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ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

How do we get rid of unwanted fame?

Fame isn't a bad thing by itself, but it becomes bad if abused/misused. That's why I want to discuss some ways we can reduce or discourage the want for fame without eliminating the good side of it. I understand it won't be easy, but allow me to present my ideas, some moderate, some radical:

Solution 1: Elimination of Following
This is the most radical solution, but if Scratchers don't get to follow anyone, there won't be any reason to get famous this way. In fact, since when is someone famous for the number of followers they have? I understand lots of you will hate this idea because you don't get to keep in touch with your friends, but I'm sure you can find ways around this. This will stop the creation of accounts that are made for following “everyone” (obviously, that's impossible), as well as render the current ones useless.
Supporters:

Solution 2: Allow the Reporting of Comments that Request for Followers
I think some of us have had enough of users begging for followers on others' profiles, so we should be allowed to report this type of spam. Say a user has spammed “follow me” on 5 profiles, all are reported, so the user gets a one-day mute from Scratch, disabling them from commenting. Then he/she receives an alert that says “Please do not let fame distract you from programming” or something like that. Continuous spamming may result in longer mutes and/or temporary bans.
Supporters: firedrake969, Zaneki, mitchboy, joshuaho, Centrifugal, darkness3560, A-no-meep, cobraguy, billybobscratch, davidkt, BigBlueBlock, Poosheku, PhirripSyrrip, 1234abcdcba4321, AonymousGuy, GyroscopeBill, Deerleg, VoltageGames, savaka

Solution 3: Cap the Number of Users you can Follow *Updated*
I believe there should be a limit as to how many people the user can follow. It must be set high enough to allow for people to follow everyone they want to follow, but also low enough to discourage over-following. I'd say a good starting limit would be 250 users any one person can follow, but the limit can be changed with the consent everyone. THIS DOES NOT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF FOLLOWERS SOME ONE CAN HAVE.
Supporters:

Solution 4: Limit the Number of Users You can Follow Each Day
Similar to solution 3, but this affects how many users someone can follow in 24 hours. I'd say that the limit should be 10 people to follow a day (this is subject to change if you have a better limit). After they've followed the limit, they must wait 24 hours before following more. There are very little repercussions with this method, so I'd say it's the best solution we have.
Supporters: firedrake969, Zaneki, Mokat, turkey3, joshuaho, Centrifugal, darkness3560, A-no-meep, cobraguy, davidkt, BigBlueBlock, 1234abcdcba4321, AonymousGuy, GyroscopeBill, Deerleg, VoltageGames, savaka

Solution 5: Adding a “Popularity” Rule to the Community Guidelines
Courtesy of stevetheipad, this suggests that a change, either a totally new point or a small rewriting of words, be made to the CG's. By referring to the etiquette of Scratch for the regulation of fame, Scratchers will be less interested in turning Scratch into a social network and more interested in expanding the popularity of Scratch around the world.
Supporters: stevetheipad, BigBlueBlock, Poosheku, mitchboy, PhirripSyrrip, AonymousGuy, Firedrake969(?), savaka

I support 1, as you could easily do without it by periodically checking the user's page.

I support 2, except the mute would apply to the FORUMS, PROJECT NOTES, AND INSTRUCTIONS ON SHARED PROJECTS. And first mute would last 3 days.

I support 3, except the cap should be 25.

I support 4, with a cap of 3 follows a day.

I support 5, just say love/fave/follow only users that you like. And if someone asks you to follow them arbitrarily (not as part of a collab they were in), they could be banned for 1 day (after a warning), multiplying by 2 every time the person broke this point. And after the ban exceeded, say, 15 days, they would be permanently banned. If they made a new account and proceeded with the asking for follows, then they would be IP banned. This ban could be removed if the user that was asked for follow confirmed they were a friend, said that they were going to follow them but forgot, etc.

3sal2 wrote:

I support 3 and 4. Change the limit to 50 500 followers, with up to 3 new followers a day.

Edit: And #2 as well.

Sorry, but you cannot follow more than 500 Scratchers at a time.

Sorry, but you cannot follow more than 3 Scratchers a day. View log

Sorry, but you cannot follow more than 10 Scratchers a week. View log

Sorry, but you cannot follow more than 30 Scratchers a month. View log

Sorry, but you cannot follow more than 100 Scratchers a year. View log

ProdigyZeta7 wrote:

Solution 2,
Solution 4,
and Solution 5

Nonfixing Siders
These people are on different sides. For example, in this one is the people who think the fame is good, and bad. These people do not try to solve the problem at all, but they tell about it.

Indecisive/Don't Cares
The people who think it is a problem, or it doesn't need to happen, or they are just not on a side.

Attempting to Fix Siders
These people are siders, but they attempt to fix the problem. These people are good.

gxl wrote:

I do not think you should have a cap on how many users someone can follow.
Personally, I dislike following more than 150 followers, but that's just me.
There are plenty of users who follow loads of scratchers and there doesn't seem to be a problem. You seem to be forgetting about users that have been on scratch for many years, and are therefore more likely to be over the suggested limit.

Another thing, I do not see Follow for a Follow users as a threat or problem.
I don't understand why people are bothered about this sort of thing. It can easily be ignored. It's always going to happen. There is nothing we can do to stop this. Anyway, if someone did get insanely popular by these means, I'm sure we'd all notice. -.-

But it's nice to see that you're addressing the issue and suggesting solutions.

luiysia wrote:

I got this funny meme from google images. I think it's about dota 2, but it kind of applies here too (win=high follower count).


if people like accumulating followers, then who are we to stop them they'll have decent careers as advertisers in the future

edit: also, the other problem with stopping this kind of stuff, is that this is really really common in other sites like deviantart or facebook, so it would take constant vigilance to prevent it from leaking back in. it's such a petty problem that I doubt it's actually worth the effort.

luiysia wrote:

I got this funny meme from google images. I think it's about dota 2, but it kind of applies here too (win=high follower count).


if people like accumulating followers, then who are we to stop them they'll have decent careers as advertisers in the future

edit: also, the other problem with stopping this kind of stuff, is that this is really really common in other sites like deviantart or facebook, so it would take constant vigilance to prevent it from leaking back in. it's such a petty problem that I doubt it's actually worth the effort.

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

luiysia wrote:

I got this funny meme from google images. I think it's about dota 2, but it kind of applies here too (win=high follower count).


if people like accumulating followers, then who are we to stop them they'll have decent careers as advertisers in the future

edit: also, the other problem with stopping this kind of stuff, is that this is really really common in other sites like deviantart or facebook, so it would take constant vigilance to prevent it from leaking back in. it's such a petty problem that I doubt it's actually worth the effort.

Saying that following = winning could not be anymore wrong. This fame thing is making people forget that Scratch is not about fame, but about LEARNING. If you learn code, that's winning, not becoming the most famous guy on Scratch.

DemCupcakesYo wrote:

luiysia wrote:

I got this funny meme from google images. I think it's about dota 2, but it kind of applies here too (win=high follower count).


if people like accumulating followers, then who are we to stop them they'll have decent careers as advertisers in the future

edit: also, the other problem with stopping this kind of stuff, is that this is really really common in other sites like deviantart or facebook, so it would take constant vigilance to prevent it from leaking back in. it's such a petty problem that I doubt it's actually worth the effort.

Saying that following = winning could not be anymore wrong. This fame thing is making people forget that Scratch is not about fame, but about LEARNING. If you learn code, that's winning, not becoming the most famous guy on Scratch.

comments
followers
love its
favorites
forums
views
and individual accounts (people may like one account too much)

QuantumPixel wrote:

Say there's this basketball court somewhere. Some kids go there to play basketball, like it's supposed to be used, and some people take advantage of the extra room to play d&d or something like that. Some of the basketball kids think that the board games are pointless and should go somewhere else, like a comic book store. The basketball kids have a point, because the basketball court is supposed to be used for basketball, but the D&D kids have a right to be there too, because it's not against the rules. Plus, sometimes the D&D kids join in to play basketball.

This is just like Scratch:
Basketball court-scratch community
Basketball kids-project makers and programmers
D&D kids-followers
Comic book store= facebook, twitter, etc…