have some permits or something you can share it on iOS and Android)

oh, that's cool, I'll look into it . Thanks

What you seem to want is a text-basted version of Scratch. Try looking for M30W in the old Avanced Topics.

ke1235 wrote:

peterkap wrote:

Then go to Stencil.com if you want something more advanced.

I think you mean: http://www.stencyl.com/

Yes it is more advanced, but not too advanced. (One part of it was inspired by Scratch) The only thing is that is mainly for games. (and no “Stencyl Community”) You make make flash games and make it standalone, or share it at a website like kongregate.(and if you have some permits or something you can share it on iOS and Android)

This was EXACTLY what I was talking about. There are far fewer limits with stencyl , thanks

ke1235 wrote:

peterkap wrote:

Then go to Stencil.com if you want something more advanced.

I think you mean: http://www.stencyl.com/

Yes it is more advanced, but not too advanced. (One part of it was inspired by Scratch) The only thing is that is mainly for games. (and no “Stencyl Community”)

Oh? I thought that had some community, but maybe they got rid of it? Can you say more about what community means to you? I'm always curious about that.

bullelk12 wrote:

Don't kill me please , lol. I know this probably won't happen. But it would be pretty cool to have the same type of environment that scratch provides to younger children, for teens. I'm 15 and scratch is great but it has its limits, which is good cause the goal was always to have as little confusion and intimidation as possible. But that's for a younger audience, wouldn't it be interesting to have a similar environment for teens when it comes to “typed” programming? It would start out very simple, it would have its own library probably. There would be a complete workbook on learning a certain programming language. etc.

I'm learning python atm, but it seems like the people who try to instruct teens how to code are… mistaken at how obvious they're explanations seem. I've seen good attempts, the best was at LearnStreet. After continuing learning python on that site, all of sudden they wanted me to do something that contained some syntax that they had NEVER shown me before . I don't know what the big deal is, but this seems to happen a lot more than it should.

By having a sort of scratch website for teens, I personally wouldn't have to worry about the teacher's ability to, well, teach (cause ST is awesome xD). I'm still gonna get over that syntax mishap by learnstreet but I don't want something like that to happen again. I'm also not necessarily suggesting that the scratch team do this themselves. I don't much care who does it, so long as it works. Anyone else have similar experiences? Or am I mistaken somehow?

Hey It's not a terrible idea. It would be nice to have a more advanced scratch. I mean, if someday you want to be a programmer, your gonna have to upgrade from scratch sometime.

AgentCNF wrote:

bullelk12 wrote:

Don't kill me please , lol. I know this probably won't happen. But it would be pretty cool to have the same type of environment that scratch provides to younger children, for teens. I'm 15 and scratch is great but it has its limits, which is good cause the goal was always to have as little confusion and intimidation as possible. But that's for a younger audience, wouldn't it be interesting to have a similar environment for teens when it comes to “typed” programming? It would start out very simple, it would have its own library probably. There would be a complete workbook on learning a certain programming language. etc.

I'm learning python atm, but it seems like the people who try to instruct teens how to code are… mistaken at how obvious they're explanations seem. I've seen good attempts, the best was at LearnStreet. After continuing learning python on that site, all of sudden they wanted me to do something that contained some syntax that they had NEVER shown me before . I don't know what the big deal is, but this seems to happen a lot more than it should.

By having a sort of scratch website for teens, I personally wouldn't have to worry about the teacher's ability to, well, teach (cause ST is awesome xD). I'm still gonna get over that syntax mishap by learnstreet but I don't want something like that to happen again. I'm also not necessarily suggesting that the scratch team do this themselves. I don't much care who does it, so long as it works. Anyone else have similar experiences? Or am I mistaken somehow?

Hey It's not a terrible idea. It would be nice to have a more advanced scratch. I mean, if someday you want to be a programmer, your gonna have to upgrade from scratch sometime.

Well, that stencyl site is the next in my opinion. It allows you to code with text and blocks, plus, there's just more content. This makes it quite a bit harder, but It's supposed to be that way.

problem is stencyl is blocked at school

Lightnin wrote:

ke1235 wrote:

peterkap wrote:

Then go to Stencil.com if you want something more advanced.

I think you mean: http://www.stencyl.com/

Yes it is more advanced, but not too advanced. (One part of it was inspired by Scratch) The only thing is that is mainly for games. (and no “Stencyl Community”)

Oh? I thought that had some community, but maybe they got rid of it? Can you say more about what community means to you? I'm always curious about that.

yeah, they do have a community, you can share projects, and comment on them.