yes, this part of evolution I believe to be true. But what about that part of evolution when life first appeared on Earth? Each time I hear about it, it sounds like a bunch of impossible lucky chances...
That's not part of evolution. Thats an entirely different theroy - abiogenisis. That said - lucky chances, however unlikey, are still chances. And in a universe this big, over a periods of almost 14 Billion years, the chances of something improbable happening become much, much higher.
they don't share a common ancestor they have always been what they are a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog they are both animals but they are different animals. why else do you see a dog chase a cat if they where the same they would get along better. right?!
That's an argument so poor it beggars belief. different types of large cat fight and kill each other for a whole variety of reasons, why do you imagine being of common ancestry would make 2 competing predators suddenly get along?
And speciation due to these changes is literally a matter of time. Lots and lots of time. It has been observed and recorded in animals/plants with a short generational cycle. Dogs are dogs now, and cats are cats, but they share a common ancestor that was neither.
Natural selection is just one part of evolution, though, not the entirity of the theory. And whilst hair colour and height were simplistic examples, new traits can and do develop via mutation.
natual selection ELiminates information by "choosing" the "best." so all of the long beaked finches will die out...but the short beaked ones will survive............they are still finches.
Also take for example, dog breeding. The first dog was a huge conglomeration of DOG traites(shaggy fur, brown eyes, etc.) as ppl bread them some of those traits where eliminated. So, now we have a black lab. On it goes, but through all that change, It is still a dog.
ITS NOT THAT IM AGAINST EITHER ONE!!!!! ITS JUST THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE ONLY BELIEFS FOR NOW!!!!!! IT MIGHT TAKE CENTURIES TO FIGURE OUT THE FACTS PPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Evolution is a known, provable fact. Next time you have a bacterial infection, you had better hope your doctor knows this, otherwise he might prescribe you antibiotics that are no longer effective due to bacterial evolution.
The question of "does evolution happen" is not up for debate - it does happen, and denying it is as fruitless as denying that the earth orbits the sun. The valid question is "How does Evolution happen." The theory of evolution addresses all the evidence and observations that have been made, and there is no competing theory that has an ounce of scientific credibility. Unless you have such a theory, it is inaccurate to say that the theory of evolution is "only a belief".
GUYS STOP ARGUING!!!!!!!!! EVEN SCIENTISTS, HISTORIANS, AND ARCHAEOLOGISTS DONT KNOW THE ANSWER YET SO STOP ARGUING!!!!! WE DONT KNOW THE ANSWER YET AND ITS STUPID TO ARGUE OVER SOMETHING THA TEVEN HISTORIANS CANT FIGURE OUT!!
Well, you know what? This whole debate is pointless. I will never be able to convince you of my beliefs. However, when you die and see Him for yourself, you'll wish you listened to me.
'NOOOO! This never happened! God created life!' does NOT qualify as debate, and why should we listen to your ranting when the vast majority of christians have no difficulty in accepting both Jesus AND Evolution? It is you who are outside the fold, rejecting the intelligence that god has given you in favour of mindless dogma - idolising the words of men instead of the wonders of god.
Play: If you believe in the Christian theory, you don't have to look at evolution projects, some people believe different things than others (although right now the evolution theory is winning).
I'm not exactly sure why, but like this kind of project. Also, I would like to say that I don't quite understand why someone wouldn't believe in evolution. To me, evolution is just the force of logic working. And since we live in, as far as we know, a basically logical world, it follows that if life as we know it exists, then evolution must also exist.
Hey mayhem, I made a more lecture like Evolution Explanation. Please note that the explanation is not complex and is aimed at people with NO prior evolutionary knowledge whatsoever. http://scratch.mit.edu/users/Linux123
I thought it was primarily something used in *very* advanced mathematics. I have heard they have applications in superstring theory, which in turn is to do with quantum field theory, which I thought was more to do with how the universe works than how it came into being, although if QFT can describe how the universe works it would, I suppose, by definition have an explanation for the mechanics behind creation.
Oh, well it's actually Calibi-Yau manifold, it's definitely not evolution, but it has something to do with the creation of the universe. Just so you know.
Excellent. In the absence of any substance to your arguments you fall back on personal attacks. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Bear in mind that I have repeatedly said in these various comments that I see no barrier to believing in both science AND god, and that is a view shared by the majority of christians. It is Beandude202 who began to attack science, unfortunately being drawn in by other peoples falsehood which he began to spread. You and he can believe anything you wish, and post as many pro-christian projects as you wish, and I will not comment - but when you cross the line from pro-christian into anti-science, and do so by repeating provably false and misleading information, I WILL stand up and point out your falsehood, because even (as I suspect, in many cases) if you don't know you are spreading lies, those lies need to be stopped.
Look Mayhem we can keep on debating but I find it pointless because you don't want to believe me unless I can show to you proof by some scientist. All I can say is one day you will see for yourself that I have told the truth. Also it seems to me you care way to much about your image and popularity. You seem to want to be look at as some one wqho is smart but cool but you tend to have a ego. Me I could careless about image popularity, and living the americain dream. I know my purpose and that is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.Image, popularity, and living the Americain dream are all meaningless and pointless.
Evolution is quite literally a fact. An observed, recorded, documented scientific fact. The continous development of creatures due to the impact of their environment has been observed many, many times both in the field and in the laboratory. The part of evolution that is "only a theory" is the process by which it happens, but observations of evolution actually happening are in accordance with predictions made by the Theory, and the theory has so far resisted any attempt to disprove it. Even if the theory regarding the process were proved incorrect, it would not stop the fact it happens from being an observed FACT, it would only mean that our understanding of how it happens was erroneous. I repeat: Evolution = fact. Process by which it takes place = theory.
AS for being "just another type of animal" - if only. Animals don't generally start wars, nor has it been necessary to set up charities to protect animals from the cruelty of other animals.
You have some scientific evidence that people used to live longer? No, thought not. Because in all of recorded history, lifespans have been increasing. Medieval man was lucky to reach 50. Not that that has anything to do with evolution as opposed to advances in hygeine, nutrition and medicine. Vis your numbered points: 1) Animals have free will. 2) Until you can point to something and say "That's the soul" you can neither proove we have one nor can you prove that animals don't. 3) Animals can choose between right and wrong (my cats, for example, know they are not allowed onteh worktops and so don't jump up on them - unless they think we are not watching...)
According to what your saying you think people are just another type of animal. If not then what makes us different from other animals? Also explain why people lived so much longer then they do today? Because as far as I know people use to live a lot longer back then. People now a days in some places are dying before they are even 50-60 years old but yet medicine has improved but people are dying earlier. Just goes to show evolution is wrong with thinking that things are getting better when really things are slowly getting worse. People traits can be very different each of us have different talents and are made special by God no one is like you and no one is like me so just goes to prove again people are different from animals and here are three reasons. 1. We can think and process things and make decisions in other words free will. 2. We have a soul. 3. We can choose between right and wrong. Animals have none of these abilities all they can do is what God allows them to do and are limited on what they can learn over time.
Jesus-Freak, you have to realize that evolution is a proven fact. everything in science is real. but, I believe that God created the universe eons ago. Science couldn't have just made itself. And the first life on earth was made when lightning struck mud and created a cell. God cast down that thunderbolt. I think some people dont believe in God because God created science so complex. God never preforms miracles manually, every miracle has a scientific explanation. such as the burning bush could have just been a chain reaction of molecules, but God put those molecules together to start the fire. science is just one big sustem created by God make the universe run by itself and help it stay in order, because it wouldn't seem right if God just miracled everything. Get what i'm saying?
This is, of course, true. But it is the explanation that best fits the facts. In order to come up with a better theory, a new theory would not also have to fit the facts, but would also have to explain why the former theory also appeared to fit them. Unless you have a such a theory, yu have no standing when you try to argue that evolution is wrong.
Lol - There are so many things wrong with that statement its hard to know where to start. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1) Many animals that were around millions of years agao are still around (sharks and crocodiles spring to mind) 2) We are descended from grandparents, are they extinct too? 3) We are not descended from the modern apes we know - modern apes and us share a common, distant ancestor. 4) Modern apes are just as evolved as we are - to assume that the prupose of evolution is to promote intelligence is typical humanocentric arrogance. The purpose of evolution (if it can be said to have one) is to promote survival, not intelligence - and there are many, many creatures that can routinely survive where we humans cannot.
Lol - There are so many things wrong with that statement its hard to know where to start. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1) Many animals that were around millions of years agao are still around (sharks and crocodiles spring to mind) 2) We are descended from grandparents, are they extinct too? 3) We are not descended from the modern apes we know - modern apes and us share a common, distant ancestor. 4) Modern apes are just as evolved as we are - to assume that the prupose of evolution is to promote intelligence is typical humanocentric arrogance. The purpose of evolution (if it can be said to have one) is to promote survival, not intelligence - and there are many, many creatures that can routinely survive where we humans cannot.
I agree paddles, but the purpose of that example was to put the idea of non-inherited variation into terms as child-friendly as possible - something they may have seen for themselves. Though I'm open to suggestion ;)
Good job! However...there is room for improvement. I feel that your example for mutation of a child being taller than mum and dad is weak. Nutrition and environment can cause height variation probably as much as genetics (as I understand it). Also, there is a typo on the second Selection screen: "that that same useful trait". A few more edits and this will evolve into a great learning tool!
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yes, this part of evolution I believe to be true. But what about that part of evolution when life first appeared on Earth? Each time I hear about it, it sounds like a bunch of impossible lucky chances...
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That's not part of evolution. Thats an entirely different theroy - abiogenisis. That said - lucky chances, however unlikey, are still chances. And in a universe this big, over a periods of almost 14 Billion years, the chances of something improbable happening become much, much higher.
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hmm, true
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they don't share a common ancestor they have always been what they are a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog they are both animals but they are different animals. why else do you see a dog chase a cat if they where the same they would get along better. right?!
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That's an argument so poor it beggars belief. different types of large cat fight and kill each other for a whole variety of reasons, why do you imagine being of common ancestry would make 2 competing predators suddenly get along?
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And speciation due to these changes is literally a matter of time. Lots and lots of time. It has been observed and recorded in animals/plants with a short generational cycle. Dogs are dogs now, and cats are cats, but they share a common ancestor that was neither.
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Natural selection is just one part of evolution, though, not the entirity of the theory. And whilst hair colour and height were simplistic examples, new traits can and do develop via mutation.
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not new triats. Promonent traits. They where there but where not seen in the parents.
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*natural
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natual selection ELiminates information by "choosing" the "best." so all of the long beaked finches will die out...but the short beaked ones will survive............they are still finches. Also take for example, dog breeding. The first dog was a huge conglomeration of DOG traites(shaggy fur, brown eyes, etc.) as ppl bread them some of those traits where eliminated. So, now we have a black lab. On it goes, but through all that change, It is still a dog.
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In the lab. scientists have bred fruit-flies that can breed with each other, but not with other fruit flies. They are no longer the same species.
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yes...but taller or diffent colour of hair comes from recesive/domanant/dormant domonant genes. NOT errors.
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ITS NOT THAT IM AGAINST EITHER ONE!!!!! ITS JUST THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE ONLY BELIEFS FOR NOW!!!!!! IT MIGHT TAKE CENTURIES TO FIGURE OUT THE FACTS PPL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Evolution is a known, provable fact. Next time you have a bacterial infection, you had better hope your doctor knows this, otherwise he might prescribe you antibiotics that are no longer effective due to bacterial evolution.
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The question of "does evolution happen" is not up for debate - it does happen, and denying it is as fruitless as denying that the earth orbits the sun. The valid question is "How does Evolution happen." The theory of evolution addresses all the evidence and observations that have been made, and there is no competing theory that has an ounce of scientific credibility. Unless you have such a theory, it is inaccurate to say that the theory of evolution is "only a belief".
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GUYS STOP ARGUING!!!!!!!!! EVEN SCIENTISTS, HISTORIANS, AND ARCHAEOLOGISTS DONT KNOW THE ANSWER YET SO STOP ARGUING!!!!! WE DONT KNOW THE ANSWER YET AND ITS STUPID TO ARGUE OVER SOMETHING THA TEVEN HISTORIANS CANT FIGURE OUT!!
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Well, you know what? This whole debate is pointless. I will never be able to convince you of my beliefs. However, when you die and see Him for yourself, you'll wish you listened to me.
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'NOOOO! This never happened! God created life!' does NOT qualify as debate, and why should we listen to your ranting when the vast majority of christians have no difficulty in accepting both Jesus AND Evolution? It is you who are outside the fold, rejecting the intelligence that god has given you in favour of mindless dogma - idolising the words of men instead of the wonders of god.
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Excellently put Kevgor, I completely agree with you.
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NOOOO! This never happened! God created life!
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Play: If you believe in the Christian theory, you don't have to look at evolution projects, some people believe different things than others (although right now the evolution theory is winning).
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I wasn't trying to, I' trying to 'compromise' while holding my scientific beliefs.
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I'm not exactly sure why, but like this kind of project. Also, I would like to say that I don't quite understand why someone wouldn't believe in evolution. To me, evolution is just the force of logic working. And since we live in, as far as we know, a basically logical world, it follows that if life as we know it exists, then evolution must also exist.
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Excellently put Kevgor, a completely agree with you.
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Only if you are interested in learninng about evolution. If you would rather remian uneducated in this field, then don't bother ;)
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Do you really want me to read that?
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Hey mayhem, I made a more lecture like Evolution Explanation. Please note that the explanation is not complex and is aimed at people with NO prior evolutionary knowledge whatsoever. http://scratch.mit.edu/users/Linux123
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An excellent question - I suggest you look up abiogenesis on wikkipedia.
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Where did life come from in the first place.
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I thought it was primarily something used in *very* advanced mathematics. I have heard they have applications in superstring theory, which in turn is to do with quantum field theory, which I thought was more to do with how the universe works than how it came into being, although if QFT can describe how the universe works it would, I suppose, by definition have an explanation for the mechanics behind creation.
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Oh, well it's actually Calibi-Yau manifold, it's definitely not evolution, but it has something to do with the creation of the universe. Just so you know.
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No, I don't really keep up with astrophysics.
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have you heard of the calibi-mau manifold theory of the universe (in astronomy magasine)
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In summary: Post the truth about christianity? Good. Post lies about science? Bad - even if you are not personally aware they are lies.
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Excellent. In the absence of any substance to your arguments you fall back on personal attacks. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Bear in mind that I have repeatedly said in these various comments that I see no barrier to believing in both science AND god, and that is a view shared by the majority of christians. It is Beandude202 who began to attack science, unfortunately being drawn in by other peoples falsehood which he began to spread. You and he can believe anything you wish, and post as many pro-christian projects as you wish, and I will not comment - but when you cross the line from pro-christian into anti-science, and do so by repeating provably false and misleading information, I WILL stand up and point out your falsehood, because even (as I suspect, in many cases) if you don't know you are spreading lies, those lies need to be stopped.
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Look Mayhem we can keep on debating but I find it pointless because you don't want to believe me unless I can show to you proof by some scientist. All I can say is one day you will see for yourself that I have told the truth. Also it seems to me you care way to much about your image and popularity. You seem to want to be look at as some one wqho is smart but cool but you tend to have a ego. Me I could careless about image popularity, and living the americain dream. I know my purpose and that is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.Image, popularity, and living the Americain dream are all meaningless and pointless.
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Evolution is quite literally a fact. An observed, recorded, documented scientific fact. The continous development of creatures due to the impact of their environment has been observed many, many times both in the field and in the laboratory. The part of evolution that is "only a theory" is the process by which it happens, but observations of evolution actually happening are in accordance with predictions made by the Theory, and the theory has so far resisted any attempt to disprove it. Even if the theory regarding the process were proved incorrect, it would not stop the fact it happens from being an observed FACT, it would only mean that our understanding of how it happens was erroneous. I repeat: Evolution = fact. Process by which it takes place = theory.
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AS for being "just another type of animal" - if only. Animals don't generally start wars, nor has it been necessary to set up charities to protect animals from the cruelty of other animals.
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You have some scientific evidence that people used to live longer? No, thought not. Because in all of recorded history, lifespans have been increasing. Medieval man was lucky to reach 50. Not that that has anything to do with evolution as opposed to advances in hygeine, nutrition and medicine. Vis your numbered points: 1) Animals have free will. 2) Until you can point to something and say "That's the soul" you can neither proove we have one nor can you prove that animals don't. 3) Animals can choose between right and wrong (my cats, for example, know they are not allowed onteh worktops and so don't jump up on them - unless they think we are not watching...)
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According to what your saying you think people are just another type of animal. If not then what makes us different from other animals? Also explain why people lived so much longer then they do today? Because as far as I know people use to live a lot longer back then. People now a days in some places are dying before they are even 50-60 years old but yet medicine has improved but people are dying earlier. Just goes to show evolution is wrong with thinking that things are getting better when really things are slowly getting worse. People traits can be very different each of us have different talents and are made special by God no one is like you and no one is like me so just goes to prove again people are different from animals and here are three reasons. 1. We can think and process things and make decisions in other words free will. 2. We have a soul. 3. We can choose between right and wrong. Animals have none of these abilities all they can do is what God allows them to do and are limited on what they can learn over time.
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Jesus-Freak, you have to realize that evolution is a proven fact. everything in science is real. but, I believe that God created the universe eons ago. Science couldn't have just made itself. And the first life on earth was made when lightning struck mud and created a cell. God cast down that thunderbolt. I think some people dont believe in God because God created science so complex. God never preforms miracles manually, every miracle has a scientific explanation. such as the burning bush could have just been a chain reaction of molecules, but God put those molecules together to start the fire. science is just one big sustem created by God make the universe run by itself and help it stay in order, because it wouldn't seem right if God just miracled everything. Get what i'm saying?
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Cool!
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One day, you will have a bacterial infection. You'd better hope that your doctor believes in evolution.
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there is no such thing as evolution
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This is, of course, true. But it is the explanation that best fits the facts. In order to come up with a better theory, a new theory would not also have to fit the facts, but would also have to explain why the former theory also appeared to fit them. Unless you have a such a theory, yu have no standing when you try to argue that evolution is wrong.
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even if evolution is possible, that still doesn't mean it happened.
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Completely? So you actively deny that bacteria can evolve resistance to antibiotics?
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sorry but i compleatly think its impossible for evolution 2 exist. no offence!
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Lol - There are so many things wrong with that statement its hard to know where to start. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1) Many animals that were around millions of years agao are still around (sharks and crocodiles spring to mind) 2) We are descended from grandparents, are they extinct too? 3) We are not descended from the modern apes we know - modern apes and us share a common, distant ancestor. 4) Modern apes are just as evolved as we are - to assume that the prupose of evolution is to promote intelligence is typical humanocentric arrogance. The purpose of evolution (if it can be said to have one) is to promote survival, not intelligence - and there are many, many creatures that can routinely survive where we humans cannot.
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IF we evolved from apes, they would be extinct!
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Lol - There are so many things wrong with that statement its hard to know where to start. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1) Many animals that were around millions of years agao are still around (sharks and crocodiles spring to mind) 2) We are descended from grandparents, are they extinct too? 3) We are not descended from the modern apes we know - modern apes and us share a common, distant ancestor. 4) Modern apes are just as evolved as we are - to assume that the prupose of evolution is to promote intelligence is typical humanocentric arrogance. The purpose of evolution (if it can be said to have one) is to promote survival, not intelligence - and there are many, many creatures that can routinely survive where we humans cannot.
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This sounds credible to me.
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This is a great basic explination of evalution. Please check out this (link to project)
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I agree paddles, but the purpose of that example was to put the idea of non-inherited variation into terms as child-friendly as possible - something they may have seen for themselves. Though I'm open to suggestion ;)
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I still love it, though ;-)
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Good job! However...there is room for improvement. I feel that your example for mutation of a child being taller than mum and dad is weak. Nutrition and environment can cause height variation probably as much as genetics (as I understand it). Also, there is a typo on the second Selection screen: "that that same useful trait". A few more edits and this will evolve into a great learning tool!
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very interesting and helpful project!
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