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Brazilian Protests - #ChangeBrazil

If you have seen the news in the past days, maybe you read about those protests happening in Brazil.

I thought it would be a good idea to post a thread about it. This is a real revolution in here. People are going to the street, asking for their rights, waiting for justice.

Read some articles about it.

The New York Times wrote:

Protests Widen as Brazilians Chide Leaders
By SIMON ROMERO
Published: June 18, 2013


SÃO PAULO, Brazil — Shaken by the biggest challenge to their authority in years, Brazil’s leaders made conciliatory gestures on Tuesday to try to defuse the protests engulfing the nation’s cities. But the demonstrators remained defiant, pouring into the streets by the thousands and venting their anger over political corruption, the high cost of living and huge public spending for the World Cup and the Olympics.

In a convulsion that has caught many in Brazil and beyond by surprise, waves of protesters denounced their leaders for dedicating so many resources to cultivating Brazil’s global image by building stadiums for international events, when basic services like education and health care remain woefully inadequate.

“I love soccer, but we need schools,” said Evaldir Cardoso, 48, a fireman at a protest here with his 7-month-old son.

The demonstrations initially began with a fury over a hike in bus fares, but as with many other protest movements in recent years — in Tunisia, Egypt or, most recently, Turkey — they quickly evolved into a much broader condemnation of the government.

By the time politicians in several cities backed down on Tuesday and announced that they would cut or consider reducing fares, the demonstrations had already morphed into a more sweeping social protest, with marchers waving banners carrying slogans like “The people have awakened.”

“It all seemed so wonderful in the Brazil oasis, and suddenly we are reliving the demonstrations of Tahrir Square in Cairo, so suddenly, without warning, without a crescendo,” said Eliane Cantanhêde, a columnist for the newspaper Folha de São Paulo. “We were all caught by surprise. From paradise, we have slipped at least into limbo. What is happening in Brazil?”

Thousands gathered at São Paulo’s main cathedral and made their way to the mayor’s office, where a small group smashed windows and tried to break in, forcing guards to withdraw.

In Juazeiro do Norte, demonstrators cornered the mayor inside a bank for hours and called for his impeachment, while thousands of others protested teachers’ salaries. In Rio de Janeiro, thousands protested in a gritty area far from the city’s upscale seaside districts. In other cities, demonstrators blocked roads, barged into City Council meetings or interrupted sessions of local lawmakers, clapping loudly and sometimes taking over the microphone.

(…)

The protests in Brazil are unfolding just as its long and heralded economic boom may be coming to an end. The economy has slowed to a pale shadow of its growth in recent years; inflation is high, the currency is declining sharply against the dollar — but the expectations of Brazilians have rarely been higher, feeding broad intolerance with corruption, bad schools and other government failings.

ABC News wrote:

5 Reasons Why Brazil Is Protesting
By SANTIAGO WILLS
June 18, 2013


(…) For more than a week now thousands of protesters in Brazil have fought violent battles against riot police. The demonstrations, started in Sao Paulo by a political group called the Movimento Passe Livre (Free Fare Movement), have spread across at least five cities. And the group's initial objective – to revert a recent hike in public transportation prices – has given leftist organizations and university students a reason to shine a light on larger social issues like corruption.

This broader movement has been alternately dubbed the Revolta da Salada (The Salad Revolution), the Revolta do Vinagre (The Vinegar Revolution), and V for Vinagre, after a Brazilian journalist who was arrested for carrying vinegar to ward off the effects of tear gas used during protests.

So what exactly was the final straw? There wasn't just one. Here are five key reasons that led to the revolt we're seeing in Brazil today:

1. Public Transportation Prices

The recent 10-cent increase in bus and subway fare has been cited in most news accounts as the leading motive behind the week's brutal clashes. The issue is constantly highlighted by the Free Fare Movement, and it is the only item in this list that protesters can actually hope to change.

“People are demanding a single thing, a clear and specific one, which is to repeal the increase,” Caio Martins, a 19-year-old history student who belongs to the Free Fare Movement, told Brazilian newspaper Folha de Sau Paulo. “To negotiate something different than what the population wants would be a betrayal.”

2. The Combined Costs of the World Cup and the Confederations Cup

Demonstrators have started targeting soccer stadiums in Brasilia and Rio de Janeiro as part of an effort to raise awareness about the extraordinary amounts of money the government has on 12 stadiums to host the World Cup and the Confederations Cup. Taxpayers are footing the bill in spite of promises that private enterprise would cover it.

“We are demanding more respect to the population,” Vinicius de Assis, 21, a protester in Rio, told the Associated Press. “They are building these overpriced stadiums and are not worrying about the situation of their own people.”

The total cost of the buildings has tripled since the initial 2007 estimates. It currently stands at around $3.68 billion, nearly twice what Germany spent on their World Cup preparations.

Demonstrators point out that no one is quite sure about what will happen with the stadiums once the competitions are over.

3. Police Brutality

As most Latin Americans know, violence, or the threat of violence, hardly prevents further protests. In fact, police brutality is often viewed as a valid reason to protest more. Certainly, the Brazil demonstrations have been rife with the kind of incidents that encourage indignation.

Hundreds of protesters have been arrested, and more than 55 were wounded just last Thursday in Sao Paulo. Brazil's defense minister has acknowledged that the police have acted “arbitrarily and violently,” and there are countless YouTube videos that show officers in riot gear using tear gas and rubber bullets against peaceful demonstrators. Protesters have vowed to increase rallies in response to this.

4. Corruption

Brazil is ranked 69 out of 176 in Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index. Though that is relatively good when compared with the rest of Latin America, Brazil still has significant corruption problems, as demonstrated by the recent shooting of a newspaper director in a town outside of Rio.

There have also been massive scandals involving prominent businessmen and influential government employees. More worrying is that politicians have considerable discretionary spending benefits when they are elected. Elected officials can spend thousands of dollars on airline tickets, housing expenses and several other perks.

“The recent uprising that is spurring in Brazil is not an act of unwarranted violence and it is not gratuitous vandalism,” according to the leaders of the #ChangeBrazil movement “It is what happens when a society is forced to put up with the ludicrous, nonsensical laws that are created exclusively to benefit the lawmakers themselves.”

5. The Economy

In effect, it all arguably boils down to Brazil's recent economic slowdown. In the past year, inflation has steadily climbed to 6.5 percent, affecting mostly poor families.

More than the slow growth in income, poor families also lack decent access to education and employment, according to the Brazilian government's Family Development Index.

Brazil's economy grew 1.9 percent in this year's first quarter, 0.5 percent below last year's predictions. The government raised the minimum wage by nearly 9 percent this year, but the price of transportation and other basic services remain disproportionately high.

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Economic turmoil coupled with social unrest tends to breed more social disturbances, and Brazilian authorities will continue to be faced with a massive challenge as the World Cup puts a spotlight on more than this country's hosting efforts.

In my opinion, this must keep going, but I've seen on TV that some of the protesters are using violence, which is what I don't support. They need to fight for their rights pacifically, because there are a lot of wrong things happening in this country. The World Cup isn't the problem at all, but the governement used the population's money to build some stadiums. They also forced poor people to leave their homes, in onder to make room for those stadiums.


Discuss about it. But please be respectful to everyone's opinion.

Last edited by NoxSpooth (June 21, 2013 20:26:26)

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Oh, and there's another protest happening right now.

Last edited by NoxSpooth (June 20, 2013 22:03:08)

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Bump…

More than 100 cities protested today. I hope Brazil finally progresses, like it's written on its flag.

Last edited by NoxSpooth (June 21, 2013 01:15:35)

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NoxSpooth
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MORE PROTESTS GOING ON AT THIS VERY MOMENT!!

There's one happening near my school, and another one near my house!
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Wait, you're from Brazil?

Anyway, I find pretty stupid that the government is seemingly putting consumer entertainment - the World Cup - in a higher priority than essential services such as transportation. Great to see people are so unified to do something about it, and I can totally relate to it, given the protests for education here in Chile, which I've supported a bit. Wish you guys the best of luck c:

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technoguyx wrote:

Wait, you're from Brazil?
Yep.
Anyway, I find pretty stupid that the government is seemingly putting consumer entertainment - the World Cup - in a higher priority than essential services such as transportation.
Yes, indeed. Not just transportation, but also health, economy, education…

And what really annoys me is that the most popular TV channel here doesn't even talk about the protests! And when they do, it's to criticize them, completely hiding the violent acts made by the police!

Great to see people are so unified to do something about it, and I can totally relate to it, given the protests for education here in Chile, which I've supported a bit. Wish you guys the best of luck c:

Thank you for the support, and I also wish you guys the best of luck in Chile!
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This is really bad, I remember the London riots. Everyone kept asking me if I was affected by the riots, but there were never any nearby - though this seems alot more bigger.

Is everything ok where you are, NoxSpooth?

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NoxSpooth wrote:

And what really annoys me is that the most popular TV channel here doesn't even talk about the protests! And when they do, it's to criticize them, completely hiding the violent acts made by the police!
yeah this is a really big problem
this is somewhat unrelated but there are mass protests going on in turkey, and the turkish government has ties to the uk media so nothing is being reported
there was actually a >10k strong protest in hyde park the other week (im shady on all these details so correct me if im wrong) and nothing was said about it

NeilWest wrote:

This is really bad, I remember the London riots. Everyone kept asking me if I was affected by the riots, but there were never any nearby - though this seems alot more bigger.
yeah this is a lot bigger (and quite a bit more noble too)
the uk riots started off as peaceful protests against police brutality, but quickly spiralled into a shallow display of looting that the media was eager to broadcast as much as humanly possible to demonise any mention of protests
on the other hand, the last march i went to (as in political march, not the month), was broadcasted as little as possible, considering it had the shadow prime minister (is that the correct term?), some highup greenpeace person, and all the highranking members of tuc involved in speeches, but in regards to road closures, roads that were nowhere near the march route were shut down, and for pretty much the entire day, while the marching mustve taken around four hours, at most

so anyway, some thoughts on uk protesting here, though this isnt anything to do with the topic, to be honest


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The protests have an amazing point.
The minimum wage in Brazil is something like £50 per day, and the bus cost for a trip to work something like £3. (The costs ARE NOT ACCURATE.)
Then they raise the bus cost to £4, leaving lots less money to support the family on. Now stuff like smuggling rare birds is going to be much more common. I know how bad some accomodation is (would you live in a house that had corrugated metal for a roof?) due to seeing Rio.

Last edited by chocolatepenguin (June 22, 2013 18:53:54)


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chocolatepenguin wrote:

The minimum wage in Brazil is something like £50
this doesnt make much sense unless you put fifty pounds per what
also minimum wage of a typical uk 9-5 day is £55.71
however, the monthly minimum wage in brazil is £179.45
regardless, monthly minimum wage seems fundamentally flawed


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libitina wrote:

chocolatepenguin wrote:

The minimum wage in Brazil is something like £50
this doesnt make much sense unless you put fifty pounds per what
also minimum wage of a typical uk 9-5 day is £55.71
however, the monthly minimum wage in brazil is £179.45
regardless, monthly minimum wage seems fundamentally flawed
My point is that the bus cost is taking up most of the wage now.

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regarding the costs of hosting the world cup, would they not make the money back through tourism and the sales of tickets, merchandise etc.?

edit: okay, according to this, in the south africa world cup then they spent £3 billion and got back £323 million. so it looks like they don't make the money back then

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NeilWest wrote:

This is really bad, I remember the London riots. Everyone kept asking me if I was affected by the riots, but there were never any nearby - though this seems alot more bigger.

Is everything ok where you are, NoxSpooth?

Near me, yes. But there were violent protests in some other states of my country.

RedRocker227 wrote:

regarding the costs of hosting the world cup, would they not make the money back through tourism and the sales of tickets, merchandise etc.?
You may be right, But the problem is that the politicians steal the money for them, and a lot of inexperienced people are administrating my country. Did you know that a guy who's wanted by the Interpol still works in the National Congress?

Last edited by NoxSpooth (June 22, 2013 20:19:59)

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Are they still going on?

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