Whiskers: Scratch 2.0 for Incompatible Devices

Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
Ethan_1 wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
Does sharing projects made in Whiskers violate the TOS?
Yes.
You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
Troll workaround: open the Whiskers project in the offline editor, then share it from there

The project was still created in Whiskers though!
Troll workaround: make a Scratch 1.4 project (possibly empty) and edit it in Whiskers, then share it however

Not yet a Knight of the Mu Calculus.

Jonathan50

NoMod-Programming wrote:
helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Quick question - Does or will this work with BYOB3?
Probably not, as this is meant to be compatible with Scratch 2, not BYOB. Maybe a generous soul will make a BYOB to Scratch 2 converter somehow, though.

http://djdolphin.github.io/Snapin8r2/
(but that's the other way round) It can't do Snap -> Scratch, though.

Last edited by Jonathan50 (Jan. 15, 2016 07:44:04)

Not yet a Knight of the Mu Calculus.

NoMod-Programming

Jonathan50 wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
Ethan_1 wrote:
Jonathan50 wrote:
Does sharing projects made in Whiskers violate the TOS?
Yes.
You may only submit user-generated projects that were created with (1) the Scratch website editor or (2) an unmodified copy of the Scratch editor compiled from the source code described in Section 5.3. You may not upload any projects that were created, by you or by anyone else, with a modified version of the Scratch editor.
Troll workaround: open the Whiskers project in the offline editor, then share it from there
The project was still created in Whiskers though!
Troll workaround: make a Scratch 1.4 project (possibly empty) and edit it in Whiskers, then share it however

Or make a blank 2.0 project with no vector graphics and load it into Whiskers

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67

-Io-

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Quick question - Does or will this work with BYOB3?

Probably not since BYOB does not save in the same format as Scratch 2.

SimpleScratch

Again, on my windoze computer, doing that gives me a “Squeak! Select an image file” prompt, which might look scary to new users.

Try this as shortcut and see if it works on your WinDoze
It does on mine (and should on all)
“C:\Program Files (x86)\Scratch\Scratch.exe” Whiskers.image

Its always distribution that causes the most grief in any software project

PS
These are my instructions for installing on a Pi

http://simplesi.net/whiskers-scratch2-coded-in-squeak-works-on-pi/

SimpleScratch

BYOB3 works on all major platforms and in some respects (global custom blocks) is better than Scratch 2 but in others (very tricky to use cloning) its not

But it does work

I've been running it on a Pi for 2 years

This is my installer
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=62781&p=764158&hilit=byob#p503683

To keep this thread clear for Whiskers - can I suggest talking about BYOB3 elsewhere (i.e https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/87434/)

Last edited by SimpleScratch (Jan. 15, 2016 20:28:43)

19f8361

i got the error when i opened the backpack:

any way to fix it?
full image:

Last edited by 19f8361 (Jan. 16, 2016 04:32:36)

helloandgoodbye9

Thank you for the VERY clear answer. :-) Since none if this made since, as in conflicted with eachother, I tested it myself and found it didnt work :-)

NoMod-Programming wrote:
helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Quick question - Does or will this work with BYOB3?
Probably not, as this is meant to be compatible with Scratch 2, not BYOB. Maybe a generous soul will make a BYOB to Scratch 2 converter somehow, though.

It is another scratch modification, which I learned cannot be used together

Jonathan50 wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Quick question - Does or will this work with BYOB3?
Probably not, as this is meant to be compatible with Scratch 2, not BYOB. Maybe a generous soul will make a BYOB to Scratch 2 converter somehow, though.
http://djdolphin.github.io/Snapin8r2/
(but that's the other way round) It can't do Snap -> Scratch, though.

I know about that, and that doesnt help. You are confusing BYOB3 with Snap!. BYOB3 is a scratch modification, and Snap! is a scratch alternative.

SimpleScratch wrote:
BYOB3 works on all major platforms and in some respects (global custom blocks) is better than Scratch 2 but in others (very tricky to use cloning) its not

But it does work

I've been running it on a Pi for 2 years

This is my installer
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=62781&p=764158&hilit=byob#p503683

To keep this thread clear for Whiskers - can I suggest talking about BYOB3 elsewhere (i.e https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/87434/)

First, I could not get it to work with Whiskers. Please show me how. Secondly, as this is about Whiskers compatibility, so I can post here about it. Also, the fourm link is broken. :-)

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helloandgoodbye9

Also, this has the for i in # block. WHy?

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SimpleScratch

Also, the fourm link is broken. :-)

Try this
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/87434/

I think you are asking if Whiskers will load BYOB files - it will not - they are incompatible
Simon

helloandgoodbye9

SimpleScratch wrote:
Also, the fourm link is broken. :-)
Try this
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/87434/

I think you are asking if Whiskers will load BYOB files - it will not - they are incompatible
Simon

Wow :-) Did you even fully read my above post? I did NOT ask that, and I asked if these 2 scratch mods can be used together, which I found out cant.

EDIT: The link was made by you. :-)

Last edited by helloandgoodbye9 (Jan. 19, 2016 16:13:31)

Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 25:61:61) ͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪ ͣͣͣͣ ͯͯͯͯYes, its above the line)

SimpleScratch

I (and I think others) are trying to work out what you mean by working together.
Do you simply mean running at the same time?
I'm simply trying to help find out your problem and try and fix it if possible

Simon

helloandgoodbye9

Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.

Last edited by kaj (Tomorrow 25:61:61) ͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪͪ ͣͣͣͣ ͯͯͯͯYes, its above the line)

NoMod-Programming

helloandgoodbye9 wrote:
Sorry. Like I said above, I already solved my problem. And yes, I mean running it at the same time. However, as they both change the scratch image, I found out it is impossible.

I might add the functionality to convert BYOB to Whiskers. It might be interesting.

AND UPDATE: I have been hard at work trying to fix a recursive blocks bug.

2nd UPDATE: I have big plans for the future. It will not only require a new *.image file, but a bit more! And it will be ~10x faster!

Last edited by NoMod-Programming (Jan. 20, 2016 13:44:04)

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67

NoMod-Programming

fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this

Last edited by NoMod-Programming (Jan. 21, 2016 05:05:21)

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67

-Io-

NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this

hehehehe NuScratch

NoMod-Programming

-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch

Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67

infinitytec

NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!

YES!

Not here much, but sometimes I lurk.
God has a plan. He has a plan for everything, and everyone.

NoMod-Programming

infinitytec wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!
YES!

Yeah! Once I get the project loading to work (I need to import the custom blocks), I'll give a gamma (Can I use that in a sentence?)

Long-since moved on from Scratch, if you need to find all my posts, search this in google: 3499447a51c01fc4dc1e8c3b8182b41cb0e88c67

-Io-

NoMod-Programming wrote:
infinitytec wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
-Io- wrote:
NoMod-Programming wrote:
fist-BUMP

EDIT: Just a small update on development, Whiskers will be going into Gamma after the next release. I have been hard at work and have a surprise ready, that involves the romanian word for “not”, and the albanian word “gërvishtje”. Hopefully you have a good idea of what I am doing after you translate this
hehehehe NuScratch
Yup! I have everything ported *expect* for the custom blocks. Then I got bug hunting!!!
YES!
Yeah! Once I get the project loading to work (I need to import the custom blocks), I'll give a gamma (Can I use that in a sentence?)

lol i think so

I don't know why am i excited for this even though i don't use any Pi device, it's just such a cool project

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