hey, deine spiele und animationen sind echt toll.
aber ich habe ned frage: wenn ich eigene musik hochladen will, steht immer das format ist ungültig.
wie kann ich das ändern?
a translation into english: "hey, your games and animations are really great. But I have a question: when I try to load my own music, it always says that the format is not supported. how can I change this?"
alle formats sind nicht gultig fur Scratch, es verwandelt sie alle in mp3, aber alle formats kann es nich verwandeln also mussen sie ein software selber finden das dein lied format in mp3 verwandelt.
Oops I see the newlines in my message became spaces.
//// to vee / lt 45 / fd 50 / run pick [square star hex] / bk 50 / rt 90 / etc. /////// WHEN I RECEIVE SQUARE / SQUARE ///// :-)
.... when you get more than one level of recursion, the sprite gets lost and doesn't manage to return to its starting point, and the picture is weird. So there's something about BROADCAST AND WAIT that doesn't play well with recursion, is my guess. A single level of recursion (i.e., two levels of VEE) works fine. Thanks.
PS The ATOMIC box should be unchecked by default. My students keep getting hung irretrievably. And if the argument gets small enough, a Squeak debugging console appears
I tried this classic (Paul Goldenberg) Logo recursion:
to vee
left 45
forward 50
run pick [square star hexagon]
back 50
right 90
forward 50
run pick [square star hexagon]
back 50
left 45
end
except that since Scratch doesn't have RUN, I had to say
BROADCAST (ITEM ANY OF SHAPES) AND WAIT
where SHAPES is a list containing the elements
SQUARE
STAR
HEXAGON
and the sprite has scripts like
WHEN I RECEIVE SQUARE
SQUARE
and so on.
This works fine, but when you add VEE to the list of shapes,[cont.]
Hi, it's already done. I'll ask John if it's okay to post it now/sometime next week (because the official source code for Scrath 1.4 is not yet posted)
If you can't make it so that you can create a block with boolean inputs in BYOB, why not make a reporter block for BYOB that has a boolean input? The block could report 1 if the boolean is true, and 0 if the boolean is false.
The next version of BYOB will take any input, including text and boolean reporter blocks in every argument field. You'll be able to access the booleans within the block definition using the (round) parameter blocks from the block template
Thanks for you interest in my little experiments! Elements is the beginning of a new graphical programming language - or rather a graphical drag'n'drop user interface for Smalltalk. It lets you manipulate the Scratch source code almost like it was written in Scratch itself
Breaking out of a runaway recursion isn't working for me on my MacBook Pro. I *didn't* click on "atomic," so the stop sign should work, but it doesn't, and neither does esc-mouseclick.
Thanks for this bug-report. I'm just now adjusting BYOB to the upcoming Scratch release, and will try to figure out what's causing this (the esc-mouseclick really came as an afterthought and is somewhat kludgy). Could be related to Scratch not yielding to other processes until the innermost loop is completed, so stacking code in deeply nested loops seems to cause more hang-ups. You could try filling in some "timed" blocks (waits) and see what happens (I'd like to know). Thanks again!
Hi piko_12. It is very unlikely tht BYOB actually gets stuck, but BYOB does feature "atomic" recursion, which lets you program infinite recursive loops. Such infinite loops may appear to "hang" BYOB when you're specifying them to be "atomic" (=running as a single block). There's a section in the pdf-manual about this (Escaping out of infinite atomic recursion). To sum it up: Press and hold the Esc-key while clicking with the mouse (anywhere). This should do it.
Thanks for your help. I found a book about squeak and how to use it. Do you know of a book that starts explaining some of the code? I'll need it after I read the first book. Do you think the book I am reading now is a good start? Here is the link to it: http://www.squeakbyexample.org/
SBE is an excellent book to refer to, besides it's free, and I believe it comes with it's own environment in which to check out the examples. There's also an excllent and much shorter bank account tutorial somewhere on the Squeak site written by John Maloney, who's now the lead programmer for Scratch, and who invented and introduced the Morphic user interface paradigm to Squeak (which is central part of Scratch)
How did you learn how to do all of this stuff? I would like to learn how to do things like this but where do I start? Do you know of a web page that tells you how to do stuff like this in scratch?
Hi music_man, thanks for you interest in BYOB, Scratch, and programming in general! I love programming, and I guess whenever you truly love doing something it will eventually become easier. Scratch is programmed in Squeak, which is an open source variant of the Smalltlk programming language, and rather well documented (check squeak.org) Smalltalk is generally considered to be easy. However, there's a learning curve to Smalltalk, so be prepared to not immediately master super-complex stuff...
My mum's Vista ( which I'm on now ) won't work when I do the % thing. It says Subscript is out of bounds even when I I just do in the create your own block with the block name of "%"
Seems fairly limited to be, because you can only use blocks already in scratch to build your block, am I wrong?
Also, when is chirp going to be able to play 1.3 projects in screensavers!?
Do you think you could try to make a block that can save or load games? All you need to save is the variables and lists. Also, how do you do this stuff in scratch? Your like the master at making code for it.
actually, music_man, my prototype for lists (before they were introduced to Scratch)included file-access blocks for lists: http://www.chirp.scratchr.org/blog/?p=16
I know how this works but in a custom block how do you get a block like this; [Dragon__order__turn]? all I an get is one big block of [Dragon order turn] Please reply!
Ok now I understand. Thank you for telling me how to make it work on the iMac. Can you tell me some tips of how you can use this? Also, like the variables, can you make it have a drop down menu? If so, can you tell me how?
Why don't you have a look at the sample projects that come with this. You can look at how each is done by right clicking on it and selecting edit. This will give you some ideas how to get going. Also, there's a (too long, I know) pdf with a sort of user manual
That sounds cool. Do you think you could try to make it compatible with the iMac? Or is that o hard to do? I tried to download it to see what it dose, but it is an .exe.
Hi music_man, you can use BYOB on a Mac, just copy the file 'scratch.app' into the folder in which you extracted the download archive. Then drop the file named "byob.image" on "scratch.app", and you should be all set to go!
Hi music_man. This project shows what the "BYOB"-prototype does, which lets you build your own custom blocks in Scratch (rather than having to use Smalltalk), and how you can use a custom block within its own definition
Thanks for you ideas, likegames! Drop down lists for sprite names would be great, but how to handle these within the block-definition code? Let me think some more about this...
WHERE/WHAT IS A CUSTOM BLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!!??!??!?!?!
Jens, I always see projects from you that are very interesting, I´d like more info about that, is there a site, a forum post or anything where I could read about that or other custom block?, the posibility of doing this expand Scratch in an inamiginable way :)
Download this project! 
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Any way, how did you make the "make a block" in scratch and not BYOB?
this looks like a teacher chat page!
You know, in a way it is, because some teachters are using this experimental feature in their classes
why is the flaag and red stop sign in circles like that? How did you get thta?
it's an old version of scratch. they looked like that from before around V 1.3
I'd be great if this was included in actual scratch.
*It'd
hey, deine spiele und animationen sind echt toll. aber ich habe ned frage: wenn ich eigene musik hochladen will, steht immer das format ist ungültig. wie kann ich das ändern?
a translation into english: "hey, your games and animations are really great. But I have a question: when I try to load my own music, it always says that the format is not supported. how can I change this?" alle formats sind nicht gultig fur Scratch, es verwandelt sie alle in mp3, aber alle formats kann es nich verwandeln also mussen sie ein software selber finden das dein lied format in mp3 verwandelt.
(view all replies)Oops I see the newlines in my message became spaces. //// to vee / lt 45 / fd 50 / run pick [square star hex] / bk 50 / rt 90 / etc. /////// WHEN I RECEIVE SQUARE / SQUARE ///// :-)
.... when you get more than one level of recursion, the sprite gets lost and doesn't manage to return to its starting point, and the picture is weird. So there's something about BROADCAST AND WAIT that doesn't play well with recursion, is my guess. A single level of recursion (i.e., two levels of VEE) works fine. Thanks. PS The ATOMIC box should be unchecked by default. My students keep getting hung irretrievably. And if the argument gets small enough, a Squeak debugging console appears
I tried this classic (Paul Goldenberg) Logo recursion: to vee left 45 forward 50 run pick [square star hexagon] back 50 right 90 forward 50 run pick [square star hexagon] back 50 left 45 end except that since Scratch doesn't have RUN, I had to say BROADCAST (ITEM ANY OF SHAPES) AND WAIT where SHAPES is a list containing the elements SQUARE STAR HEXAGON and the sprite has scripts like WHEN I RECEIVE SQUARE SQUARE and so on. This works fine, but when you add VEE to the list of shapes,[cont.]
Hi, can you say when the next release will be out? I have a summer class right now that's eager to build blocks that include ask/answer. Thanks!
Hi, it's already done. I'll ask John if it's okay to post it now/sometime next week (because the official source code for Scrath 1.4 is not yet posted)
If you can't make it so that you can create a block with boolean inputs in BYOB, why not make a reporter block for BYOB that has a boolean input? The block could report 1 if the boolean is true, and 0 if the boolean is false.
The next version of BYOB will take any input, including text and boolean reporter blocks in every argument field. You'll be able to access the booleans within the block definition using the (round) parameter blocks from the block template
(view all replies)I read your reply on the comment below...so...its kinda like a hack if I'm following right?And how did you get the screen shot?
Here's half the question: How to Take A Screen Shot: go to the page you want to take a screen shot of, and hit Print Screen on the keyboard (Windows)
(view all replies)I downloaded BOYB awhile ago, and I also went to your website and downloaded Elements. What exactly is Elements?
Thanks for you interest in my little experiments! Elements is the beginning of a new graphical programming language - or rather a graphical drag'n'drop user interface for Smalltalk. It lets you manipulate the Scratch source code almost like it was written in Scratch itself
Hi, since your on the Scratch team, I want say that dragging the scratch source into Scratch doesnt open the Squeak workspace.
Squeak is a whole different program. If you don't have it, you can't open Scratch in it!
Breaking out of a runaway recursion isn't working for me on my MacBook Pro. I *didn't* click on "atomic," so the stop sign should work, but it doesn't, and neither does esc-mouseclick.
Thanks for this bug-report. I'm just now adjusting BYOB to the upcoming Scratch release, and will try to figure out what's causing this (the esc-mouseclick really came as an afterthought and is somewhat kludgy). Could be related to Scratch not yielding to other processes until the innermost loop is completed, so stacking code in deeply nested loops seems to cause more hang-ups. You could try filling in some "timed" blocks (waits) and see what happens (I'd like to know). Thanks again!
I'm using it right now, its awesome. Wish I could share though! :)
But BYOB stucked, I pressed stop, but it doesn't :( .
Hi piko_12. It is very unlikely tht BYOB actually gets stuck, but BYOB does feature "atomic" recursion, which lets you program infinite recursive loops. Such infinite loops may appear to "hang" BYOB when you're specifying them to be "atomic" (=running as a single block). There's a section in the pdf-manual about this (Escaping out of infinite atomic recursion). To sum it up: Press and hold the Esc-key while clicking with the mouse (anywhere). This should do it.
(view all replies)Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did it!!!!!!!! Congratsulations (sorry if I misplelled "congratsulations"), you are a good programmer!
wow, are u a computer scientist!!??
Not really, I'm a Smalltalk programmer turned lawyer and turned Smalltalk programmer-lawyer, lol!
(view all replies)Thanks for your help. I found a book about squeak and how to use it. Do you know of a book that starts explaining some of the code? I'll need it after I read the first book. Do you think the book I am reading now is a good start? Here is the link to it: http://www.squeakbyexample.org/
SBE is an excellent book to refer to, besides it's free, and I believe it comes with it's own environment in which to check out the examples. There's also an excllent and much shorter bank account tutorial somewhere on the Squeak site written by John Maloney, who's now the lead programmer for Scratch, and who invented and introduced the Morphic user interface paradigm to Squeak (which is central part of Scratch)
How did you learn how to do all of this stuff? I would like to learn how to do things like this but where do I start? Do you know of a web page that tells you how to do stuff like this in scratch?
Hi music_man, thanks for you interest in BYOB, Scratch, and programming in general! I love programming, and I guess whenever you truly love doing something it will eventually become easier. Scratch is programmed in Squeak, which is an open source variant of the Smalltlk programming language, and rather well documented (check squeak.org) Smalltalk is generally considered to be easy. However, there's a learning curve to Smalltalk, so be prepared to not immediately master super-complex stuff...
(view all replies)I'm Going To Try To Make A Block In BYOB thats <Pointing Towards | Sprite | > If Thats Possible..I'm Going To Try Though.
This looks cool, but it doesn't work on 's.
I dom't know if i should download BYOB it might couse virisis.
no it won't i didn't. did you get that idea by a warning on your browser?
1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1.3.1 very stange image file
image file "1.3.1" its strange if i do 1.3.1.3.1.3.1
My mum's Vista ( which I'm on now ) won't work when I do the % thing. It says Subscript is out of bounds even when I I just do in the create your own block with the block name of "%"
just '%' doesn't work (yet) in BYOB, because I fixed that bug in Scratch 1.3 only later (for 1.3.1). Use "%parameter" instead.
(view all replies)Seems fairly limited to be, because you can only use blocks already in scratch to build your block, am I wrong? Also, when is chirp going to be able to play 1.3 projects in screensavers!?
Is there a way to add drop down lists to blocks?
not yet, FoxDur. Which drop down lists would you be interested in?
(view all replies)Yay I just made my own block! I'm so excited! Thank you! :D
Do you think you could try to make a block that can save or load games? All you need to save is the variables and lists. Also, how do you do this stuff in scratch? Your like the master at making code for it.
actually, music_man, my prototype for lists (before they were introduced to Scratch)included file-access blocks for lists: http://www.chirp.scratchr.org/blog/?p=16
oh, wait i get it!
I know how this works but in a custom block how do you get a block like this; [Dragon__order__turn]? all I an get is one big block of [Dragon order turn] Please reply!
Spelling error; not an, get.
(view all replies)Ok now I understand. Thank you for telling me how to make it work on the iMac. Can you tell me some tips of how you can use this? Also, like the variables, can you make it have a drop down menu? If so, can you tell me how?
Why don't you have a look at the sample projects that come with this. You can look at how each is done by right clicking on it and selecting edit. This will give you some ideas how to get going. Also, there's a (too long, I know) pdf with a sort of user manual
That sounds cool. Do you think you could try to make it compatible with the iMac? Or is that o hard to do? I tried to download it to see what it dose, but it is an .exe.
double-click the image file
Hi music_man, you can use BYOB on a Mac, just copy the file 'scratch.app' into the folder in which you extracted the download archive. Then drop the file named "byob.image" on "scratch.app", and you should be all set to go!
(view all replies)Can you explain what this dose? I'm still confused.
Hi music_man. This project shows what the "BYOB"-prototype does, which lets you build your own custom blocks in Scratch (rather than having to use Smalltalk), and how you can use a custom block within its own definition
*so it is scratch-legal.
let's rather try to maybe incorporate something like this into real Scratch...
(view all replies)P.S I know it is scratch-illegal, make the share button make it upload it to a "BYOB projects" page of the chirp website.
Make a share button and a hat block feature and ability to put your blocks in categories also % options (like %n for numbers). Hope 1.1 is made soon!
Wow, that is really cool. Will BYOB be added into future version of main Scratch app?
Thanks for trying it, Lightnin! BYOB is as of now just an experimental prototype, nothing official
how do you share projects with it?
You can't share these projects on the website, but I embedded a compiler, so you can share them as .exe
(view all replies)i was trying to make that but i made a background/costume block.
p.s pleeeeeez make BYOB 1.1 with my ideaz PLUS more sample projectz
Thanks for you ideas, likegames! Drop down lists for sprite names would be great, but how to handle these within the block-definition code? Let me think some more about this...
(view all replies)make it able 2 do special things 4 example %i is that lists drop-down block (1, last, uhh i don't know the other one, %m (text (or is it?)))
how would you make a [ ^] part in a block such as point to [ ^]
in the future there might be BYOB 1.1
U maybe able in BYOB 1.1
(view all replies)you can't
(view all replies)SOOOOOOOOOO COOL JENS! GOOD WORK! U R A SQUEAK MASTER!!!!!!!
Hey Jens, I found A cool hack to play tetris in the world menu on scratch 1.3!
lol
on the mac to do it click BYOB.image
what /where will i find a custom block?
(view all replies)love it!
WHERE/WHAT IS A CUSTOM BLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!!??!??!?!?!
Imagine it-0sprites, 2 blocks (one for when green flag clicked)
HOW DO YOU OPEN BLOCK EDITOR?
right-click on a custom block and select "edit"
PLEASE POST PROTOTYPE .IMAGE!
he already has. on chirp.scratchr.org/blog.
I have not seen tha function in Scratch, is there?
Jens, I always see projects from you that are very interesting, I´d like more info about that, is there a site, a forum post or anything where I could read about that or other custom block?, the posibility of doing this expand Scratch in an inamiginable way :)
(view all replies)Hi Yelmo, it's a prototype
(view all replies)PLEASE post .image file!
he did.
and if its true post a project that has these blocks in them! (no offence)
your scaring me!
How so, buddha108?
(view all replies)please give link!
byob in forums
How does it work?
Wait this isn't real is it?
it is,byob in forums