Stop banning users unfairly.

Blaze349

TheHockeyist wrote:
Firedrake969 wrote:
Then appeal, saying you want to make another account. Let them know.
Whenever I appealed, I said that I wanted that account back. If the appeal failed, appeal again. If the mods ignore me, wait a few months and make another account. Rinse and repeat. But anyway, the mods don't hate me now, but the problem is I'm still vulnerable.

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seanbobe

what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.

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seanbobe wrote:
what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.

It was for a ban evasion. (Please don't kill me…) But I'm on the mods' “good side” now.

Last edited by TheHockeyist (July 8, 2014 14:37:44)

northmeister

You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.

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Dreamo

TheHockeyist wrote:
Firedrake969 wrote:
Then appeal, saying you want to make another account. Let them know.
Whenever I appealed, I said that I wanted that account back. If the appeal failed, appeal again. If the mods ignore me, wait a few months and make another account. Rinse and repeat. But anyway, the mods don't hate me now, but the problem is I'm still vulnerable.

Support. I feel bad for you. Just wondering, did you leave the pianist account just because you didn't like the username, or was it a block/ban? (I don't mean to pry)

Deerleg

northmeister wrote:
You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.

Good point.
But I do agree that it is not fair to blame someone for their actions a year ago. On the other hand, has all evidence of you spamming been erased? Someone might see it and report you then.

TheHockeyist

Dreamo wrote:
TheHockeyist wrote:
Firedrake969 wrote:
Then appeal, saying you want to make another account. Let them know.
Whenever I appealed, I said that I wanted that account back. If the appeal failed, appeal again. If the mods ignore me, wait a few months and make another account. Rinse and repeat. But anyway, the mods don't hate me now, but the problem is I'm still vulnerable.
Support. I feel bad for you. Just wondering, did you leave the pianist account just because you didn't like the username, or was it a block/ban? (I don't mean to pry)

I just hated my username.

Deerleg wrote:
northmeister wrote:
You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.
Good point.
But I do agree that it is not fair to blame someone for their actions a year ago. On the other hand, has all evidence of you spamming been erased? Someone might see it and report you then.

They have removed it, however as I said, I'm still vulnerable.

northmeister wrote:
You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.

Again, the original account's ban is permanent and the account was deleted. I wanted to rejoin the community, so I had to create another account.

Last edited by TheHockeyist (July 8, 2014 16:30:13)

turkey3

Agree. Extremely old mistakes of the past currently reported should not be taken into account for a ban. BTW were you that user with the Canadian logo? Dvd4 of something?

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TheHockeyist

turkey3 wrote:
Agree. Extremely old mistakes of the past currently reported should not be taken into account for a ban. BTW were you that user with the Canadian logo? Dvd4 of something?

Me? No.

dracae

turkey3 wrote:
Agree. Extremely old mistakes of the past currently reported should not be taken into account for a ban. BTW were you that user with the Canadian logo? Dvd4 of something?

Ooooooh I remember Dvd4… Ah the memories…

joshuaho

northmeister wrote:
You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.

Lets put it this way. Would it be fair for the Scratch Team to continue banning you even if you agreed to follow the Community Guidelines? While it is not ok to evade a ban, it would not be fair for a user to continue to get banned even after he/she changed…

I have made mean comments before. Yes.. I have. I named and shamed a user, defended a spammer. I said to someone who said to a spammer “So? Why does it offend you when someone spammed?” Now I feel bad. I was not reported, but it really feels bad for the mean comments I made before. Now imagine that I got banned for past mistakes. I would not only regret that I made the comments, I would feel even more terrible to get banned.

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derpmeup

Sonickyle wrote:
they-might-be-cats wrote:
joshuaho wrote:
I do agree with this… You have my support.
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klomaster10

1ce_k1d wrote:
Maybe we can make a ‘suspicious’ mode, achieved by what TheHockeyist was describing.
Anyone who is under suspicious mode will be checked up on every week or so, but will gain near unlimited usage of Scratch. If criminal activity is done under suspicion, they will be banned permanently.
Could we do that?

I think this is probably the best way to solve this. Although the words “criminal activity” is a bit harsh.

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Firedrake969

joshuaho wrote:
northmeister wrote:
You're complaining that you were banned for evading a ban (which is against the rules)? You're saying that's unfair? Whatever the circumstances, doing this is not allowed without permission so your ban was fully justified.
Lets put it this way. Would it be fair for the Scratch Team to continue banning you even if you agreed to follow the Community Guidelines? While it is not ok to evade a ban, it would not be fair for a user to continue to get banned even after he/she changed…

I have made mean comments before. Yes.. I have. I named and shamed a user, defended a spammer. I said to someone who said to a spammer “So? Why does it offend you when someone spammed?” Now I feel bad. I was not reported, but it really feels bad for the mean comments I made before. Now imagine that I got banned for past mistakes. I would not only regret that I made the comments, I would feel even more terrible to get banned.

There is a large difference between saying sorry and continuing and continuing, then saying sorry.

Also, if you don't mind, what did you put in your appeal? If it was basically asking for an account back with no reasons of why you want it back and what you'd do in the future, they wouldn't bother with the appeal.

Last edited by Firedrake969 (July 10, 2014 13:19:02)

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TheHockeyist

Firedrake969 wrote:
Also, if you don't mind, what did you put in your appeal? If it was basically asking for an account back with no reasons of why you want it back and what you'd do in the future, they wouldn't bother with the appeal.

I asked for my account back with reasons why I wanted it back and also that I understood that my behavior was bad and why it should have changed. And the ST looked at my appeals. Mine went “rejected, ignored, rejected, ignored, rejected, IP banned, accepted with a harsh warning, accepted with a less harsh warning”.

Chainmanner

TheHockeyist wrote:
seanbobe wrote:
what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.
It was for a ban evasion. (Please don't kill me…) But I'm on the mods' “good side” now.

I agree with you that judgement based on past actions is really, really stupid, but evading a ban is much riskier than sitting and discussing it with moderators.

TheHockeyist

Chainmanner wrote:
TheHockeyist wrote:
seanbobe wrote:
what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.
It was for a ban evasion. (Please don't kill me…) But I'm on the mods' “good side” now.
I agree with you that judgement based on past actions is really, really stupid, but evading a ban is much riskier than sitting and discussing it with moderators.

I discussed it with them before creating a new account.

Braeden5454

Chainmanner wrote:
TheHockeyist wrote:
seanbobe wrote:
what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.
It was for a ban evasion. (Please don't kill me…) But I'm on the mods' “good side” now.
I agree with you that judgement based on past actions is really, really stupid, but evading a ban is much riskier than sitting and discussing it with moderators.

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TheHockeyist

Braeden5454 wrote:
Chainmanner wrote:
TheHockeyist wrote:
seanbobe wrote:
what did the reason for ban say? the ban might have been for ban evasion. not your earlier actions. the 1hr ban may have been because someone thought that you changing accounts was ban evasion.
It was for a ban evasion. (Please don't kill me…) But I'm on the mods' “good side” now.
I agree with you that judgement based on past actions is really, really stupid, but evading a ban is much riskier than sitting and discussing it with moderators.
What if your standing and tlaking to them?

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