Flamekebab wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

On this point I both agree and disagree. In theory a unified design process gives better results but when it's MS at the helm I'm very, very cagey about getting on board. They don't exactly have much of a track record of supporting hardware!

Personally I don't want to buy into a product that can't be relied on to have a living ecosystem in a couple of years. MS have pulled the plug on more developments than I care to remember. It's no surprise they're still single after all this time given their commitment issues XD

This is also the reason I'm starting to get cold feet about Google. There was a time where experimental projects they launched could be relied on to stick around for the long haul. These days I don't want to jump in with both feet in case the rug is pulled from under me. Google Buzz came and went, Google Wave rocked but was swiftly euthanised, Google Reader got the chop recently, etc..

At the moment I mostly want a tablet running Ubuntu on ARM hardware.

I wish Google would Open-Source its abandonware. Someone else surely would pick up Google Reader and some of its other products if Google let them.

16Skittles wrote:

I wish Google would Open-Source its abandonware. Someone else surely would pick up Google Reader and some of its other products if Google let them.

Assorted companies seem to have done their best to pick up the pieces with regards to Google Reader. For me the fact that Rizzoma resurrected Wave is a big deal.

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

ChadtheBuilder wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

I still don't see why people hate it on desktop so much. I use it on desktop and I see no real reason that it's inferior to Windows 7. Especially that boot time.

16Skittles wrote:

ChadtheBuilder wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

I still don't see why people hate it on desktop so much. I use it on desktop and I see no real reason that it's inferior to Windows 7. Especially that boot time.

I agree the boot time is great, but I think the metro interface wastes screen space. I have no problem with desktop apps (except having to go to metro to launch them), but metro apps on a full HD 21" screen for example, doesn't make sense. One app at a time (or 2, if you use snap), was meant for tablets and mobile devices, not desktops with mice and huge screens.

Funny thing is though, a lot of tablets and even phones now have full hd or larger resolutions.

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

ChadtheBuilder wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

I still don't see why people hate it on desktop so much. I use it on desktop and I see no real reason that it's inferior to Windows 7. Especially that boot time.

I agree the boot time is great, but I think the metro interface wastes screen space. I have no problem with desktop apps (except having to go to metro to launch them), but metro apps on a full HD 21" screen for example, doesn't make sense. One app at a time (or 2, if you use snap), was meant for tablets and mobile devices, not desktops with mice and huge screens.

Funny thing is though, a lot of tablets and even phones now have full hd or larger resolutions.

I don't use that many metro apps. All of the programs I use regularly are standard desktop apps, and then the metro start interface doesn't get in my way. Having metro apps be the reason you criticize Windows 8 on a desktop is like not buying the new iPhone because you CAN download the Facebook app. Sure, maybe you don't want it, but you don't have to use it either.

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

ChadtheBuilder wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

I still don't see why people hate it on desktop so much. I use it on desktop and I see no real reason that it's inferior to Windows 7. Especially that boot time.

I agree the boot time is great, but I think the metro interface wastes screen space. I have no problem with desktop apps (except having to go to metro to launch them), but metro apps on a full HD 21" screen for example, doesn't make sense. One app at a time (or 2, if you use snap), was meant for tablets and mobile devices, not desktops with mice and huge screens.

Funny thing is though, a lot of tablets and even phones now have full hd or larger resolutions.

I don't use that many metro apps. All of the programs I use regularly are standard desktop apps, and then the metro start interface doesn't get in my way. Having metro apps be the reason you criticize Windows 8 on a desktop is like not buying the new iPhone because you CAN download the Facebook app. Sure, maybe you don't want it, but you don't have to use it either.

I still have to go to it when I want to launch a desktop app though. Sure I can pin them all to my taskbar or put shortcuts on the desktop but that's bad practice (last time I checked it was anyway.)

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

ChadtheBuilder wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Why not? The Surface is actually a good tablet, not like the ones made by like Samsung and others. Well they're good, but they'll never be as good as the ones designed by the company who made the OS. Hence the high performance of Nexus 7 and iPad.

Windows 8 is actually very nice on tablets, and very bad on desktop. Samsung actually makes some pretty nice Windows 8 tablets that have better hardware than the Surface tablet does (of course it costs more).

I still don't see why people hate it on desktop so much. I use it on desktop and I see no real reason that it's inferior to Windows 7. Especially that boot time.

I agree the boot time is great, but I think the metro interface wastes screen space. I have no problem with desktop apps (except having to go to metro to launch them), but metro apps on a full HD 21" screen for example, doesn't make sense. One app at a time (or 2, if you use snap), was meant for tablets and mobile devices, not desktops with mice and huge screens.

Funny thing is though, a lot of tablets and even phones now have full hd or larger resolutions.

I don't use that many metro apps. All of the programs I use regularly are standard desktop apps, and then the metro start interface doesn't get in my way. Having metro apps be the reason you criticize Windows 8 on a desktop is like not buying the new iPhone because you CAN download the Facebook app. Sure, maybe you don't want it, but you don't have to use it either.

I still have to go to it when I want to launch a desktop app though. Sure I can pin them all to my taskbar or put shortcuts on the desktop but that's bad practice (last time I checked it was anyway.)

Is that really so bad? When I go to the start menu I do it for one purpose: to open an app. In Windows 7, the start menu closes if you try to interact with anything outside of the menu. I find Metro to be better in some ways because I know where everything is and I don't have to go through folders and stuff to find the app I want to run.

Flamekebab wrote:

Microsoft are still trying to make Windows tablets happen? Really?

Look at em now

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

Doesn't the Surface Pro have a lamentable battery life as well?

My understanding is that it is decent for a laptop-type device, but not so great compared with ARM tablets like an iPad. Thats one of the reasons I suggested holding off.

The Surface Pro 4 is 50% faster than the MacBook Air.
I find that impressive because the Surface Pro 4 is not a full laptop