Scratch App for iOS

garnetluvcookie

(note: this is a very controversial and heated discussion, so leave if you don't want to get caught in it)

(note: I have very strong feelings about what devices to use, so this may sound a bit like a rant)

Mobile users are downgraded every day. I've seen very rude comments about mobile users like "mobile people suck and they don't deserve to be here". Android devices have the Scratch App, so why not iOS? Some people want to get the offline editor without having to spend thousands of dollars (note: I am not exaggerating, a MacBook Pro costs 1,200 USD or something around that) on getting a computer just to get it.
So what I'm proposing is that the Scratch Team makes a Scratch app for iOS. There would be some restrictions, as I'm sure with the Android app. (another note: I do not own any android devices, I'm just guessing) You wouldn't be able to make cloud variables, or use the backpack. You could upload them to the website like you do on the PC/Mac offline editors, but it would have more tweaks, which I will make a mockup of soon.

Opinions?

-garnet

Last edited by garnetluvcookie (June 20, 2020 13:56:37)

thr565ono

Sorry, but this won't happen.

Apple (who make iPhones) has already rejected Scratch (they don't allow many coding apps) and would not add it to the App Store.

Therefore it is impossible for the scratch team to make it happen (unless they make the editor responsive for safari)

garnetluvcookie

thr565ono wrote:
Sorry, but this won't happen.

Apple (who make iPhones) has already rejected Scratch (they don't allow many coding apps) and would not add it to the App Store.

Therefore it is impossible for the scratch team to make it happen (unless they make the editor responsive for safari)

Hmmm…. That's a lie. I looked at the App Store and searched “coding” There were 100+ apps.

fdreerf

2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.

-App Store Review Guidelines

ThatOneWeirdDude

fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines

so basically apple hates education and loves making people spend 1,000 a year for the same phone with a new feature in the camera.
cool

--Explosion--

garnetluvcookie wrote:
(note: I am not exaggerating, a MacBook Pro costs 1,200 USD or something around that) on getting a computer just to get it.

Well, a sharger is $80 and you need that, you're also going to need a $60 adapter so that it actually has a USB port, and then more if you want the apps that are included in windows…

Madcatofdoom

fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines

Scratch is one of them, on MacOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes an mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.

garnetluvcookie

Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on MacOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes an mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.

t a b l e t s. I know that it's actually iPadOS, but for some odd reason I still call it iOS.

fdreerf

Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on MacOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes an mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.

Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.

garnetluvcookie

fdreerf wrote:
Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on macOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes a mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.
Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.

If ScratchJr got an app, why not Scratch! Is Apple saying “Babies matter more than teens and tweens; we can just DUMP their app and let the little ones in”

ThatOneWeirdDude

garnetluvcookie wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on macOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes a mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.
Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.
If ScratchJr got an app, why not Scratch! Is Apple saying “Babies matter more than teens and tweens; we can just DUMP their app and let the little ones in”

Maybe because you can't download or install code, and the code on the app isn't real code, just blocks.

mrCamelCase

garnetluvcookie wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on macOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes a mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.
Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.
If ScratchJr got an app, why not Scratch! Is Apple saying “Babies matter more than teens and tweens; we can just DUMP their app and let the little ones in”

Unfortunately, this is out of the ST's control. I have no idea what exactly Apple based their decision on, and I agree that in an ideal world, there would be a Scratch App for iOS. However, Apple is the ultimate authority when it comes to their app store, so if they say no, that's it. It's a no.

garnetluvcookie

ThatOneWeirdDude wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on macOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes a mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.
Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.
If ScratchJr got an app, why not Scratch! Is Apple saying “Babies matter more than teens and tweens; we can just DUMP their app and let the little ones in”
Maybe because you can't download or install code, and the code on the app isn't real code, just blocks.

So you're saying that Scratch isn't real code. If it wasn't real code, could we make animations here? No. Could we make games? No. Could we make art here? NO. All its purpose would be the forums, and a good bit of them would be kicked out! Scratch is coding, just under blocks.

garnetluvcookie

mrCamelCase wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
Madcatofdoom wrote:
fdreerf wrote:
2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app, including other apps. Educational apps designed to teach, develop, or allow students to test executable code may, in limited circumstances, download code provided that such code is not used for other purposes. Such apps must make the source code provided by the Application completely viewable and editable by the user.
-App Store Review Guidelines
Scratch is one of them, on macOS at least, so there is no reason, with the proper authorization, that if Scratch ever makes a mobile app designed for phones, it shouldn't be available on iOS.
Read the italicized part.
I don't know what those limited circumstances are, but it might affect Scratch's presence on a desktop rather than mobile.
If ScratchJr got an app, why not Scratch! Is Apple saying “Babies matter more than teens and tweens; we can just DUMP their app and let the little ones in”

Unfortunately, this is out of the ST's control. I have no idea what exactly Apple based their decision on, and I agree that in an ideal world, there would be a Scratch App for iOS. However, Apple is the ultimate authority when it comes to their app store, so if they say no, that's it. It's a no.

They can always re-apply.

mrCamelCase

garnetluvcookie wrote:
mrCamelCase wrote:
-snip-

Unfortunately, this is out of the ST's control. I have no idea what exactly Apple based their decision on, and I agree that in an ideal world, there would be a Scratch App for iOS. However, Apple is the ultimate authority when it comes to their app store, so if they say no, that's it. It's a no.
They can always re-apply.

If the app is unchanged it will have the same result.

garnetluvcookie

mrCamelCase wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
mrCamelCase wrote:
-snip-

Unfortunately, this is out of the ST's control. I have no idea what exactly Apple based their decision on, and I agree that in an ideal world, there would be a Scratch App for iOS. However, Apple is the ultimate authority when it comes to their app store, so if they say no, that's it. It's a no.
They can always re-apply.

If the app is unchanged it will have the same result.

They can change things.

KittyFireSt0rm

garnetluvcookie wrote:
-snip-

They can change things.

Like what? What do you think they can change while still keeping scratch fairly the same?

Last edited by KittyFireSt0rm (June 20, 2020 14:03:46)

ThatOneWeirdDude

garnetluvcookie wrote:
mrCamelCase wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
mrCamelCase wrote:
-snip-

Unfortunately, this is out of the ST's control. I have no idea what exactly Apple based their decision on, and I agree that in an ideal world, there would be a Scratch App for iOS. However, Apple is the ultimate authority when it comes to their app store, so if they say no, that's it. It's a no.
They can always re-apply.

If the app is unchanged it will have the same result.

They can change things.

So basically they would have to remove all coding since they aren't allowed to let users execute code?

garnetluvcookie

KittyFireSt0rm wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
-snip-

They can change things.

Like what? What do you think they can change while still keeping scratch fairly the same?

Take away the sharing from the app, but the user can download the project and share it from there, similar to the PC/MAC offline editor.

Last edited by garnetluvcookie (June 20, 2020 14:07:12)

ThatOneWeirdDude

garnetluvcookie wrote:
KittyFireSt0rm wrote:
garnetluvcookie wrote:
-snip-

They can change things.

Like what? What do you think they can change while still keeping scratch fairly the same?

Take away the sharing from the app, but the user can download the project and share it from there, similar to the PC/MAC offline editor.

Again, apple says that the user isn't even allowed to run code, so basically you want to remove the editor?

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