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majorconnor10
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

Please read all of this before closing it, or commenting. Think about it deep.

As all of you may know, FNAF was censored by the Scratch Team for being “too scary.” Many scratchers, such as I, are upset with this censorship. I will state huge flaws in this arguement. “Which aspects of the games can be considered inappropriate according to the Scratch Community Guidelines? 1) Graphic content: Many projects contain disturbing imagery that can be seen as too intense for Scratch.” Too intense? The only gore is in the end screen of FNAF with 2 bloodshot eyes popping out of a costume. There is no blood, and the only violence is animatronics jumpscaring you, it doesn't show them killing you, it just has them moving their heads around in front of you before it goes static. There is not much graphic content in FNAF. “2) Backstory: The plot of Five Nights at Freddy's is rooted in murder and kidnapping.” This is your strongest point of arguement, and this, if taken out, doesn't make FNAF inappropriate. I think that a rule should be implemented. No original FNAF phone calls. That basically is the only bad part of FNAF for little kids, the phone calls. “3) Jumpscares: Frightening images abruptly flash on the screen.” They might be unexpected, but people wouldn't make it that far if they didn't want to play the game. Who goes into Scratch and clicks on FNAF not to play it? The jumpscares aren't very scary, only because they are unexpected and have loud noises. If people want to not get jumpscared, DONT PLAY FNAF! “A number of community members feel uncomfortable browsing Scratch because of this type of content.” All they have to do is not click on FNAF. “May contain minimal cartoon(”Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters“ to a minimal level, like a 2 second jumpscare), fantasy (”Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life“ FNAF uses non-human characters involving mildly violent actions) or mild violence (”Scenes involving aggressive conflict“ to a mild level, like the jumpscares that resemble conflict but don't show conflict) and/or infrequent use of mild language(”Mild to moderate use of profanity" FNAF doesn't even use profanity). This is definitely what the game would be like without the calls, that is the rating E for everyone on ERSB. Now that I have told you it is not a very inappropriate game, I suggest rules like no phone calls or no very violent scenes in parodies of the game. Most of the above go for FNAF 2 and 3 too, like the jumpscares. For your standards, though, FNAF 4 should not be allowed, except for a parody that isn't very violent. Here's what you could do. 1. Let the projects be uncensored. 2. Warn the scratchers who have projects containing the original calls storyline. 3. Unshare the projects that contain the plotline behind FNAF. This will make all of the scratchers who liked FNAF happy. If it is scary to some people, they shouldn't play it, not come to complain to the scratch team and take away people's hard worked projects.Thank you for taking your time to read this topic. -majorconnor10

Last edited by majorconnor10 (Nov. 19, 2015 04:06:16)

Zro716
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

Look, you're missing a huge huge reason it was censored: the schools were blocking Scratch because FNAF content was blocked too.

And it wasn't just because of projects. Users and studios have disturbing images, that flash right up in your face when you don't expect it. And no, you can't avoid it. You can't stop users from adding your projects to FNAF studios when they have nothing to do with the content. You can't stop FNAF-themed users from commenting. You can't avoid noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.

The ST has spent a looooong time thinking (and rethinking) their stance on FNAF. They made it clear that some content, such as jumpscares, graphic images and disturbing backstory have no place on Scratch, and have no exemption from the rules. Just because it made a huge fandom mad doesn't mean the ST will overturn their decision. They even said they expected users to express discontent. They did however note that not all FNAF content is gone, a statement that 99% of the reaction seemed to have ignored.
majorconnor10
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

Zro716 wrote:

Look, you're missing a huge huge reason it was censored: the schools were blocking Scratch because FNAF content was blocked too.

And it wasn't just because of projects. Users and studios have disturbing images, that flash right up in your face when you don't expect it. And no, you can't avoid it. You can't stop users from adding your projects to FNAF studios when they have nothing to do with the content. You can't stop FNAF-themed users from commenting. You can't avoid noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.

The ST has spent a looooong time thinking (and rethinking) their stance on FNAF. They made it clear that some content, such as jumpscares, graphic images and disturbing backstory have no place on Scratch, and have no exemption from the rules. Just because it made a huge fandom mad doesn't mean the ST will overturn their decision. They even said they expected users to express discontent. They did however note that not all FNAF content is gone, a statement that 99% of the reaction seemed to have ignored.
You can't stop users and studios from getting disturbing images. And “noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.” isn't a reason they blocked it, its not like you can't ignore FNAF games. And jumpscares in FNAF aren't very bad, its does not even have gore. The main reason they blocked it is because it is “inappropriate.”
“Which aspects of the games can be considered inappropriate according to the Scratch Community Guidelines? 1) Graphic content: Many projects contain disturbing imagery that can be seen as too intense for Scratch. 2) Backstory: The plot of Five Nights at Freddy's is rooted in murder and kidnapping. 3) Jumpscares: Frightening images abruptly flash on the screen.”
Econinja
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

majorconnor10 wrote:

And jumpscares in FNAF aren't very bad, its does not even have gore. The main reason they blocked it is because it is “inappropriate.”
“Which aspects of the games can be considered inappropriate according to the Scratch Community Guidelines? 1) Graphic content: Many projects contain disturbing imagery that can be seen as too intense for Scratch. 2) Backstory: The plot of Five Nights at Freddy's is rooted in murder and kidnapping. 3) Jumpscares: Frightening images abruptly flash on the screen.”
Let me requote the last one:
Frightening images abruptly flash on the screen
Frightening and causing nightmares is what Speak said.
Also, it's semi-banned. Things that don't include the 3 are perfectly fine to share.
Cream_E_Cookie
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

Zro716 wrote:

Look, you're missing a huge huge reason it was censored: the schools were blocking Scratch because FNAF content was blocked too.

And it wasn't just because of projects. Users and studios have disturbing images, that flash right up in your face when you don't expect it. And no, you can't avoid it. You can't stop users from adding your projects to FNAF studios when they have nothing to do with the content. You can't stop FNAF-themed users from commenting. You can't avoid noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.

The ST has spent a looooong time thinking (and rethinking) their stance on FNAF. They made it clear that some content, such as jumpscares, graphic images and disturbing backstory have no place on Scratch, and have no exemption from the rules. Just because it made a huge fandom mad doesn't mean the ST will overturn their decision. They even said they expected users to express discontent. They did however note that not all FNAF content is gone, a statement that 99% of the reaction seemed to have ignored.
Exactly what i was going to say

majorconnor10 wrote:

1. Let the projects be uncensored. 2. Warn the scratchers who have projects containing the original calls storyline. 3. Unshare the projects that contain the plotline behind FNAF. This will make all of the scratchers who liked FNAF happy. If it is scary to some people, they shouldn't play it, not come to complain to the scratch team and take away people's hard worked projects.Thank you for taking your time to read this topic. -majorconnor10
1. NO! Fnaf is actually annoying
2. Warning's are rejected, as per the announcment topic
3. The ST actually did unshare it, not DELETE it.

Sonickyle
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

FNAF in its state just isn't appropriate for a website that has at least 4 year olds on it.
DrKat123
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

It's not permabanned. It's just semi-banned.
scratchinghead
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

DrKat123 wrote:

It's not permabanned. It's just semi-banned.
^^^
carsracer
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

majorconnor10 wrote:

Zro716 wrote:

Look, you're missing a huge huge reason it was censored: the schools were blocking Scratch because FNAF content was blocked too.

And it wasn't just because of projects. Users and studios have disturbing images, that flash right up in your face when you don't expect it. And no, you can't avoid it. You can't stop users from adding your projects to FNAF studios when they have nothing to do with the content. You can't stop FNAF-themed users from commenting. You can't avoid noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.

The ST has spent a looooong time thinking (and rethinking) their stance on FNAF. They made it clear that some content, such as jumpscares, graphic images and disturbing backstory have no place on Scratch, and have no exemption from the rules. Just because it made a huge fandom mad doesn't mean the ST will overturn their decision. They even said they expected users to express discontent. They did however note that not all FNAF content is gone, a statement that 99% of the reaction seemed to have ignored.
You can't stop users and studios from getting disturbing images. And “noticing FNAF projects when just browsing for other projects.” isn't a reason they blocked it, its not like you can't ignore FNAF games. And jumpscares in FNAF aren't very bad, its does not even have gore. The main reason they blocked it is because it is “inappropriate.”
“Which aspects of the games can be considered inappropriate according to the Scratch Community Guidelines? 1) Graphic content: Many projects contain disturbing imagery that can be seen as too intense for Scratch. 2) Backstory: The plot of Five Nights at Freddy's is rooted in murder and kidnapping. 3) Jumpscares: Frightening images abruptly flash on the screen.”
Well you can't ignore FNAF because just the thumbnails I find scary and you can't ignore those. And well done to @Zro716 you've said everything right.
MegaApuTurkUltra
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

It's the same sort of logic that the ST used to ban a certain mlg-related word. Even though the usage of both the word and fnaf on Scratch may be OK, they both are still rooted in something that's unsafe for Scratch.

Graphic content
I've never seen fnaf projects but I'll assume what you're saying is correct. I really don't see a reason why anyone would put violence on Scratch.

Backstory
That's not the point. Kids are bound to look up fnaf and see the story for themselves, just like they are bound to look up the certain mlg word and see that it used to be used in a drug-related context.
Besides that, I'll assume that many kids find the animatronics themselves frightening. And as Zro said, gifs of those were everywhere on Scratch, unavoidable.

Jumpscares
Again, you miss the point. Avatars, signatures, and studio icons user to have gifs of jumpscares, and those might be frightening for young children.


Here's what might work better as a compromise:
Ban all images of fnaf characters, scenes, fanarts, etc from all avatars, signatures, forum posts, studio icons, and project thumbnails. Also, mark all fnaf projects that were previously unshared as NFE.
This should make fnaf easily avoidable but still allowed.
DaSpudLord
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

MegaApuTurkUltra wrote:

It's the same sort of logic that the ST used to ban a certain mlg-related word. Even though the usage of both the word and fnaf on Scratch may be OK, they both are still rooted in something that's unsafe for Scratch.

Graphic content
I've never seen fnaf projects but I'll assume what you're saying is correct. I really don't see a reason why anyone would put violence on Scratch.

Backstory
That's not the point. Kids are bound to look up fnaf and see the story for themselves, just like they are bound to look up the certain mlg word and see that it used to be used in a drug-related context.
Besides that, I'll assume that many kids find the animatronics themselves frightening. And as Zro said, gifs of those were everywhere on Scratch, unavoidable.

Jumpscares
Again, you miss the point. Avatars, signatures, and studio icons user to have gifs of jumpscares, and those might be frightening for young children.


Here's what might work better as a compromise:
Ban all images of fnaf characters, scenes, fanarts, etc from all avatars, signatures, forum posts, studio icons, and project thumbnails. Also, mark all fnaf projects that were previously unshared as NFE.
This should make fnaf easily avoidable but still allowed.
I agree with this.
TheAwesomeMaster
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

According to others, it is semi-banned. In the announcement it said they will be deleting things that are way too scary.

If you make a project about FNAF without any of those jumpscares, the backstory, and other scary stuff, it will probably be allowed. FNAF projects are just like any other projects: they must follow the Scratch Community Guidelines.

Last edited by TheAwesomeMaster (Nov. 19, 2015 20:13:08)

Arthurtilly
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FNAF COMPROMISE - SCRATCH TEAM READ THIS

Also, all FNAF projects were ALWAYS NFE.

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