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Since this is getting dangerously close to front paged, I might as well get something through to you guys:
I hate Simba. Simba the white lion.
Did the Disney studio steal Kimba The White Lion and rework it as their "original story", The Lion King? They certainly give that impression with their corporate stance ("we never heard of Tezuka nor Kimba until after The Lion King was released"). And why would they have filed suit to try to prevent the showing of Tezuka Productions' 1997 Jungle Emperor Leo movie at the 1998 Toronto FantAsia Film Festival? (Jungle Emperor was the original title for Kimba The White Lion.) It seems quite simple; Kimba had been kept out of sight in North America for 20 years by that time. And once you can see the two together...
I'm sure you've heard how every character in The Lion King has a matching character in Kimba, all the way down to the level of both having a sage mandrill mis-identified as a baboon.
The shame of the matter is that the Disney company is sticking to their official line --that their people never heard of Kimba before The Lion King was released-- even in the face of logic and evidence. if we were to take their statement at face value, it actually means they were stupid and irresponsible. But more than that, many examples say just the opposite of the Disney statement.
During planning sessions for The Lion King, Simba started out as a white lion until one of the animators spoke up: "Not even OUR lawyers are THAT good!" Maybe so, but notice how both characters have a tuft of hair in the middle of their foreheads, and the very unusual dark ear rim. That alone shows how Kimba is the direct predecessor of Simba.
It is my opinion that the creative people at Disney most definitely knew of Kimba as they were making The Lion King-- but somehow, before the movie could be released, it was decided that the tie must be denied. Even if that means a slap in the face for Osamu Tezuka, the "Walt Disney of Japan".
More similarities:
Both title characters turn to eating bugs to save their herbivore friends. In The Lion King, they blow past this idea in under a minute, but it was a major plot element in Kimba; the meat eaters tried eating plants until they hit on the idea of eating bugs.
And more... the patch of thorns... (This scene called the matching scene from Kimba immediately to my mind. I couldn't believe how much alike they were.)
...dangling from a cliff with the villain above...
(FYI: The antagonist lion in Kimba was introduced as his "aunt", while Scar was Simba's uncle.)
... and the stampede.
And there is of course the opening sequence of Jungle Emperor (the Japanese version of Kimba) and the parallel opening sequence of The Lion King. The most famous comparison of the two is the image of the lion on the jutting rock.
In the episode "Dangerous Journey", Kimba is faced with the need to undertake a, well, dangerous journey in order to save an important member of their community. He doesn't think he is capable of doing it, but that night his father appears to him in the moon, and convinces him that this is something he has to do.
In the Lion King, Simba is faced with the need to save his entire community, a task he doesn't think he is capable of doing until his father appears to him in the moon/clouds and convinces him that he can.
Anyone still want to try to convince me it's all a coincidence? Peter and Rochelle Schweizer interviewed Disney animators and report that while working on the Lion King the animators held up stills from Kimba for comparison to their own work.
Kimba is one of the landmarks of animation. The Disney company has earned over 1.5 billion dollars from The Lion King but has not given either any sort of compensation to Tezuka Productions nor credit to Osamu Tezuka. I know their creative people know better. In and of itself, it's not a crime that they did take elements from Tezuka's work--there are also elements in The Lion King that would seem to come from Kipling's Jungle Books (not the Disney version) and from a famous pre-WWII Nazi propaganda film (Triumph of the Will). Cultural references are to be expected. But when a work derives so much from another, denying the source is wrong. To deny the source does an injustice to Osamu Tezuka, the original creator, and to Disney's own people who love Tezuka's works.
Why must the Disney company take such a stance about their main source of inspiration for this film? Could it be that The Lion King started out originally to be a remake of Kimba The White Lion?
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i agree with you sorry, i dont like Simba either :| AWESOME ANIMATION!
THANKYOU BRO
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(view all replies)even though my accout name is "thelionkingrules", i don't hate kimba.awesome song :)
why could liking the lion king cause you to dislike Kimba?
This is awesome did you record the song or was it online
I forget X3
He's all like, HATERS GONNA HATE. X3
38 read the project notes...
(view all replies)D: I just read Lotia's comment!
kimba is cute i loves the kimba if you watch close lion king at the seen simba lies down on flowers and flotes away.....
uh. Whut?
Lol he's like "HATERS GONNA HATE"
"LOVERS GONNA FAKE IT."
(view all replies)and i used to watch kimba when i was 4 or 5 man i loved that movie
I'd rather you not
(view all replies)cool. Lol it used to be on TV until Disney pressed charges to cancel it.
(view all replies)but it was in englis and i have no idea where we got the movie i just remeamber watching it
can i remix this i just want the song
I stole the song o3o look up 'Scourge is a superstar' for the full version X3
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maybe X3
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(view all replies)I'M SO ANGRY AT DISNEY!! I can't believe it!! They were using SOO many scenes from Kimba! And Simba? I mean COME ON!! I've never seen Kimba personally, and I watched The Lion King when I was little, but there are too many facts showing how much Disney stole!! I'm totally with you, Foxgirlgamer. Btw, I read the comments below, and I'm so sorry Scarfire called you an idiot. That's really mean. Once, someone called one of my projects dumb. I deleted the comment, but it has haunted me ever since. :(
THANK YOU. Omd I love you XDD
(view all replies)ur overeacting :\ plz dont drag me into this by screaming at me then i will get cheesed off and yell at u too XD
(view all replies)*ahem*, then, obviously, it is one of the most obvious ripoffs in the history of... ever.
Then needless to say, I have watched exactly four episodes of Kimba The White Lion ^.^
(view all replies)did you even read the project notes?
(view all replies)there you go :D
(view all replies)I remember watching Kimba the White Lion when I was little. That was such an amazing show, and I remember loving it so much. <3 But even if The Lion King is a copy of Kimba the White Lion, I still love it. :3 The 3D version of The Lion King was great!
(view all replies)DAMMIT.
(view all replies)OHHH NOOO THE WORLD IS GONNA END D8 D8 D8
(view all replies)Also the whole Disney keeping Tezuka hush-hush until their 1.5 billion dollar project comes out really pissed me off. I knew nothing about this until about two months ago, and by then I was obsessed with the songs from The Lion King and Tezuka, so it really hurt to think that Disney was taking advantage of their popularity.
Actually they're dead. Sooo o3o
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READ THE PROJECT NOTES ALL OF YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE- yes.
simba from lion king or kimba
YES. YES what?
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(view all replies)ahhh. you're not as much of philosipher as I am. You don't seem to think as much on things as I do. Disney steals Kimba=ALL THE MORE REASON TO ADVERTISE KIMBA!!!
BUT--Disney pressed lawsuits to prevent the showing of Kimba at the Tezuka film festival. o3o
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just pointing something out here.. not to make you mad or anything. But this kind of project is just going to get disney lovers mad and get disney more publisity (dont care if i spelt that wrong)
gad, there is absoloutly no reason to scream at me about it. I don't know what you're trying to prove, other then 'Foxgirlgamer sucks for posting this project'. If you're not going to be rational about this then please don't reply.
How the heil would this get Disney more publicity? Did you even read the project notes? Honestly, did you? The reason I deleted all your comments is because I don't like my projects to be filled with spam. If your going to make a big fuss about this you are obviously not going to get very far in life. And who's being imature? Giving me the silent treatment. Wow, that hurts so much. I don't know how I can sleep with myself anymore.
(view all replies)wow. Okay, I just went through all of my comments deleting yours. Actually I'm only pointing out the obvious. Do YOU want to try to convince me that it's all a big coincidence? Then fine, do so. But I know Disney stole from Tezuka. I love Tezuka and his works, and when I found out this it tore my heart out to think of my favorite animal being copied off of. And as an afterburn, Disney made 1.5 billion dollars doing so.
(view all replies)If you like them,then...i really dont know.I know That Disney is really bad at cpoying
Could I use the walk cycle for mai icon?
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NVM
Its not Simba the White Lion its Kimba the White Lion...
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I love Kimba.
fffff XD
Why can't Simba and Kimba just be friends? Kimba's butt shaking, Simba's head... and there both adorable! WHY?!?!?!
Disney. Disnye. o3o
Cause Simba's parents fed him on the idea that he was the real Kimba. (Omd I'm stealing TakeItForGranted's plotline XD)
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Didnt realize this before but yeah it does sound like they stole!!!!!!!!!!!! Disney- GET YOUR OWN IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know huh? o3o
May i use?
use what? Not the pictures or animation, but you can use the audio, idea and project notes.
(view all replies)can i use the song? I like it
I cut it up. ask EvieRules13.
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(view all replies)I completely agree with you. There is very solid proof that Disney stole Kimba. I mean, seriously, "During planning sessions for The Lion King, Simba started out as a white lion until one of the animators spoke up: 'Not even OUR lawyers are THAT good!'" That just makes me... I mean, seriously.
eh, you can make that, and you can use the project notes, but don't steal the animation please .3.
(view all replies)indeed. How about that the animators held up stills from Kimba for comparison to their own work? xc
(view all replies)that was awesome the end was funny lol
lol
I love your new icon xD
ty o3o
I read that whole description, and me tinkz you right-sounding, but me never heardzez of Kimba. I think Disney has a major problem with female antagonists, though, unless they are makin a princess movie.
so true.
yeh.
TLK is awesome! I dont know what you people are talking about when you say Disney stole it. I seriously doubt it! I grew up with disney! So did my mom and my dad! And if Disney did steal it who cares? It was made in Japan. Were not Japenese were American. So believe what you want to. You can't make everyone think your way.
(view all replies)That's great. I'm sure those of us who enjoy scratch appreciate it.
oh, right. I'm supposed to just leave what's left alone. Look, if you're going to act this way your entire life, I can assure you, you won't get far. If you're not going to post anything that isn't discriminative or cruel, then keep your mouth shut, understand?
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(view all replies)I agree, that is really offencive! Are you saying just because he's japanese that it's okay to steal from him??
I never really liked Disney in the first place. But this is just wrong. I have a friend who is really obsessed with Osamu Tezuka and just hearing this makes me sad. Sad for Disney, for stooping to such low levels as copying another's original work.
oh gad, I love you X3 Say hi to your friend for me, since I'm overly obsessed with Tezuka's works.
(view all replies)Hey there :DD And I know this already. how do I loveit?
dang D:
(view all replies)TakeIt! :DDD You made a Scratch account! :D
(view all replies)i agree with you! yeah...stealing i think so too!
INDEED! INDEED!
Sweet animation. P.S. i'm not the best speller.
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Not saying I don't enjoy Kimba, cause I would like to watch the TV show, it's just that the movie didn't work for me. Plus I grew up on TLK and that movie was the biginning for me to want to make movies. Lion King 1 and 2 are awsome and are my top favorite movies. Lion King 1 and 1/2 was OK.....for a sequel thingy.
But don't you see? Kids grow up on this stuff, having no idea it's purely a scam. It's revolting.
Also some of this Simba Vs. Kinba might be more of a conspericy theory. Soloman said that there is nothing new under the sun. Plus the whole, Kimba's aunt, Simba's uncle simularity thing is just because Disney based the Lion King from Hamlet. But the two scenes do look simular. And even if Lion King is a copy, that doesn't cause me to enjoy it anyless.
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two scenes-trahaha. Yea, um. There's the dangling from the cliff scene, the thron bush scene, the jutted rock scene, the stampede scene.. which one are YOU talking about?
(view all replies)Personally I enjoyed the Lion King more then Jungle Emporer Leo, both of the lion parents died in that one, leaving the cubs all alone(But I guess the older human that survived the movie takes care of them)
yeah, well, Emporer Leo was kindof a fail. I prefer the version that Tezuka was alive to do.
I saw the Jungle Emperor Leo Movie(Was the altult white lion supposed to be Kimba? Cuase the cub wasn't named Kinba, plus the mother looked like the lioness cub from the TV series, I havn't seen the series, but I saw on the back of one of the Kinba VSH tapes there was a lioness, but looked different from the one in the movie.)
yes?
** named Kimba
*adult white lion
Oh, and its a known fact that loins have black on their ears.
(view all replies)good for you.
I'm looking at a picture right now, and there is no ear-rim! Ask TakeItForGranted.
(view all replies)both online and off :3
(view all replies)you keep sayin' it, but it just ain't so D8
(view all replies)I like both the Lion King and Kimba though ^^
Still, The Lion King had over seven thousand people working on the animation, and Kimba had like, twelve. X3
(view all replies)But the lion king IS Kimba D:
(view all replies)I think they were trying to make an American version of Kimba. But they should have asked, and cleared it out with the Kimba creators.
With Tezuka. Yeah. It's still wrong.
Someone copyed (link to project)
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(view all replies)CX Kimba? Simba? Seriosly? XD Coinidence? I don't think so. X3
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you didn't do it D:<
use your power of having eighty nine accounts. DO IT.
(view all replies)HEY, YO.
did u get all the music and stuff from the superstar corgi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6rUR6XFlQ
www.listentoyoutube.com
yes.
It's a song.
(view all replies)cause the camera stuff and all sounds the same and it ends like at same spot, atleast it sounds like it ends at same spot
LOL! THAT IS FUNNY! (even though i like the lion king...) BUT I WAS SCARED OF IT WHEN I WAS LITTLE!
Yaaay :D
(view all replies)this person stole it!! (link to project)
OMG!!!!!!!!!! STOLEN!!!!!!!!!! I wish u could actually sue them but the prob is they could get so many lawyers!!!!!!!!!!!! urgh how annoying how much money they can use for lawyers
IKR. Tezuka's son is afraid of sueing them. If someone makes a movie Kimba the white lion then Disney would sue them, probably.
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SPAZ lady o3o
Disney copies so many things,they copied this and they copied all that and the amanda show to make so random,so random is so stupidCX
Copied 'The incredibles' o3o or was that dreamworks? XD
(view all replies)Neato!
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(view all replies)Oh, don't forget how both Scar and Bubu are alike in that A) They both have scars and B) They both have hyena lackies. (But I just got this info on Wikipedia so if that's wrong srry)
Ohgosh XDD
er... Claw. Claw, not Bubu XD
(view all replies)OK I just looked up Kimba on Wikipedia and Simba totally copied it. I didn't even ever watch Kimba (But I will it looks cool) but just from reading the similarities...its pretty obvious.
i watch kimba. or at least watched.
Yup.
wait when did the lion king come out again? because... i know walt disney would never do that (the person)
The first one came out in 1994.
(view all replies)Do a bio on Osamu Tezuka next X3 they're tres similar
(view all replies)Hurr hurr he was long dead by then.
(view all replies)my mom used to watch kimba as a saturday morning cartoon when she was a kid. so i know all about the simba scandal. but you should have killed simba in this.
BURRRGhh fff-I want to kill him I love the second movie when Zeera sings :D
LOL! Luv it!<3 it's funnny!:D
tanks 8O
I ment kool
I`ve seen both Kimba and Simba, TLK is better made, but Kimba is better and first...
I agree. But then again, Disney had over seven thousand workers and Leo had like... twelve XD
Kimba? Simba? What are you talking about? Are you saying that they took Kimba and turned it into Simba? If you are, it's not true. Simba means Lion, so they probably did a stupid thing and named their talking lion Lion!
pfft XD XD obviously you haven't read or looked at anything. Just cause they named him 'SIMBA' barely matters if you look at ALL the freakng things they copied. I mean, they could at least give an 'inspired by' in the credits.