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Evolution is observable in other things too, mainly something adapting to a changing environment. One example is ironically the Catholic Church. Christianity has changed so much that some Christians now believe in evolution (good for them) even though the original Christians might burn them at the stake for believing in something like that.
Saw this in your thread and decided to take a look. I quite like it, but there's something about the way you explained speciation that just makes me cringe: speciation can occur not just due to geographic separation of species, but also through other methods (such as through mate selection, for example).
True - but I was trying to keep it simple. The alternative traits is not a perfect example either since those shown are generally the ones due to recessive genes rather than actual mutation. In addition, new genetic information can come from absorption of other DNA not just from the combination of mu
"Needing artwork/animation"? ^^ Wow, that seems interesting for me but I guess you don't need it anymore since this thing is 1 1/2 years old. :P
OMG. O.o
Why is it that they teach an unproven theory in public schools?
(view all replies)and Humans who invented the idea of God in judao-christian mythology decided that since god created man in his own image, god must look like them. because humans are special and stuff... so the people who founded the religion sort of, made it so that god was a human. oh, and also a male. because god made man first and woman second, from man's bone. so therefore, woman are subordinate to men. according to the bible, at least...
(view all replies)god is not rational. it is religious. completely the opposite of vulcanistic thought
(view all replies)god made man in his own image, and man returned the favor...
(view all replies)If you try to consider what "makes the most sense" without actually thinking very hard, it is easy to come up with the least thought-intensive, simplist answer for a human to understand, since the neurology of humans' brains primes them for believe in religion, superstition, etc. in short, they aren't vulcans. It is a lot easier for humans to think of things in human terms, at least if they have little experience with science.
(view all replies)Its good, but can it be proved? Im just wondering.
In a scientific sense, *nothing* can be proved. But bear in mind that the actual *process* of evolution is something we have seen happen. We *know* that creatures change over generations to better suit their environment. The only theoretical part is *how* they change. The current evolutionary theory explains all of the different things that we see and can, thus, be taken as the most probable truth.
Great Explanation :)
It's very important that all Scratchers act respectfully towards one another, no matter how their beliefs may be different.
There are WAY to many evolutionists in the world.
(view all replies)If you accept Creationism as literally true, then you are rejecting huge swathes of science: Seismology, Geography, Geography, Vulcanology, Paleantology, astronomy, astrophysics, physics, radiography, Biology, biochemistry, molecular biology, physiology and genetics to name but a few. So, when you come to this project to announce that anyone that isn't a creationist is 'Stupid', 'Brainwashed' and that there are 'Way too many of them' that is, in fact, an attack on science and scientists.
(view all replies)Not really. You have come here for the express purpose of attacking science and scientists. You have called them stupid, and accused them of trying to brainwash people. And yet you are quite happy to use the fruits of science. If every scientist did as you ask - ie, ignored science in favour of religion - civilisation would collapse.
(view all replies)How fortunate for you that whilst blindly ignoring science, scientists will keep on working and improving your quality of life. Somewhat hypocritical of you, don't you think, to decry the scientific method but still reap the rewards?
(view all replies)You appear to be unaware that the majority of Christians have no difficulty in believing in evolution.
(view all replies)I tend to avoid things like this because people can get defensive over the topic.
I was making a joke. I, personally, am Christian and I believe that evolution and the creation are the same. The "seven days" are a mysterious way to express how the big bang created earth. As for the days when the creatures of the sea were created then the creatures of the land is another way to express evolution. People need to learn that science and religion are the same.
Yay! Finally someone who recognizes this fact... (Why do I keep commenting on this project? Controversy is so fascinating)
1: the big bang created the universe not the earth.
Can we not combine religion and science? Can we not simply enjoy life? Can we not just, well, be? Why must we fret over what placed us upon this wonderful world! Shouldn't we just be happy with what we've got? :)
(view all replies)Why should a religious person be offended at this project which does not mention religion?
(view all replies)Well I argue for my beliefs because my beliefs say you'll go to Hell if you don't believe. (Not supposed to offend anyone.) I also belive God says we Christians should tell people about Jesus, the way out so it doesn't happen. That's why I fight for it. Still, I do enjoy enjoying life too. :)
(view all replies)If you mean "requires evidence before changing a viewpoint" then yes, I'm stubborn. Of course, not as stubborn as those (such as anti-evolution creationists) who will not change their viewpoint no matter how much evidence is piled up in front of them.
Well, scientists are generally more than happy to accept that science will never disprove religion. The people making the attacks tend to be the religious.
(view all replies)oh yeah by the way cosmologists and others are figuring out new theories that put the big bang in perspective and many (scientists, not creationists) believe there never was a singularity, just that the universe was compressed to so small it was almost a singularity. some think the observable universe today just was an inflated section of spacetime and is a small piece of a greater multiverse. and the big bang is quite... unrelated to EVOLUTION,
(quite simply I am a Humanist)
they are related only in that the two theories both contradict the story of the creation of the universe as told in the bible.
Sorry Mayhem for not answering to all your commernts, but this is REDICULOUS to find where past comments were. Phew! this page is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!
nice project about evolutionary theory! of course, the theory of evolution is not yet complete (sorry creationists and such anti-evolutionists this doesn't mean I am NOT saying it is wrong), some evolution occurs through cross-species DNA transfer (non-sexually, of course), and cultural evolution (how animals are taught to do things by their parents and pass the tradition down to the next generation of species evolves)
Sorry... i mean not alive
(if not more so)
I am saying god is irrelevent to evolution and real-world science and that natural selection is as firm a theory in Science as the theory of the composition of atoms
maybe... I don't know if I'm saying that, but I know it is true, if anyone at all believes in God it is made up otherwise it isn't made up its merely nonexistant. thats what I'm saying now.
humans are not alive now...
(view all replies)Humans would be alive 5 billon years from now
why?
Eveloution did not uccur.
(view all replies)No it didn't God created the world... In seven days
I've read "The Shack"! It's so AWESOME!
how was he always there he somthing had to create god youre now making up stuff becauseyoure afraid to say i am right
(view all replies)Believing in god involves believing in a being of incredible malice, who creates horrors to inflict on mankind, who created every evil that exists. You can't have god take credit for all the wonders and miracles without also taking credit for all the horrors and disasters.
(view all replies)Nice explaination of evolution. it pretty much just states the basic principles. shows how it isn't like pokemon or whatever. Unfortuanately most of the chatter is wasted on religion here, which is irrelevant to These Principles.
And if you read Genesis ( and the whole Bible for that matter) it's very obvious that Christianity says God made us special, in his image, and are NOT biological leftovers. And I DON'T need statistics to know what the Bible says straight out.
(view all replies)And I don't know where you got your statistics from, Mayhem, but I pretty much only know Christians who take the Bible seriously. That might just be my type of church and area but who knows? And
(view all replies)Um, did you just say we were like UFO hunters? I wouldn't use UFO's as proof of God...
(view all replies)Since it contradicts Christianity (badly) I'd expect stuff like this to come up.
(view all replies)matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Lavoisier proved that. how will you disprove that now
(view all replies)To Nate3D's question: I meant that God as Literally taken from the Bible is quite impossible, or at least quite improbable, as in almost all of the evidential data and thinking proccesses that lead to the current theories of physics, and biology, history, etc. being due to statistical error, based on these theories (though they are practically scientific fact, unless some person comes and figures out that everything we thought we knew was an illusion CONTINUED?
"that means that the big bang couldn't have happened" No it doesn't. And even if it did, that has NOTHING to do with evolution. The Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution are utterly unrelated. So try again: Whats the relevance? How does the fact that matter cannot be created or destroyed (if you assume that energy is just a state of matter) prevent evolution from being possible?
(view all replies)ID is not science. God is impossible. The universe CAN run without a God though. Science will give humans power to do what was once thought impossible, it is much more interesting than the Idea of some god creating everything. "That old religion" was good enough for the ancient romans and greeks and cave men, those religions older than christianity, I shall give christianity as much thought as christians give those religions. I believe in history and science primary to religion.
(view all replies)the conservation of mass and energy absolutely does not refute evolution, merely showing that god cannot "create the universe from nothing" like Creationism, if you actually believe in those "scientific lies". which would be good.
(view all replies)I dont think thats how it works sry
Can you give an alternative, scientific theory?
evoultion can NOT be true. when God made the universe, it took him 7 days, not millions of years. He also made animals and people, not a bunch of cells that would evolve for the next millions of years.
(view all replies)Why did it take an omnipotent being a whole seven days to make the world?
AbbecauseItWasMadeByHumans
It can be true because when god made the universe it was not this one. this one is too complex.
(view all replies)Thats not what I mean't. Please visit C. Vs. E.
(view all replies)One other question I have about the Sufficiency section is, if there are different races of humans living in different places, that are the same species now, in say, 5 million years, would different human races be different species?
well, no we killed off all the other species and we are not going to keep any groups seperated for the length of time needed.
If those populations of humans remained segregated for sufficient time (unlikely, in this modern age) AND environmental pressures forced mankind to adapt physically rather than by technological proxy, (unlikely for the modernised world) then yes, we *could* see different species of humans arise. It is unlikely, unless we see some global event that increases the two likelyhood of those conditions and enforces it for the necessary amount of time.
(view all replies)Yo Mayhem (link to project)
You just called someone a "stupid evolutionist and now you're saying "Yo, Mayhem?" Wow.
(view all replies)You may think you're pretty smart now, but you won't when you go to hell.
(view all replies)Ha, you are friggin stupid. lool, hell makes about as much as scence as a magical demon world.
(view all replies)Dude! What is WRONG with you?!
(view all replies)yes there is and i will tell you in a couple of hours because i got to leave my house
(view all replies)now your saying evilounists go to hell! here whats going to hurt. your dumb book that you read is basically lies, do you believe in ancient gods if u do there lies too we found out that all of those testimates are basically lies. Sorry but until u give me proof that a dumb book could solve how we evolved the scientific theroys are TRUE!
(view all replies)Stupid evolutionist
Who said I believe in Islam and Hinduism? I give them *exactly* as much credence as I do Christianity. That doesn't stop me from enjoying their creation stories.
(view all replies)The fact that you have to resort to insults just demonstrates how completely unable to argue your side you are. Plus, it demonstrates that you are not even a very good Christian...
(view all replies)Boring!!!!
A shame you find science boring.
what theory do you believe created the universe and planets and if you believe in the big bang the humans couldn't have survived the impact and massive expansion
(view all replies).....ummmm.............WHAT?
(view all replies)Gosh they didn't! humans did not exist before the Big Bang! they evolved billions of years after!
(view all replies)(Did you honestly believe that any of those theories suggested humans were present at the big bang?)
(view all replies)At which point, evolution began and still continues today. That's 3 different theories, none of which directly related to the other, and none contradictin the others. The Big Bang Theory, The theory of Abiogenisis, and the Theroy of Evolution.
you know evolutionists know there is a God they just don't want to believe in Him. they hate God like you but God still loves you
if you dont believe in eviloution how were you born? Di your little god create you! Its called reprodution.
(view all replies)Well Darwin did believe in God, well later he became an agnostic, but still. they don't hate god. do you hate like Zeus? even if you don't you don't believe in him do you? Science will not believe in a religious creation story with no evidence and very much evidence to the contrary? See the drama "inherit the wind" for humor and some funny stuff about the Scopes Monkey Trials by the way.
That said,many believers in evolution ARE atheists, who, by definition, do not believe in the Abrahamic god any more than you believe in Vishnu - and yet more than 1 billion people, globally, do believe in Vishnu. Would it be fair of them to say that YOU believe in Vishnu but don't want to because you hate him?
Belief in evolution has nothing to do with belief in god. One is science, the other is faith - two incompatable subjects. Plenty of believers in one believe in the other too - in fact, believe in both is the OFFICIAL stance of the single largest sect of christians in the world (1.12 billion people).
you know the chances of evolution happening is 1111111111111111111000000000000000044444444444445000000000699999999990544444444444349555555555502222222222222249555555555555 to the 4000dth power
do you understand that that is actually not true and that statistics show that Life in the universe is actually very possible according to Drake's Equation?
no it is not that is not what i am saying
(view all replies)or something like that.
(view all replies)Looks like you're a little confused about what you believe. According to what you've told me you're an Atheist evolutionist who is also a Christian and a Jew.
who also believes in Spode and Zeus and The Sun God and Unicorns and that the universe is an undergraduate science project blah blah blah. or an agnostic maybe?
You left out Muslim ;) I don't think I've ever claimed to be any of those things. Primarily because my religious beliefs (if any) are completely separate from my scientific beliefs, and one does not conciously affect the other. One thing you can take for certain is that I am not a Biblical Literalist, but then that's the position taken by the majority of Christians worldwide and so does not place me in any particular religious camp.
(view all replies)One thing I don't get (but I believe in evolution): Would this mean "mood" and "emotions" are just left over byproducts of brain activity? Or is emotion something completely different?
Moods are part of evolution in a social group dynamic - animals that feel a good emotion after doign something that benefits their pack are more likely to carry out such an action, and packs that consist of animals with this predeliction to be helpful will survive in tough times where more selfish packs do not. At least, that's one explanation.
(view all replies)Are you an atheist or theistic evolutionist? I am wondering because you have Christians on your friends list.
Hmmm... he didn't...
(view all replies)It really doesn't matter, does it?
(view all replies)Please go to my new gallery.
Please go to my project: Science and God
Is this a school project or something?
It was a response to a number of people who were spreading false information discrediting evolution.
All right, you have stated your point about how one animal will turn into another. But there are many gaps in this theory. One is: Where did life all come from in the first place? and even further, where did the infinite point that "fueled" the big bang come from anyway?
ask that to the Cosmologists. and the Chemical Biologists. there is lots of science people simply discredit because it is at odds with some book written hundreds of years ago.
(view all replies)Nonsense. You are looking at a tool designed for a specific purpose and claiming it doesn't work because it can't do a job it wasn't designed to do. A hammer that cannot undo bolts is still a perfectly good hammer. An evolutionary theory about how living things change over time that doesn't explain abiogenisis is still a perfectly good evolutionary theory. To explain origins of life, you use the theory of abiogenesis, just like if you want to undo a bolt, you grab a spanner not a hammer.
Your argument is rather like assuming your doctor is useless becasue he cannot fix a car... its not what he is supposed to be able to do.
(view all replies)Neither of those are gaps in the theory of evolution. Both are entirely different scientific theories. For more about the origins of life, see the Theory of Abiogenesis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg. For more about the Big Bang, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
I do not believe that evolution is the way that the world was created. I believe that God created all things. In the Bible, God's unchanging, true, and mighty word, Genesis 1:1, it says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". and in Isaiah 45:12 God says, "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host".
(view all replies)the world did not evolve. that is true. but humans were not simply placed here. this is all scientific FACT pretty much, as solid as chemistry!
"men are not perfect. they always argue..." exactly my point. The bible was originally written down by imperfect men. It was re-copied by imperfect men, translated by imperfect men, and edited by imperfect men. To therefore treat it as the invioble word of god is not rational.
(view all replies)WHOOOOOO, craftgirl!!!
I agree with you craftgirl!
I'm sorry that was so long! :D
An excellent video explaining how abiogenesis could have come about, from simple chemical and physical processes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
no science or evolution or explosions could bring them to life. Therefore there is no other explanation of how life came than some kind of omniscient and omnipotent being that could create such extrordidinary gift called life.
(view all replies)If you dont beleve in eviloution how was god created? Duh
(view all replies)no science? how can you say that?
Abiogenisis - the process of life being generated from non-life. As for chemical processes, that's exactly what life is. If you inhibit the chemical processes in a body, the body dies. I believe that everything about us is contained within our physical bodies, wheras you appear to believe that, despite any evidence to the contrary, that there is an invisible intagible "bit" of us that somehow exists and influences us.
That's far more likely in there being some totally undetectable invisible guy that made everything by magic, in my opinion. And even if the spark of life is divine, it does NOT invalidate the Big Bang Theory or the Theory of Evolution (both of which owe a lot to christian scientists).
(view all replies)else and rearange them into some kind of object but there is absolutly no chance, no event, that could ever bring the extraordinary amazing thing called life into this world! Think about what life is! It's not the jummbles of cells in a body. If the big bang did happen, there would just be floating matter around and no matter what happened to it nothing significant would come. You can just imagine a bunch of animals and people lying around on a pretty much empty planet not doing anything because
Listen very carefuly. If you made from scratch an exact replica of a baby, every organ and every cell perfectly positioned, you would not be able to make it move by itself or think it's own thoughts or feel. You could not put life into it. You could make a computer with all kinds of programming and hardwiring that could calculate or do anything. But no matter what incredible technology comes our way, we could never put life into it. An exoplosion could create molecules and cells and whatever
there is proof that the world is older than the bible suggests and that the universe was "created" long before the earth was, humans can part the red sea or bring people back to life if they try hard.
(view all replies)meanwhile sending nutrients into it using the umbiblical cord and stuff because humans are incredibly complex organisms, it would be easier to create a single celled bacterial cell or just a strand of RNA, which is what Humans eventually evolved from.
you are right. you would have to start it as a one celled zygote that becomes a fetus and develops and starts getting the heart pumping and the cells duplicating and the brain sending electrical synapses first.
yeah but guess what people are doing that stuff and when they do disprove everything Creationists say the Creationists will search for something else that would work for someone who doesn't understand science at all...
(view all replies)Please answer the questions.
the "miracles" of science today are perhaps greater than those of "god" in the bible, or his prophets or Jesus. except for where it says God created the world and the universe and the sun.
ALright. Mayhem, do you believe in the big bang theory? It kind of sounds that you do. And then do you believe that evolution created life after? And you obviously don't believe that God created us and gave us life, right?
How do you get away from teh fact that if there is an omnipotent, omniscient god, then every bad thing that happens to humanity, every ounce of pain, suffering and misery, is because of him. He's omnipotent, he could have therefore found a way of giving us free will without evil, without torture, without visciousness. If you believe in him, then you believe that nothing exists without his specific wantin git to exist - he apparently wants us to suffer.
(view all replies)I believe that the big bang theory is the best explanation for the physical process that began the universe, and am grateful to Georges Lemaître, a roman catholic priest, who helped to put the theory in good order. I have no personal preference in one theory of how life started over another, as meaningful opinion on abiogenesis requires more knowledge of organochemistry than I possess. I believe that the theory of evolution is the best explanation for both the biodiversity that we can see today, and the evolutionary processes that can still be observed. None of those beliefs are incompatable with a belief in god (as the largest single organisation of christians in the world would happily tell you) but I personally can not accept the existence of a being that is omniscient and omnipotent but simultaneously totally undetectable and so willing to inflict torment on its creation.
(view all replies)I do believe in micro evolution. If there are two moths on an island and one is similar in color to the bark of a tree, it camouflages better will not be eaten, therefore it's offspring will be more likely to survive than its counterpart.
Ah you are that the majority of educated christians believe in Evolution? I can direct you to a website containing a pro-evolution letter signed by over 11000 clergymen, if you wish.
(view all replies)Two. Why do humans have morals. why are humans compelled to help other people and animals and expect nothing in return? It has been hardwired into our brains by God. It says in the Bible that God gave us the animals to protect and care for.
they don't do they?
i have seen a lot of selfish ppl that defy morality. I wonder if animals do that........
Helping other people is actually evolutionarily useful for communal animals. Why do lions help each other? Why do Merekats? Altrusim can help your species survive, and in a competative world, sometimes it is the edge you need. A single hungry lion cannot bring down an elephant, but working together, the pride can - and then, everybody eats.
(view all replies)I have two things to say against evolution. One. Why do humans stop to admire sunsets and stars and views? is it because it is good for them? Does it further their survival and the continuation of there genes? no.
Surrounding ourselves with things that have a positive effect on our emotions improves our mental health, which in turn makes us more competative. The ability to appreciate beauty can therefore be considered as an evolutionary advantage.
(view all replies)Job 30 "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech, night after night they display knowledge"
(view all replies)God created all thing but sin has caused a awful effect on what God has created. Good news is God is incontrol and shall rescue His people from sin.
Of course you'd say that XP you're a Jesus-Freak! I'm not going to even attempt to argue against you.
Me and Mayhem have already talked about this. Snap! I can't find where though. When I find it I'll show it to you.
Sin only happened because god wanted it too. It's hard to be grateful to the man that resues your from drowning when he is the one that pushed you into the river in the first place.
(view all replies)I will not believe evolution for all that I have heard about it is a lie proven by science. Their was never a ice age and their was never a big bang. Also a cat has always been a cat. A cat has never been a dog if had been we would see a cat dog or dog cat and well I havn't seen them.
if you dont believe in eviloution how was god created?
(view all replies)"There was never an ice age"? Out of curiosity, how old do you think the world is?
Well then why do scientists have to create a cat dog or a dog cat just to disprove you people? it is kind of annoying! why do scientists even care?
Evolution happens. We have a theory that explains the process, a theory that you cannot disprove. The vast majority of christians have no trouble reconciling evolution and faith. If you cannot, it is clear that your faith is too weak.
(view all replies)Any real Christian can tell you that they felt different after they just became a Christian and also miracles have happen all over the world. I havn't found anything were evolution can explains miracles snd the reason is because God is way beyond evolution.
evolution CAN explain, along with other scientific theories (theory doesn't just mean a guess it can mean as solid truth as almost anything in Science), humans though. probability can explain many probabalistic "miracles" also. some claimed miracles might not really have happened also, which is quite likely.
any real monkey can say "oo oo ah ah" I'm not sure why I said that...
Muslims can tell you that they felt different, that their god spoke to them. So can Hindus, Sikhs, Bhuddists, and shamen, and many other religious practitioners. Why are you willing to condemn their views as self delusion whilst automatically assuming your own is the one true way?
(view all replies)Why would evolution explain miracles? By definition, NO science can explain miracles. You are really showing your lack of knowledge on this subject.
Your personality was not made by evolution and evolution can not explain your personality. What do you have to lose by serving God? With God you get life in Heaven. Without God you end up in Hell. I know you may not believe me but ask yourself what will happen to you after you die? How did the world begin? What is my purpose in life? Why was I created? I have the answer to those questions. Just because a test can't be on it doesn't mean its not real.
evolution is one force out of all of them in the law of physics. creationism has hundreds of flaws for each one in science.
(view all replies)"What do you have to lose by serving God?" thats an interesting question. It depends who turns out to be right. If the Jews or Muslims are right, then by being a christian you are pretty much condemning yourself to hell.
(view all replies)After I die, my conciousness will cease to exist and my body will decay. My genes will live on in my family, and my morals will live on in the behavior of my children. We don't need the carrot and stick of heaven and hell to make us want to live my life the best way we can.
(view all replies)jesus-freak, you have to accept that evolution is a fact that is proven many ways. but God exists because the universe couldn't have created itself. who says that God and evolution can't both exist?
(view all replies)Maki, LOOK around you. You are made by God. Just because you can't see the wind doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I can't see you but you do exist. Your body is so complex evolution can not explain how your brain works to even come up with what you are thinking. The reason why is because you are the only one exactly like you no one can replace you. God made you not evolution. For you were knit inside your mother's womb by God.
Rock on! That is absolutely right.
The wind is a terrible analogy - we can feel the wind, we can see what effects it has, we know what causes it and we can use our scientific knowledge of the wind to predict what it will do. The wind is necessary for the survival of many living things, and we can see exactly why that is. Conversely, there is zero evidence for god beyond "well, its too complicated for me to understand, therefore I'll say god did it."
(view all replies)the brain can be explained by evolution, but your soul is what can't. God made made us all, but not directly, God only directly made one thing, that is the first atoms in the universe. those atoms eventually evolved into cells, which evolved into us. evolution is a product of God!
(view all replies)First off I don't accept evolution and by the way anyone can say they are a Christian but only some are true followers of The Way. I am one who lives by faith knowing that the Bible is completely true. Believe what you will but at the end you shall see the truth.
And, if you believe the Bible is completely true, do you agree with people having multiple wives (I forget the word.)? Do you agree that you can bat your servants, or buy slaves from your neighboring countries?
(view all replies)If you believe the bible is completely true, then you are, I'm afraid, being totally blinkered to the truth. There are many things in the bible that CANNOT be true as they contradict each other (Jesus' last words, for example), and other parts that directly contradict reality (such as hares chewing the cud and insects having 4 legs). The stories in the bible are oral histories - which would change subtly with every re-telling, written down generations after they were first told by fallible human beings, edited and translated by humans keen to make the word of god fit their political purposes. To accept it dogmatically, without using the powers of thought that you believe god gave you, would be insulting to him.
(view all replies)To any Christian: Give one divine proof that this god person exists.
who created matter? who created the complex system of science and evolution?
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Give one piece of proof that this god guy exists.
(view all replies)I will say though when I said that alot of you thought it was dumb and so that is how I fel about evolution. The real debate is evolution vs science not God vs evolution. God is God at all times but your beliefs constantly change which causes much confusion that is not needed for it is a waste of time
The debate most certainly is NOT evolution vs science, as the theory of evolution is accepted as the most valid scientific theory we have by all genuine scientists. The vast majority of people who argue against evolution are people who find the idea offensive due to their religious beliefs, their insistence in taking the bible literally. The ONLY challenges to evolution being taught in schools have come from religious bodies. Evolution is scientific. God, by definition, is not. These 2 facts do not need to be in conflict, as the vast majority of christians are quite happy to accept evolution as a scientific truth (or as close to truth as science can get).
(view all replies)My point is that dogs have always been dogs and cats have always been cats. The thing after that was to help it make more sense but now I see it has caused confusion to the point that I was trying to make.
How can you prove dogs have always been dogs and cats have always been cats? Would you say that modern humans have always been modern humans? Cause then, how do you explain Neanderthals and such?
btw myhem, plz dont take personal offens in my comments. I am simply giving asweres. I am not trying to beat anything into you, nor do my capital lettered words represtent shouting(im just trying to add a little emphasis so they are not overlooked.) thx for listening. Keep searching for the truth. No matter if you believe you have it or not. Good science is the constant search for accurate information; we all need to contimually search.
however I do have a lot of hot air i need to get out productivly.
(view all replies)Mine either.
yes, this part of evolution I believe to be true. But what about that part of evolution when life first appeared on Earth? Each time I hear about it, it sounds like a bunch of impossible lucky chances...
impossible lucky chances caused by God! the lightning which struck the mud to make the first cell was when God wanted life on Earth.
(view all replies)hmm, true
That's not part of evolution. Thats an entirely different theroy - abiogenisis. That said - lucky chances, however unlikey, are still chances. And in a universe this big, over a periods of almost 14 Billion years, the chances of something improbable happening become much, much higher.
(view all replies)they don't share a common ancestor they have always been what they are a cat is a cat and a dog is a dog they are both animals but they are different animals. why else do you see a dog chase a cat if they where the same they would get along better. right?!
thats lame! if two humans are related, then how come they dont get along!?!
(view all replies)That's an argument so poor it beggars belief. different types of large cat fight and kill each other for a whole variety of reasons, why do you imagine being of common ancestry would make 2 competing predators suddenly get along?
And speciation due to these changes is literally a matter of time. Lots and lots of time. It has been observed and recorded in animals/plants with a short generational cycle. Dogs are dogs now, and cats are cats, but they share a common ancestor that was neither.