Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

NoMod-Programming

-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
infinitytec wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!
YES!
Yeah! Once I get the project loading to work (I need to import the custom blocks), I'll give a gamma (Can I use that in a sentence?)
lol i think so

I don't know why am i excited for this even though i don't use any Pi device, it's just such a cool project

Aren't we all?

I just *cough* hacked *cough* into the newest NuScratch image so I could edit it. Whiskers runs about 20x faster on my Pi (But I *still* need to import the custom blocks)

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-Io-

NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
infinitytec wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!
YES!
Yeah! Once I get the project loading to work (I need to import the custom blocks), I'll give a gamma (Can I use that in a sentence?)
lol i think so

I don't know why am i excited for this even though i don't use any Pi device, it's just such a cool project
Aren't we all? I just *cough* hacked *cough* into the newest NuScratch image so I could edit it. Whiskers runs about 20x faster on my Pi (But I *still* need to import the custom blocks)

Oh, well, wish you luck!

NoMod-Programming

-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
infinitytec wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!
YES!
Yeah! Once I get the project loading to work (I need to import the custom blocks), I'll give a gamma (Can I use that in a sentence?)
lol i think so

I don't know why am i excited for this even though i don't use any Pi device, it's just such a cool project
Aren't we all? I just *cough* hacked *cough* into the newest NuScratch image so I could edit it. Whiskers runs about 20x faster on my Pi (But I *still* need to import the custom blocks)
Oh, well, wish you luck!

Thanks!

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Znapi

This doesn't support SVGs yet, right? So that you don't have to write your own in Squeak, I suggest you look into writing a Squeak plugin and using librsvg. I think it is a fairly feature complete library. I don't know how hard writing a Squeak plugin is or how hard it will be to get librsvg to work on the platforms you you are supporting though, but I am guessing it is easier than writing your own.

NoMod-Programming

Znapi wrote:
This doesn't support SVGs yet, right? So that you don't have to write your own in Squeak, I suggest you look into writing a Squeak plugin and using librsvg. I think it is a fairly feature complete library. I don't know how hard writing a Squeak plugin is or how hard it will be to get librsvg to work on the platforms you you are supporting though, but I am guessing it is easier than writing your own.

No it doesn't, and I don't plan to add SVG saving just yet due to the fact that Scratch 2 can't load SVGs from the old file format, and I haven't finished the loading/saving of projects in the new format). Once I get loading and saving 2.0 projects working, though, I will add SVG support. As for using a plugin: squeak plugins are kind of like addons to the squeak code, but they need a seperate file to run most of the tome. I want to use FFI for the plugins so that the end-user doesn't need a new plugin for their system (And I just don't know how to write a plugin)

Srry for any spelling errors. This was typed on an oPhone

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NoMod-Programming

Okay… Here's the first beta build off of NuScratch! This requires you to run it using the Squeak 5.0 VM.

This should be much faster but beware! Many features are not implemented, and many blocks may not work. These are the known bugs:

BUG LIST:
The sound category in the tab pane gives an error when clicked
Menus don't have shadows
Custom blocks are unavailable
The new hat blocks show up as normal blocks and don't work
Some of the new blocks have performance issues compared to the other blocks
Presentation mode is unusable
Rotating sprites has interesting effects
Graphic effects do not work

Last edited by NoMod-Programming (Jan. 24, 2016 00:51:46)

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Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
Okay… Here's the first beta build with NuScratch! This requires you to run it using the Squeak 5.0 VM.

This should be much faster but beware! Many features are not implemented, and many blocks may not work. These are the known bugs:
BUG LIST:
The sound category in the tab pane gives an error when clicked
Menus don't have shadows
Custom blocks are unavailable
The new hat blocks show up as normal blocks and don't work
Some of the new blocks have performance issues compared to the other blocks
Presentation mode is unusable

What is the relationship between this and NuScratch?

Not yet a Knight of the Mu Calculus.

NoMod-Programming

Jonathan50 wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
Okay… Here's the first beta built off of NuScratch! This requires you to run it using the Squeak 5.0 VM.

This should be much faster but beware! Many features are not implemented, and many blocks may not work. These are the known bugs:
BUG LIST:
The sound category in the tab pane gives an error when clicked
Menus don't have shadows
Custom blocks are unavailable
The new hat blocks show up as normal blocks and don't work
Some of the new blocks have performance issues compared to the other blocks
Presentation mode is unusable
What is the relationship between this and NuScratch?

I modded NuScratch to make this. I should be more specific.

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helloandgoodbye9

Just a quick question - what is nuscratch?

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Ethan_1

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Just a quick question - what is nuscratch?

NuScratch is the modifications to Scratch made by the Raspberry Pi team. It is optimized for the Raspberry Pi. It also uses Squeak 5 as I remember.

NoMod-Programming

Ethan_1 wrote:
helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Just a quick question - what is nuscratch?
NuScratch is the modifications to Scratch made by the Raspberry Pi team. It is optimized for the Raspberry Pi. It also uses Squeak 5 as I remember.

Yeah! Also, NuScratch is a bit buggy from time-to-time (as it is being ported from Squeak-to-NewSqueak all the time), so there might be a lot of bugs in the first few releases of Whiskers while it is being developed as a mod of NuScratch. But I must say, NuScratch is excellent. Just looking at the source code gave me a glimpse how fast it is! *clap* *clap*

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SimpleScratch

Instructions for installing it
http://simplesi.net/nuscratch-version-of-whiskers/

Just WOW!!!!

Simon

I've changed instructions to call it NuWhiskers so that both the standard Whiskers image and NuWhiskers versions can be used at same time until NuWhiskers is more complete

Last edited by SimpleScratch (Jan. 23, 2016 21:51:58)

helloandgoodbye9

Anyway to use it without having nuscratch, or can you download nuscratch for this? Or is this for the rasberry pi only?

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SimpleScratch

Anyway to use it without having nuscratch, or can you download nuscratch for this? Or is this for the raspberry pi only?

The post
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/1744817/
here is talking about a special version for the Pi (I'd imagine it will run in some modern Squeak environment on other computers but not really worth try while its in theis early stage)

Main Whiskers (using the older squeak that gets installed when you install official Scratch 1.4) is available
http://whiskers.gwiddle.co.uk/

To use standard Whiskers (which runs file on any modern computer) just install Scratch 1.4 from main Scratch website and then follow instructions on website above

Last edited by SimpleScratch (Jan. 23, 2016 18:04:45)

NoMod-Programming

Anyway to use it without having nuscratch, or can you download nuscratch for this? Or is this for the raspberry pi only?

What OS do you need it for? I have a Windows build and a Mac build available (and I haven't tested the linux build)

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helloandgoodbye9

Mac or windows, please. I would perfer mac but both will work.

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Boxycloud

Amazing

helloandgoodbye9

BTW on the reference tag on the scratch wik mod list, do you want it to link to this discussion form or to the website?

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SimpleScratch

@no-mod
Just checking that all going well at your end

Simon

NoMod-Test

@SimpleScratch, everything is going fine! I'm waiting for @timrowledge to get back to me on whether I can get an official NuScratch source to work with.

@helloandgoodbye9, sorry for the late reply, but here's a download: http://whiskers.gwiddle.co.uk/package.zip

EDIT: It's for all OS's
EDIT 2: CHANGED URL

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